Conjugal Visits

[Jazzy]

A conjugal visit is a scheduled extended visit during which an inmate of a prison is permitted to spend several hours or days in private, usually with a legal spouse. While the parties may engage in sexual intercourse, the generally recognized basis for permitting such a visit in modern times is to preserve family bonds and increase the chances of success for a prisoner's eventual return to life outside prison. The visit will usually take place in a structure provided for that purpose, usually a caravan, but sometimes a trailer or small cabin. Supplies such as soap, condoms, tissues, sheets, pillows, and towels may be provided.



Do you think prisioners deserve to have conjugal visits? Why or why not?

 

[McConnaughay]

It depends truly on what the crime is to be perfectly honest, as Jay said, if it's somebody that killed someone than I'm not for it, but for somebody that maybe robbed a bank because he needed the money, and didn't hurt anybody in the process, or anything not too bad than it seems to me like it'll assist the ability of that person being rehabilitated and ready to return to society.

 

[Chatsie]

I think I agree with what Orion said.



I don't think murderers, or child molesters and rapists should be allowed these visits.

 

[beowulf]

absolutly not



people are in prison to be punished for a crime they have committed............as far as im concerned they should have no rights, no luxeries, and should be doing hard time so they learn the errors of their ways, and that dosnt matter if they are in for murder or a parking ticket!



we should think more about the victims of crimes not the perpetrator

 

[Jazzy]

it seems to me like it'll assist the ability of that person being rehabilitated and ready to return to society.

Can you please explain to me how conjugal visits assist the ability of that person being rehabilitated and ready to return to society?

 

[DrLeftover]

I still want to know who first thought that this was a good idea.



It is PRISON, not Summer Camp.

 

[Temerit]

people are in prison to be punished for a crime they have committed............as far as im concerned they should have no rights, no luxeries, and should be doing hard time so they learn the errors of their ways, and that dosnt matter if they are in for murder or a parking ticket!

You don't think that will make them bitter towards society and more likely to commit a mass murder + suicide once out?

 

[beowulf]

perhaps society is bitter at them becouse they have committed a crime for which they have been sent to jail as a punishment



do the crime, serve the time

 

[McConnaughay]

Can you please explain to me how conjugal visits assist the ability of that person being rehabilitated and ready to return to society?

Conjugal visits can quite possibly provide an environment similar to that of current society, and assuming that it's supervised, it'll be a rather peachy experience and thus it will showcase to them more appropriate behavior that they can get into a routine of continuing. Oh, and DrLeftOver, it most certainly is prison, but you have to think about the people that got in there out of doing something for desperation to survive in this world, or who were unable to pay bills, hence why I said it's not appropriate for somebody that was a murderer or anything like that.

 

[DrLeftover]

Orion. It isn't that I disagree with you for no reason. I simply know better.



Yes, there are some who are in for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, they had the wrong friends, they were stupid, the cops arrested and charged and the court convicted the wrong guy, whatever. But you'd be lucky if all of those together added up to twenty percent of the TOTAL inmate population including those on parole, conditional release, supervised custody and all of that.



But the majority of them are criminals. They are not bitter against society, they are not oppressed, they are simply bad guys, and if you let them out tomorrow, by next Tuesday they'd be back doing the same things again, if it took them that long.



And I'm not saying that just to be argumentative or an asshole or whatever, that is what, and who, I saw working in the State Prison system here for ten years. Everywhere from Minimum Security/ Work Release where they had one foot already out the door to MSU / Death Row, and yes, some of those I knew were executed for their crimes.

 

[McConnaughay]

But that's exactly what you come across as doing (being argumentative), it doesn't matter if you worked at the State Prison System in your area for ten years or one-hundred, your area doesn't represent every other area, thus you don't have right to proclaim that not even twenty percent are there because they needed to support their families, or for reasons not of harshness. You have no right to say that you know better when there's no reason to believe that you do and what about those twenty-percenters? Those are the guys that I'm arguing for not the other way around, they are what makes conjugal visits justifiable in my opinion, are they not? You can't work off of assumption, which is not something that I'm doing, but you can only work on fact and the fact of the matter is that neither of us and provide a clear representation of who is in there just-worthily and who isn't, but what we do know is a fact is that there IS some that are in there for debatable and harmless antics. Those are who I'm debating for, I never fought for the criminals, I fought for those twenty-percenters.

 

[Jazzy]

Due to the economy and government, these people have no choice but to do something.

Why are you blaming the economy and government for these people winding up in prison? They have no choice? That's a bunch of crap. Did the economy or government hold a gun to their heads while they chose to commit the crimes they have? If your theory is correct that it's the economy and govenment to blame, there wouldn't be enough prisons in the world to hold all the people who are suffering.

 

[Jazzy]

Conjugal visits can quite possibly provide an environment similar to that of current society, and assuming that it's supervised, it'll be a rather peachy experience and thus it will showcase to them more appropriate behavior that they can get into a routine of continuing. Oh, and DrLeftOver, it most certainly is prison, but you have to think about the people that got in there out of doing something for desperation to survive in this world, or who were unable to pay bills, hence why I said it's not appropriate for somebody that was a murderer or anything like that.

Did you ever stop to think about who's paying for their sex visits? If you haven't I can tell you. It's hard working taxpayers (like myself) who can barely afford to keep themselves afloat. You think it's fair that a taxpayer is paying for prison sex?

 

[McConnaughay]

Did you ever stop to think about who's paying for their sex visits? If you haven't I can tell you. It's hard working taxpayers (like myself) who can barely afford to keep themselves afloat. You think it's fair that a taxpayer is paying for prison sex?

That's an entirely different issue to attend to, and I've never touched on the money aspect of it. The question was whether or not I think it's right, and I said yes, for people that haven't committed heinous crimes. The question was not, do you think that taxpayers should have to pay for Conjugal visits, you might say that they go hand and hand, perhaps they do, but it's not something I have discussed yet. As far as your question as to how the government is at fault, yes, they didn't put a gun up to somebodies head and make them commit crimes, but something else might as well have. As the economy declines, and jobs become limited, numerous are forced to scurry looking for work. Some are able to survive however, others that don't begin to feel boxed in and coated in absolute desperation which could provoke for them to stoop to prostitution or drug-dealing.

 

[Jazzy]

That's an entirely different issue to attend to, and I've never touched on the money aspect of it. The question was whether or not I think it's right, and I said yes, for people that haven't committed heinous crimes. The question was not, do you think that taxpayers should have to pay for Conjugal visits, you might say that they go hand and hand, perhaps they do, but it's not something I have discussed yet.

Let's then discuss taxpayers money and get back to the original OP question. Taxpayers are paying for food, clothing and shelter. On top of that we are now paying for supplies such as soap, condoms, tissues, sheets, pillows, and towels for congugal visits. Do you still think prisioners deserve conjugal visits?

 

[McConnaughay]

Let's then discuss taxpayers money and get back to the original OP question. Taxpayers are paying for food, clothing and shelter. On top of that we are now paying for supplies such as soap, condoms, tissues, sheets, pillows, and towels for congugal visits. Do you still think prisioners deserve conjugal visits?

If we weren't getting some of the money from our paychecks taking away for Conjugal Visits, we'd be getting it taken away for something else and than some, that's realistic thinking. Do I think that prisoners deserve conjugal visits, yes, my feelings on this still exist but asking whether or not I feel it should be taken away from our checks is a different story and irrelevant.

 

[DrLeftover]

For the record. Most Conjugual visits are only allowed for those doing big time. Which means Felons. Go look it up.





And you say I have no right to speak to the issue. Fine. OK. I don't.



I have EXACTLY the same right you do to speak to the issue.

 

[McConnaughay]

For the record. Most Conjugual visits are only allowed for those doing big time. Which means Felons. Go look it up.





And you say I have no right to speak to the issue. Fine. OK. I don't.



I have EXACTLY the same right you do to speak to the issue.

I never said that you didn't have a right to speak on the issue, misquoting is one thing but immaturely antagonizing is the other. I said that you didn't have right to proclaim to know better than me just because of your occupation because the people in your region aren't honest representation of other regions. You seem to be misunderstanding me, I support Conjugal Visits for those that haven't committed crimes so the point you're trying to make that most visits are for those in the big time is irrelevant, I'm not fighting for them.

 

[DrLeftover]

the REAL root of the debt problem, which is the FED and the Federal Reserve system & the IRS

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They're watching you and know you said that.

 

[McConnaughay]

I have difficulty understanding how people can so relentlessly bash the government, but that's a discussion for another time.