no, criticizing israel is not antisemitic

[+paradox]

all of your arguments is that israel seems to have more rights for their people than other countries with theirs, yet you constantly try to compare israel with the rest of the middle east is not a legitimate stance, we aren't talking about any other "country" but israel, so leave others out of it...

By most standards, Israel does have more rights & freedoms than any of its' neighbors; just go over there and ask any Israeli Arab that and see what they tell you... ..there's also the simple, inexorable fact that compared to the rest of the Middle East, Israel is indeed far more free than any of its' neighbors; for instance, imagine having this convo. between us, Freezy, in any other Middle Eastern country...
you're being just like liberty, trying to change the subject and trying to bring the rest of the world into a subject that's solely about one country... so none of what you say has any real points on the subject matter...

a fact, israel is not a free "country"...
a fact, israel is a liberal and socialist "country"...

A non-sequitur; all countries have elements of socialism in them; just look at the U.S. and Social Security, for instance.
exactly, but people like liberty will try to make it out that programs like social security is not a socialism idea/program, which in fact it is... try to convince him not me... but that has nothing to do with israel not being a democracy, other factors are to blame... israel is more of a fascist/dictator nation than anything else...

a fact, israel is a dictatorship...
a fact, israel is not a democracy...

If Israel's a dictatorship, the standards for dictatorships have really gone-off-the-rairs then....I guess by that comparison, countries such as Lebanon must be idyllic paradises then, huh?
by forcing the majority of it's people to serve their military regime and to stay in their military regime until practically the rest of their lives... yes, that's basically a fascist/dictatorship... and will you guys stop bring up or comparing israel to other countries as it holds no real argument in this subject, as this topic is just for israel, nobody else...

a fact, israel portrays to be a free and a democratic "country" to gain support, but they have much blood on their hands to fool most of the world that doesn't follow the zionist media's bull shit and propaganda...

And a lot of that blood was visited upon them by their neighbors, so you can drop that line of bullshit right now, my friend...
that's not even true, israeli military and mossad agents have killed more arab people than otherwise, especially in their 7 day war when they aggressively attacked, 4 countries unprovoked...

at least the islamic extremists/terrorists don't try to deceive/cover-up their evil and wrong-doings like israel and it's zionist generals does...

*deadpans* No, the Islamofascists just go around raping, pillaging and murdering anyone who disagrees with them and their apocalyptic vision of the world...nice try, though.
and israel have done the same thing, as well as any other people on this earth when they went to war with other people/countries, including america and britian...

 

[Webster]

*looks over towards Freezy* ...wait, wait, wait...did you just compare me to Liberty?

 

[identityissues8]

I love the Liberty, Webster cheerlead party going on here.
I guess one major difference though is that Webster can at least string a coherent post together.

As for this thread itself. Gosh, I really don't see how anyone can say Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Oh, oh - and to say they have freedom of religion and freedom of press? Are you out of your fucking mind!
Yes, the state that murdered 17 journalists just last year respects the freedom of the press. They are friends of the press sure...Only certain branches of the press, though...If ya get me. But, it's the sort of drivel you guys listen to ANYWAY.

You guys wouldn't know shit about the Middle East, honestly. And through the barrage of ignorant comments you're proving it all the more.

Tell me - did Palestine itself not democratically elect their leaders?
Wait...I doubt you'd even know. You still think the Palestinians merely existing in their homeland counts as them being 'aggressors' and that them TRYING to exercise their right to resist with poorly made bottle rockets and stones against world class artillery (of Israel) is them attacking Israel.

Hello, schools and hospitals are being carpet bombed.
White phosphorus is being used.
Water to civilians is being cut off.
Power is being cut off, in an effort to kill newborns from exposure of the winter. And it worked.

You support this.
You're clearly one or all of the following; ignorant, stupid or sociopathic.
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These will never be your children, and because of that you couldn't give a shit.

What kind of human beings are you?

Spoiler

This isn't about Hamas. This isn't about 'terrorism'.
This is about eradicating a population.

It's unfortunate and pathetic you're not smart enough to see that, or empathetic enough to even care.
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Sorry. Perhaps I'm being overly emotional.
I'm sorry if I was offensive.

But for fuck's sake...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I love the Liberty, Webster cheerlead party going on here.
I guess one major difference though is that Webster can at least string a coherent post together.

As for this thread itself. Gosh, I really don't see how anyone can say Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Oh, oh - and to say they have freedom of religion and freedom of press? Are you out of your fucking mind!
Yes, the state that murdered 17 journalists just last year respects the freedom of the press. They are friends of the press sure...Only certain branches of the press, though...If ya get me. But, it's the sort of drivel you guys listen to ANYWAY.

You guys wouldn't know shit about the Middle East, honestly. And through the barrage of ignorant comments you're proving it all the more.

Tell me - did Palestine itself not democratically elect their leaders?
Wait...I doubt you'd even know. You still think the Palestinians merely existing in their homeland counts as them being 'aggressors' and that them TRYING to exercise their right to resist with poorly made bottle rockets and stones against world class artillery (of Israel) is them attacking Israel.

Hello, schools and hospitals are being carpet bombed.
White phosphorus is being used.
Water to civilians is being cut off.
Power is being cut off, in an effort to kill newborns from exposure of the winter. And it worked.

You support this.
You're clearly one or all of the following; ignorant, stupid or sociopathic.

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These will never be your children, and because of that you couldn't give a shit.

What kind of human beings are you?

Spoiler

This isn't about Hamas. This isn't about 'terrorism'.
This is about eradicating a population.

It's unfortunate and pathetic you're not smart enough to see that, or empathetic enough to even care.

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Sorry. Perhaps I'm being overly emotional.
I'm sorry if I was offensive.

But for fuck's sake...

Little hard, no very hard to call Palestine's election a free election when Hamas is out there threatening the people how to vote and shooting people of even being suspected of not towing the radical terrorist line in the streets to make examples of them.


Any other countries in that region you might want to say have real free elections?


There would be nothing to resist if they stepped up and kicked out the very terrorists causing Israel to attack back harshly. All this violence would end today. And the rockets are far more then just bottle rockets so do not try and play that game of misinformation.

 

[Kirito]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

 

[Webster]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

...pretty much, Kirito.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

It is not pretty much justified it is justified because the Palestinians want no peace and will except no peace. Plus Hamas is doing no less unspeakable acts then Israel. And these Palestinians are just abandoned refugees from the 6 day war started by the middle east countries in the region and when they got there ass kicked they promised in there surrender they would also provide land for these refugees created from the war. Well we know that promise was not kept.

 

[+paradox]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

It is not pretty much justified it is justified because the Palestinians want no peace and will except no peace. Plus Hamas is doing no less unspeakable acts then Israel. And these Palestinians are just abandoned refugees from the 6 day war started by the middle east countries in the region and when they got there ass kicked they promised in there surrender they would also provide land for these refugees created from the war. Well we know that promise was not kept.

israel were the killers from the start, stop getting it twisted with your bs @liberty...

israel is the one that don't want peace because they will not do the right thing and leave the land that they illegally TOOK FROM OTHERS!

what would you do @liberty if i come to your house and force you out, you wouldn't try to get your house back? even if i told you that it's not yours anymore and you should just deal with it and live in peace and just like it...

 

[Kirito]

There's no reasoning with a man who thinks it's OK to bomb schools and hospitals. I suggest you spend your time on something more useful identityissues and freezy.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

It is not pretty much justified it is justified because the Palestinians want no peace and will except no peace. Plus Hamas is doing no less unspeakable acts then Israel. And these Palestinians are just abandoned refugees from the 6 day war started by the middle east countries in the region and when they got there ass kicked they promised in there surrender they would also provide land for these refugees created from the war. Well we know that promise was not kept.

israel were the killers from the start, stop getting it twisted with your bs @liberty...

israel is the one that don't want peace because they will not do the right thing and leave the land that they illegally TOOK FROM OTHERS!

what would you do @liberty if i come to your house and force you out, you wouldn't try to get your house back? even if i told you that it's not yours anymore and you should just deal with it and live in peace and just like it...

What I would do does not matter because what you say is not true and worse.
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There's no reasoning with a man who thinks it's OK to bomb schools and hospitals. I suggest you spend your time on something more useful identityissues and freezy.

No I think it is okay to win a war at Amy cost after decades of attempting peace but then Israeli citizens keep dying. It is Hamas that specifically targets software targets like that not Israel.

 

[+paradox]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

It is not pretty much justified it is justified because the Palestinians want no peace and will except no peace. Plus Hamas is doing no less unspeakable acts then Israel. And these Palestinians are just abandoned refugees from the 6 day war started by the middle east countries in the region and when they got there ass kicked they promised in there surrender they would also provide land for these refugees created from the war. Well we know that promise was not kept.

israel were the killers from the start, stop getting it twisted with your bs @liberty...

israel is the one that don't want peace because they will not do the right thing and leave the land that they illegally TOOK FROM OTHERS!

what would you do @liberty if i come to your house and force you out, you wouldn't try to get your house back? even if i told you that it's not yours anymore and you should just deal with it and live in peace and just like it...

What I would do does not  matter because what you say is not true and worse.


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There's no reasoning with a man who thinks it's OK to bomb schools and hospitals. I suggest you spend your time on something more useful identityissues and freezy.

No I think it is okay to win a war at Amy cost after decades of attempting peace but then Israeli citizens keep dying. It is Hamas that specifically targets software targets like that not Israel.

but it is true and it's not my fault you can't see through the smoke and mirrors of donkey pooh...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lemme get this straight, all these war crimes are in your opinion justified because Israel is a democracy? It's OK to kill off a whole population based on who had free elections and who didn't?

It is not pretty much justified it is justified because the Palestinians want no peace and will except no peace. Plus Hamas is doing no less unspeakable acts then Israel. And these Palestinians are just abandoned refugees from the 6 day war started by the middle east countries in the region and when they got there ass kicked they promised in there surrender they would also provide land for these refugees created from the war. Well we know that promise was not kept.

israel were the killers from the start, stop getting it twisted with your bs @liberty...

israel is the one that don't want peace because they will not do the right thing and leave the land that they illegally TOOK FROM OTHERS!

what would you do @liberty if i come to your house and force you out, you wouldn't try to get your house back? even if i told you that it's not yours anymore and you should just deal with it and live in peace and just like it...

What I would do does not  matter because what you say is not true and worse.



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There's no reasoning with a man who thinks it's OK to bomb schools and hospitals. I suggest you spend your time on something more useful identityissues and freezy.

No I think it is okay to win a war at Amy cost after decades of attempting peace but then Israeli citizens keep dying. It is Hamas that specifically targets software targets like that not Israel.

but it is true and it's not my fault you can't see through the smoke and mirrors of donkey pooh...

Nothing I find when it comes to Israel that you have shown any real facts.

 

[+paradox]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

 

[+paradox]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...  

But I have in past discussions.

Have never said any such thing that liberty never got hit.

 

[+paradox]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...  

But I have in past discussions.

Have never said any such thing that liberty never got hit.

oh, my apologies, i thought you just told me that i were wrong on *all* accounts...

which is it, you're starting to confuse yourself now or something?

and i also remember you saying that israel attacking the u.s.s. liberty was just an accident even though the u.s.a. said that it was not even close to be an accident, it was deliberate and a planed operation of the israel's zionist generals...

see, you can't even keep your stories straight...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...  

But I have in past discussions.

Have never said any such thing that liberty never got hit.

oh, my apologies, i thought you just told me that i were wrong on *all* accounts...

which is it, you're starting to confuse yourself now or something?

and i also remember you saying that israel attacking the u.s.s. liberty was just an accident even though the u.s.a. said that it was not even close to be an accident, it was deliberate and a planed operation of the israel's zionist generals...

see, you can't even keep your stories straight...

You always give me a good laugh in the morning.

 

[+paradox]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...  

But I have in past discussions.

Have never said any such thing that liberty never got hit.

oh, my apologies, i thought you just told me that i were wrong on *all* accounts...

which is it, you're starting to confuse yourself now or something?

and i also remember you saying that israel attacking the u.s.s. liberty was just an accident even though the u.s.a. said that it was not even close to be an accident, it was deliberate and a planed operation of the israel's zionist generals...

see, you can't even keep your stories straight...

You always give me a good laugh in the morning.

it's not me that makes you laugh, it's the truth that makes you laugh because people don't accept truth when it goes against them... they go in denial mode...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

because you ignore it...

for an example, you think israel attack on the u.s.s. liberty was an "accident" when clearly it wasn't, and it's been proven that it wasn't...

but yet in your glossy eyes, you think something else other than the truth...

it's not my fault that you go against the truth on matters such as this...

I do not ignore it you are just wrong on all accounts.

you haven't proved anything i said to be false, you just say that i'm wrong...

so, i guess in your thought or history, israel never attacked the u.s.s. liberty...

good job there...  

But I have in past discussions.

Have never said any such thing that liberty never got hit.

oh, my apologies, i thought you just told me that i were wrong on *all* accounts...

which is it, you're starting to confuse yourself now or something?

and i also remember you saying that israel attacking the u.s.s. liberty was just an accident even though the u.s.a. said that it was not even close to be an accident, it was deliberate and a planed operation of the israel's zionist generals...

see, you can't even keep your stories straight...

You always give me a good laugh in the morning.

it's not me that makes you laugh, it's the truth that makes you laugh because people don't accept truth when it goes against them... they go in denial mode...  

No it is you that makes me laugh. Waiting on the truth thing.