Fake Democracy

[Sinon]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

 

[Naiwen]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

And you're just hurt over a personal opinion, I'm not. XD (I'm doing that to defend my viewpoints, ever heard of that...)? even facts are perspectives/controversies, lol. For example, one person can point out that there is "true democracy" and the other can say there isn't by pointing out counter-examples of that, these "counter-examples" are also counter-facts.

 

[Sinon]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

And you're just hurt over a personal opinion. XD (I'm doing that to defend my viewpoints, ever heard of that...)? even facts are perspectives/controversies, lol. For example, one person can point out that there is "true democracy" and the other can say there isn't.

Okay. Provide proof that I'm hurt. I seem to recall asking for proof of things in other threads, and you failed to deliver. So I don't expect much.

There's a difference between defending a viewpoint, and arguing it effectively. Facts aren't perspectives at all, they are indisputable truths. Sure, you can believe a fact isn't true, but that doesn't make the fact itself a perspective. The fact is the fact, whether you choose to believe it or not is the perspective.

Just half the things you say make no sense, seriously.

 

[Naiwen]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

And you're just hurt over a personal opinion. XD (I'm doing that to defend my viewpoints, ever heard of that...)? even facts are perspectives/controversies, lol. For example, one person can point out that there is "true democracy" and the other can say there isn't.

Okay. Provide proof that I'm hurt. I seem to recall asking for proof of things in other threads, and you failed to deliver. So I don't expect much.

There's a difference between defending a viewpoint, and arguing it effectively. Facts aren't perspectives at all, they are indisputable truths. Sure, you can believe a fact isn't true, but that doesn't make the fact itself a perspective. The fact is the fact, whether you choose to believe it or not is the perspective.

Just half the things you say make no sense, seriously.

And you called me dumb for "having an opinion", twice and many times over. Proves you're hurt over it. And said I was wrong to have an opinion on democracy, which is really less smarter than me because I can have any opinion on anything.
Oh no, facts can be forged...every heard of myths (facts that are made-up, like God, hell/heaven, the apocalypse)? Because democracy, like any other ideology is a myth for me, so made-up facts to conspire against us, humans. And ignoring someone because you don't agree with him/her, wow...

 

[Sinon]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

And you're just hurt over a personal opinion. XD (I'm doing that to defend my viewpoints, ever heard of that...)? even facts are perspectives/controversies, lol. For example, one person can point out that there is "true democracy" and the other can say there isn't.

Okay. Provide proof that I'm hurt. I seem to recall asking for proof of things in other threads, and you failed to deliver. So I don't expect much.

There's a difference between defending a viewpoint, and arguing it effectively. Facts aren't perspectives at all, they are indisputable truths. Sure, you can believe a fact isn't true, but that doesn't make the fact itself a perspective. The fact is the fact, whether you choose to believe it or not is the perspective.

Just half the things you say make no sense, seriously.

And you called me dumb for "having an opinion", twice and many times over. Proves you're hurt over it. And said I was wrong to have an opinion on democracy, which is really less smarter than me because I can have any opinion on anything.
Oh no, facts can be forged...every heard of myths (facts that are made-up, like God, hell/heaven, the apocalypse)? Because democracy, like any other ideology is a myth for me, so made-up facts to conspire against us, humans.

myth
mɪθ/
noun
noun: myth; plural noun: myths

1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events

Again, you're not quite picking up on the whole idea of using words in their right places, which effectively trips up your argument before it even gets off the ground. Calling you dumb doesn't mean I'm hurt; it means I think you're an idiot. The same way I think David Beckham and Wayne Rooney are idiots. Nothing they've done has harmed me, I just think they're morons.

Democracy isn't a myth, it does exist. Whether it's pure or corrupt is a different argument entirely, but it does indeed exist.

 

[Naiwen]

Your opinion is wrong because you're using the argument incorrectly, lol. Fake doesn't mean what you're using it to mean, so please try learning what you want to say first.

If nothing else this thread clearly shows why so many are deceived by politicians. They confuse dreams with reality...

Yep exactly, you got my point. Even some people are believing these lies now... by them (the politicians) and will simply defend something that doesn't exist and fanatically believing in it.

The opposite can easily be said of you. You're such a screwball conspiracy theory fanatic, none of the things you say are balanced or objective at all. Your arguments are generally irrational and unsupported by factual evidence (and no, a message someone sent you on Youtube doesn't constitute factual evidence) so, yeah.

You're just as defensive, even moreso.

And you're just hurt over a personal opinion. XD (I'm doing that to defend my viewpoints, ever heard of that...)? even facts are perspectives/controversies, lol. For example, one person can point out that there is "true democracy" and the other can say there isn't.

Okay. Provide proof that I'm hurt. I seem to recall asking for proof of things in other threads, and you failed to deliver. So I don't expect much.

There's a difference between defending a viewpoint, and arguing it effectively. Facts aren't perspectives at all, they are indisputable truths. Sure, you can believe a fact isn't true, but that doesn't make the fact itself a perspective. The fact is the fact, whether you choose to believe it or not is the perspective.

Just half the things you say make no sense, seriously.

And you called me dumb for "having an opinion", twice and many times over. Proves you're hurt over it. And said I was wrong to have an opinion on democracy, which is really less smarter than me because I can have any opinion on anything.
Oh no, facts can be forged...every heard of myths (facts that are made-up, like God, hell/heaven, the apocalypse)? Because democracy, like any other ideology is a myth for me, so made-up facts to conspire against us, humans.

myth
mɪθ/
noun
noun: myth; plural noun: myths

1.
a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events

Again, you're not quite picking up on the whole idea of using words in their right places, which effectively trips up your argument before it even gets off the ground. Calling you dumb doesn't mean I'm hurt; it means I think you're an idiot. The same way I think David Beckham and Wayne Rooney are idiots. Nothing they've done has harmed me, I just think they're morons.

Democracy isn't a myth, it does exist. Whether it's pure or corrupt is a different argument entirely, but it does indeed exist.

And democracy is indeed a "social phenomenon", therefore could be a myth. Why? Observed by humans... and defined by humans... XD But I don't believe it exists in its purest form. And did you know? History could be myths too eh?

No, because you can't argue with someone who disagrees with you, simple as that, so you'd rather think of them as "idiots", because you can't think for yourself, so you'd rather not think at all, and you'd rather ignore me because you don't like to think. But yes, ignore me and I'll be ignoring you.

 

[Naiwen]

Okay, lets not attack each other...

Also, a fact can be a fact without evidence, if a fact cannot be proven at all or to your liking doesn't mean the fact is a fact...

Also, facts can be false too... Or theocratic facts until proven to be true or not... And even then can be wrong... It's a fact that humans get "facts" wrong over and over again...

Calling people a nutjob or a conspiracy theorists just because you disagree with the person is not good debating... Also, to try to put one down someone by calling them such ain't making you look good, just trying to make the conspiracy and theories realm look like a joke which it ain't... Conspiracies are real and humans need theory, especially for science, what do you think most science, if not all science is?

To the original question, Democratic governments are corrupted with outside influence and with greed, therefore democracy can be real and fake...

Yes indeed and do you think it exists in it's purest form in today's world...? I don't think so, no. Now, do you?

 

[Naiwen]

Well, the united states government changed over and over again since the creation of the constitution, of what type of government USA is... Or perhaps what the USA should be...

USA ain't true Democratic government and it's fair to say that a lot of Americans don't want a democracy type government, which turns into socialism and progressiveness, which people think it's bad and not to their liking...

However, all types or forms if government ain't perfect, especially because it wont please everyone...

And it can't please everyone in a place...

 

[Naiwen]

I'm misspelling words and you're replying faster then I can edit and correct the mistake(s)...

doesn't matter, anyways... as I was saying: democracy and all other political, social ideologies are ideals by us Humans to fool us Humans, if you think about it huh?

 

[DrLeftover]

So, Ashera.

What form of government is "real" in your view?

 

[Naiwen]

As I said, none. All made by humans.

 

[Beasty]

A Democratic Minarchism.

 

[Naiwen]

A Democratic Minarchism.

Yup.

 

[DrLeftover]

As I said, none. All made by humans.

So, by extension, Nothing made by humans is real.

Correct?

And a Minarchist state is a fine idea, but as far as I know, it had never existed for any significant period of time in the real world.

For those that don't know, take the "Nanny-State" the US is fast becoming, and set your dial to the almost exact opposite.

 

[Naiwen]

As I said, none. All made by humans.

So, by extension, Nothing made by humans is real.

Correct?

And a Minarchist state is a fine idea, but as far as I know, it had never existed for any significant period of time in the real world.

For those that don't know, take the "Nanny-State" the US is fast becoming, and set your dial to the almost exact opposite.

Yep...

So it's always democracy mixed with something else... pure democracy, in it's original form doesn't really exist (for the people to decide only), in my very humble opinion, of course, so what we have in most "democratical" countries, is a "fake" democracy.

 

[Bluezone777]

And no every political regime is fake.... since it's made by humans.

What do you mean fake?

Made by humans, thus an illusion and thus fake.

Sorry but I do not follow your logic!?
Why do you say that something made by humans is an illusion and thus fake!?

Because it's made by mankind... so it's only in our "imagination". Especially stuff like ideologies. Ideologies are fake and only "imaginary", so "imagined" by humans, thus fake and an illusion also.
And democracy is an ideology, such like totalitarianism/utopia and etc.

By your logic, you are in fact an illusion and fake as you were the creation of two humans(parents). lol

That is unless I missed something somewhere. XD

 

[Beasty]

As I said, none. All made by humans.

So, by extension, Nothing made by humans is real.

Correct?

And a Minarchist state is a fine idea, but as far as I know, it had never existed for any significant period of time in the real world.

For those that don't know, take the "Nanny-State" the US is fast becoming, and set your dial to the almost exact opposite.

That's just because no Government would want to limit it's own power. If there was a concentrated effort by founders and people alike to design a systematic limitation of such a government, then hypothetically that government wouldn't be allowed to grow bigger than itself.

Of course, such a design has never been implemented because it requires participation of citizens and like I said before, no establishing gov. want's limited power.