Abortion?

[JimmysNetwork]

What's your opinion on Abortion? Do you think it should be legal, or Illegal?



I personally don't have a problem with it, but i mean i'm not all for it either.

 

[DrLeftover]

There is a reason you didn't see this on US media.

6 June 2013, 8:33
Researchers from Durham and Lancaster Universities say a foetus' ability to show pain through facial expressions is a developmental process which helps the unborn baby prepare for life after birth.

The research was carried out by creating scans of 15 healthy foetuses, and could give doctors another index of the health of an unborn baby.

The study showed a foetus is capable of making simple one-dimensional expressions at 24 weeks, such as the ability to move the lips to form a smile.

By the time a mother is 36 weeks into her pregnancy, a foetus can perform complex multi-dimensional expressions which can be recognised as showing pain.

http://web.orange.co.uk/article/news/unborn_babies_can_show_pain_in_the_womb?DCSext.panellinkpos=3&DCSext.panellink=Latest+News

 

[DrLeftover]

On its own, it has no potential for life outside the body.

 

[DrLeftover]

fascinating

 

[The Dragon Master]

I think abortion should be looked at through a case by case method. If a woman was raped and ended up conceiving a child through the circumstances but couldn't abort the child, due to abortion being illegal, it may cause significant stress on the mother during the pregnancy which may lead to a miscarriage or a mental breakdown. Which isn't fair on the woman who was forced to go through this ordeal. It could be argued that she could carry the child to term and then give it up for adoption, but the woman has to carry the child for 9 months, which is 9 months of being reminded of what she has been through. Where if she had the option of an abortion she might have come to terms with what she's been through and moved on. Or if it is found that the mother has a condition, or develops a condition, where either or both mother and child would die if the pregnancy was continued I could agree if the there was an abortion offered in an effort to save the mother's life, though it could be debatable on why save the mother and not the child.

As for the woman who have an abortion because they don't want children or won't carry the child to term due to not wanting to go through pregnancy or through contraceptives not being used/failing, I don't agree with them having the option to go through with abortions but then again there could be circumstances which may lead to the woman having to have the abortion.

Ain't sperm life too?

Sperm isn't life. It's a building block to make life but isn't life itself. It doesn't have the ability to sustain life outside a controlled environment.​

 

[DrLeftover]

Sperm is as much life as me and you, as well as ants, trees, plants and animals...

Would you please share your definition of Life?

 

[DrLeftover]

There was nothing in the Web MD pages that stated that sperm are an independent form of life.

the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death:

http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/life

Sperm cells, and indeed the egg as well, exist to complete one aspect of that list. And in doing so, they cease to exist as a separate entity. They do not grow, and their 'functional activity' is dedicated solely to their own destruction.

As far as the other aspects usually seen in these discussions, "consume nourishment" and so on, that does not happen once they leave the production area in the man's body.

I would argue that while sperm are 'alive' in the sense that a retro-virus is alive, it is not what would otherwise be labeled a "Life Form" such as your list that included insects and vegetation.

 

[Sinon]

That's not the point, life is life...

Using your philosophy, every time you jack off, you're committing murder. How many potential children have you flushed down the toilet or wiped off onto a towel?

Some people think it is just like people think killing unborn babies is murder... Every sperm could be a potential future Human Being just like a Fetus, no?

Mind you that all Fetuses aren't 100% to survive and / or to be born...

Only one sperm fertilizes the egg.

The rest die.

What's your point?

 

[DrLeftover]

Your argument is vapid.

There is no point to continuing this discussion.

 

[Sinon]

Fetuses die on their own too...

My point is if you're a lifer then be a lifer, not an half way lifer...

So what, you're a vegan who's against the death penalty, assisted suicide, war, etc?

All these things take lives.

If you're a lifer then be a lifer, not a halfway lifer.

 

[Sinon]

That's not the point, life is life...

Not in so many words, but this is hard to misconstrue.

 

[Sinon]

If you were going to play devil's advocate, you should say so first, instead of getting defensive when you're called on it >_>

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

I think the father should have a say. I had a girlfriend a couple years ago who got pregnant and had an abortion. She didnt tell me about it until months later. I would have liked to have had a say over it! That was my child too. Although I dont think I would have been able to afford taking care of another child.

 

[DrLeftover]

And these are college students.

Several students at George Mason University (GMU) signed a petition on Wednesday demanding lawmakers legalize “fourth trimester” abortions.

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4872

 

[McConnaughay]

Every sperm could be a potential future Human Being just like a Fetus, no?

If that's the case, I'm a real-life Freddy Krueger.

 

[Sinon]

Hold up. If masturbation is murder because it's killing off potential lives, does that mean I'm a murderer because every month my body tosses an egg out in the trash?

 

[DrLeftover]

I expect the "pro-abortion" crowd to defend this practice with reasonable and well thought out arguments.

Yes I do.

September 11, 2013

(CNN) -- The New Delhi rape case left the whole world wondering why India is treating its women so badly. In fact, discrimination against women already starts in the womb: India has some of the most distorted sex-ratios in the world. There are regions where fewer than 800 girls are born for every 1,000 boys. For many reasons Indian culture prefers sons. An expensive bride-price, or dowry, is only one of them.

So day-by-day, thousands of parents circumvent rarely enforced laws and have their baby daughters aborted after an ultrasound scan has revealed the sex of the fetus. It is estimated that India has been losing up to 12 million baby girls over the last three decades.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/11/opinion/india-missing-females/index.html?hpt=hp_t4


And so, proceed.

 

[DrLeftover]

And then this comes down the pike

13 Sep 2013

A bill that would allow non-physicians to perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy is awaiting signature by Gov. Jerry Brown of California by Sep. 30. The bill, AB 154, passed both houses of the state legislature with strong support from Planned Parenthood and pro-choice groups. Planned Parenthood stands to benefit most directly from the bill, as non-physician staff at its clinics would be able to obtain abortion licenses.

One doctor--who identified himself as pro-choice--told Breitbart News that "the bill is a disaster since it sends us back 100 years to the problems of the complications from back-steet abortions." The bill's critics warn that the training provided to non-physician staff is weak, that supervision by physicians in clinics will be minimal, and that there is real risk of injury or death to women who will be treated in such conditions.

with video report:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/13/Gov-Brown-to-Sign-Bill-Legalizing-Non-Physician-Abortions-in-CA

 

[DrLeftover]

Abortion supporters should be rejoicing.

Historically, whatever happens in the UK eventually comes to the US

07 Oct 2013

Guidance issued by The British Medical Association (BMA) advised doctors that "there may be circumstances, in which termination of pregnancy on grounds of fetal sex would be lawful".

The disclosure is expected to spark fury among dozens of MPs who have criticised the medical establishment for seeking to redefine abortion laws.

Keir Starmer, the Director of Public Prosecutions, today publishes a detailed memorandum explaining the controversial decision by the Crown Prosecution Service not to prosecute two doctors who agreed to arrange illegal abortions based on the sex of an unborn baby.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10360386/Law-does-not-prohibit-sex-selection-abortions-DPP-warns.html

 

[DrLeftover]

And then this comes down the pike

13 Sep 2013

A bill that would allow non-physicians to perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy is awaiting signature by Gov. Jerry Brown of California by Sep. 30. The bill, AB 154, passed both houses of the state legislature with strong support from Planned Parenthood and pro-choice groups. Planned Parenthood stands to benefit most directly from the bill, as non-physician staff at its clinics would be able to obtain abortion licenses.

One doctor--who identified himself as pro-choice--told Breitbart News that "the bill is a disaster since it sends us back 100 years to the problems of the complications from back-steet abortions." The bill's critics warn that the training provided to non-physician staff is weak, that supervision by physicians in clinics will be minimal, and that there is real risk of injury or death to women who will be treated in such conditions.

with video report:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/13/Gov-Brown-to-Sign-Bill-Legalizing-Non-Physician-Abortions-in-CA

Has now been signed into law
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/09/California-s-Brown-Signs-Bill-Permitting-Non-Physician-Abortions