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Abort Or Not Abort
- Thread starter Jazzy
- Start date
Abort.
Because legally it's MY choice to continue or terminate any pregnancy, whether there's a problem with the fetus, or not.
My person personal reasons for making the choice? My uncle (my father's brother) was born with Down Syndrome and lived 'til into his 50s, long after my grandfather (his primary caregiver) died; I've witnessed, first-hand, how much more difficult life was for both him and his immediate family. Nowadays, with the current laws, medical advancements, and cost-of-living, there is no reason for me to deliberately choose to make things more difficult on myself AND the others I love.
That is MY choice and MY reasons for making MY choice, per the request as stated in the OP.
Because legally it's MY choice to continue or terminate any pregnancy, whether there's a problem with the fetus, or not.
My person personal reasons for making the choice? My uncle (my father's brother) was born with Down Syndrome and lived 'til into his 50s, long after my grandfather (his primary caregiver) died; I've witnessed, first-hand, how much more difficult life was for both him and his immediate family. Nowadays, with the current laws, medical advancements, and cost-of-living, there is no reason for me to deliberately choose to make things more difficult on myself AND the others I love.
That is MY choice and MY reasons for making MY choice, per the request as stated in the OP.
Well, it depends. The only way I would abort a baby is if it were discovered very early on and I had no means to care for it and didn't want to toss it into the foster care system, or if the baby would live a horribly painful life filled with medical treatments, surgeries, and downright miserable existence. If the child had any chance at living without pain and being happy, that's a different story.
So the question is to commit cold blooded murder or not to commit cold blooded murder to a human life.
TRUE LIBERTY said:
No, that wasn't the question at all.
"Murder", and especially "cold blooded murder" [of humans] is illegal.
The topic is "abortion", which is NOT illegal...and is especially NOT illegal under the circumstance OP's presented.
And, Jazzy asked each of us what WE would do, so *sorry*...there's no right or wrong answer.
Unless, of course, you're going on record that you know me - and anyone else who posts a choice you don't like - better than WE know what we would do and why we would do it.
DO you know better than I do, what I would do? Have we even met?
mrldii said:
Nope! That was exactly the question. So I repeat the answer and so the question is to commit cold blooded murder or not to commit cold blooded murder to a human life. Murdering a woman in the middle east for almost any reason a man chooses is legal also but I still call it murder of a human being no less then one of those husbands killing there wife because she showed her face in public.
No to abortion as I will not allow myself to become a willing accessory to murder regardless of what the law says or what anyone's perception of murder is. Your perceptions or the perceptions of others does not govern the truths of reality as I see them. Yes, having a child with severe disabilities will be taxing, hard and require great sacrifice but if you truly love the child you are having with the woman/man you are with then you would welcome those sacrifices because you love the child unconditionally. To be willing to abort a child for the health problems it might or will have speaks to the conditions you placed upon your child before it's even born as to whether it will be loved or not.
Every child on this planet suffers in this life so there is no child you can have that goes without suffering. Sometimes that suffering is greater then others but it is still suffering. If anything, I find that suffering is a great builder of character. On the other hand, it's a lack of suffering that produces some of the most rotten people in this world as their lack of suffering produces a selfish, self centered, mindset. A mindset that asks " will this please me?" instead of asking " is what I am doing right?" Doing what's right is far more important then pleasing yourself and you will find it is very costly to do what is right which is why most rather hurt others because doing so pleases them then do what's right because it's easier to please yourself then to do what's right.
Every child on this planet suffers in this life so there is no child you can have that goes without suffering. Sometimes that suffering is greater then others but it is still suffering. If anything, I find that suffering is a great builder of character. On the other hand, it's a lack of suffering that produces some of the most rotten people in this world as their lack of suffering produces a selfish, self centered, mindset. A mindset that asks " will this please me?" instead of asking " is what I am doing right?" Doing what's right is far more important then pleasing yourself and you will find it is very costly to do what is right which is why most rather hurt others because doing so pleases them then do what's right because it's easier to please yourself then to do what's right.
I don't think you have met any. They are some of the happiest people I have ever met.
[font=pt_sansbold, arial, sans-serif]In Honor Of "World Down Syndrome Day" These People With Downs Dance To The Song "Happy"[/font]
http://m.wimp.com/downshappy/
[font=pt_sansbold, arial, sans-serif]In Honor Of "World Down Syndrome Day" These People With Downs Dance To The Song "Happy"[/font]
http://m.wimp.com/downshappy/
TRUE LIBERTY said:
Oh. So, you use a different browser...one which completely distorts what others write.
OK. Now that that's been resolved, I'm just going to not pay attention to anything you post, anywhere, anymore, because you're operating with faulty equipment which *unwittingly* sends you off on off-topic tangents.
Glad that mystery was cleared up, and I can now fully enjoy this site.
mrldii said:TRUE LIBERTY said:
Oh. So, you use a different browser...one which completely distorts what others write.
OK. Now that that's been resolved, I'm just going to not pay attention to anything you post, anywhere, anymore, because you're operating with faulty equipment which *unwittingly* sends you off on off-topic tangents.
Glad that mystery was cleared up, and I can now fully enjoy this site.
And no again. Just putting it bluntly what that title really means. MURDER! No less then if you went up to a loved one in your family put a gun to there head and pulled the trigger.
TRUE LIBERTY said:mrldii said:TRUE LIBERTY said:
Oh. So, you use a different browser...one which completely distorts what others write.
OK. Now that that's been resolved, I'm just going to not pay attention to anything you post, anywhere, anymore, because you're operating with faulty equipment which *unwittingly* sends you off on off-topic tangents.
Glad that mystery was cleared up, and I can now fully enjoy this site.
And no again. Just putting it bluntly what that title really means. MURDER! No less then if you went up to a loved one in your family put a gun to there head and pulled the trigger.
I agree that its a legal form of murder. But why can't people just choose adoption? There's plenty of people out there that want a child no matter if it is special or normal.
Richard said:TRUE LIBERTY said:mrldii said:TRUE LIBERTY said:
Oh. So, you use a different browser...one which completely distorts what others write.
OK. Now that that's been resolved, I'm just going to not pay attention to anything you post, anywhere, anymore, because you're operating with faulty equipment which *unwittingly* sends you off on off-topic tangents.
Glad that mystery was cleared up, and I can now fully enjoy this site.
And no again. Just putting it bluntly what that title really means. MURDER! No less then if you went up to a loved one in your family put a gun to there head and pulled the trigger.
I agree that its a legal form of murder. But why can't people just choose adoption? There's plenty of people out there that want a child no matter if it is special or normal.
Adoption is always a option sure. But if they want to absolutely make sure they don't want to be a murderer the simplest way is to do something very, very simple. Wait for it! Wait for it! Do not have sex. Or the second option is not so simple. Wait for it! Wait for it! Take personal responsibility for your actions and do not murder a life.
Richard said:
Doesn't matter. The topic of this thread isn't 'The Great *A* Debate'; the topic is "Would you ___ if ____; explain why or why not."
YOU don't get to correct MY ____ or correct MY reasons for selecting ______, unless YOU know ME better than I know myself and therefore know I am lying.
Each of you are off-topic. And deliberately choosing to be off-topic to make this topic something it's not. You're soap-boxing. You're grand-standing. You're pontificating. You're deliberately being obtuse.
*Debate*, indeed.
mrldii said:
I already established in my first post the fact that I wouldn't abort no matter if the child was special or normal.
And you're mistaken. I quoted True Liberty..not you.
You're bitching at the wrong person and back seat moderating.
mrldii said:
Sure it is. It is asking if you would abort a human being that is not perfect. So it is 100% about abortion. You just do not like my answer.
You are doing the attempted correcting after I state my belief and then I am answering you on how I do not agree with you.
Not off topic you just dont like the answer to the subject. The subject is about killing a imperfect human being. And that question was answered.
Richard said:
Nahhhh...it's all there in black-and-white; you included MY posts in the string you quoted, thus including me - and inviting me - and dragging me - into the conversation.
'You' don't get to agree or disagree with my response in THIS thread unless 'you' know me better than I do and therefore 'you' know I'm lying when I say "I'd ____ if presented with ____ ,and this is why."
DO you know me better than I know me? If not, leave MY response to this thread OUT of your conversation(s). This is NOT 'The Great *A* Debate'; there is no such thing as debating another's answer as to what THEY would do in a given situation. You and I have never met...ergo, you have nothing TO base your side of the *debate* as to how/why/when I'm wrong in stating what I would do and why.
You're still soap-boxing. You're still grand-standing. You're still pontificating. And, you're still be even MORE deliberately obtuse, because you are still trying to turn this into The Great 'A' Debate, which it's not.
