GERMAN NEWS: Co-Pilot of Germanwings Airbus Was MUSLIM CONVERT’Hero of Islamic State?

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You know what the really strange part is, Dee? Even Fox News has said from their reports that there's no Islamist link to this plane crash...and for all the years that I was a progressive, Dee, one thing I always knew in those near 2 decades of progressivism was that, if there had been such a link to radical Islam present, they would've mentioned it by now; the fact that they've not mentioned such a link either means that, (a)they're also covering up something or (b)Liberty's wrong on this one and there is no link.

Dee is clearly not reading my posts thoroughly. I have said constantly it could very well be something else. But if it is then just report all the news about him. And FOX also did not mention MANY left wing nut cases over the years that have shot up politicians to school children.

 

[Dee]

Dee is clearly not reading my posts thoroughly. I have said constantly it could very well be something else. But if it is then just report all the news about him. And FOX also did not mention MANY left wing nut cases over the years that have shot up politicians to school children.

I am very clearly reading your posts. Yes, I do see that you're claiming it may be something else, but your focus is so much directed toward the highly unlikely possibility that he was a radical muslim that the fact just gets overshadowed by your crackpot theories.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I am very clearly reading your posts. Yes, I do see that you're claiming it may be something else, but your focus is so much directed toward the highly unlikely possibility that he was a radical muslim that the fact just gets overshadowed by your crackpot theories.

It very much does not seem that way.

Highly unlikely. Lol! Just every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only. And a government intentionally not answering questions about his religious ties.

 

[Dee]

It very much does not seem that way.

Highly unlikely. Lol! Just every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only. And a government intentionally not answering questions about his religious ties.

I understand that SOME intentional plane crashes have been done recently in the name of religion, but this is not the case and there is no evidence pointing toward that. Even if the investigators were hiding something, the truth would come out in some other manner from a separate party perhaps claiming support or responsibility. You just need wait for it, if that's what you're so keen on it being, which it sounds like you are despite your assertion it's not. But at this point, it's looking like you're not going to hear what you want to hear.

 

[mrldii]

The facts of the matter don't back up the speculation that "every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only".

http://news.aviation-safety.net/201...-and-incidents-deliberately-caused-by-pilots/

"
26 September 1976 – 12 fatalities
A Russian pilot stole an Antonov 2 airplane directed his aircraft into the block of flats in Novosibirsk where his divorced wife lived. (ASN Accident Description)

22 August 1979 – 4 fatalities
A 23 year old male mechanic who had just been fired entered a hangar at Bogotá Airport, Colombia and stole a military HS-748 transport plane. He took off and crashed the plane in a residential area. (ASN Accident Description)

9 February 1982 – 24 fatalities
A Japan Air Lines operated DC-8 crashed into the shallow water of Tokyo Bay after the captain cancelled the autopilot while the aircraft was on final approach to Haneda Airport, pushed his controls forward and retarded the throttles to idle. The co-pilot tried to regain control but the aircraft crashed. The captain had recently suffered a psychosomatic disorder; preliminary reports suggested that the captain experienced some form of a mental aberration. He had been off duty from November 1980 to November 1981 for these reasons. (ASN Accident Description)

7 April 1994 - 0 fatalities
A FedEx employee was due to be fired and took a jump seat on a flight to San Jose. He was intending to murder the flight crew with hammers and then to use the aircraft for a kamikaze attack on FedEx Headquarters in Memphis. A struggle ensued and two crew members overpowered the man while the first officer maintained control of the plane. (ASN Accident Description)

13 July 1994 – 1 fatality
A Russian Air Force engineer stole the aircraft at the Kubinka Air Force Base to commit suicide. The aircraft crashed when there was no more fuel left. (ASN Accident Description)

21 August 1994 – 44 fatalities
A Royal Air Maroc ATR-42 airplane crashed in the Atlas Mountains shortly after takeoff from Agadir, Morocco. The accident was suggested to have been caused by the captain disconnecting the autopilot and directing the aircraft to the ground deliberately. The Moroccan Pilot’s Union challenged these findings. (ASN Accident Description)

19 December 1997 – 104 fatalities
Silk Air Flight 185, a Boeing 737 en route from Jakarta, Indonesia to Singapore, crashed in Indonesia following a rapid descent from cruising altitude. Indonesian authorities were not able to determine the cause of the accident. It has been suggested by among others the U.S. NTSB that the captain may have committed suicide by switching off both flight recorders and intentionally putting the Boeing 737 in a dive, possibly when the first officer had left the flight deck. During 1997 the captain experienced multiple work-related difficulties, particularly during the last 6 months. Also at the time of the accident the captain was experiencing significant financial difficulties, which was disputed by the Indonesian investigators. (ASN Accident Description)

11 October 1999 – 1 fatality
An Air Botswana captain who had been grounded for medical reasons took off in an ATR-42. He made several demands over the radio and finally stated he was going the crash the plane. He caused the plane to crash into two parked ATR-42 aircraft on the platform at Gaborone Airport, Botswana. (ASN Accident Description)

31 October 1999 – 217 fatalities
Egypt Air Flight 990, a Boeing 767, entered a rapid descent some 30 minutes after departure from New York-JFK Airport. This happened moments after the captain had left the flight deck. During the investigation it was suggested that the accident was caused by a deliberate act by the relief first officer. However, there was no conclusive evidence. The NTSB concluded that the accident was a “result of the relief first officer’s flight control inputs. The reason for the relief first officer’s actions was not determined.” The suggestions of a deliberate act were heavily disputed by Egyptian authorities. (ASN Accident Description)

17 July 2012 – 1 fatality
A commercial pilot wanted in connection with the killing of his girlfriend in Colorado Springs went up to the Saint George Municipal Airport, Utah and managed to board a Canadair RegionalJet plane and start the engines. A security guard saw the airplane starting to taxy. It reportedly struck part of the terminal building and ended up in a parking lot. The pilot then shot himself once, killing himself inside the plane.

29 November 2013 – 33 fatalities
LAM Flight 470, an ERJ-190, entered a rapid descent while en route between Maputo and Luanda and crashed in Namibia. Preliminary investigation results indicate that the accident was intentional. The captain made control inputs that directed the plane to the ground, shortly after the first officer had left the flight deck. (ASN Accident Description)

8 March 2014 – 239 fatalities
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to Beijing, China went missing after all contact was lost about 40 minutes after takeoff. It is assumed to have crashed in the Indian Ocean. Experts have theorized that the accident may be the result of a deliberate action by one of the pilots, but the accident is still under investigation, also pending on finding the wreckage.

24 March 2015 – 150 fatalities
A Germanwings Airbus A320 crashed into a mountain while on a flight from Barcelona, Spain to Düsseldorf, Germany. Preliminary information from the chief Marseille prosecutor in France indicates that the captain was locked out of the flight deck and the copilot directed the airplane to a continuous descent towards mountainous terrain."


Not a single indication of terrorism linked "by one religion only", other than one's own paranoid delusions making it a *fact*.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I understand that SOME intentional plane crashes have been done recently in the name of religion, but this is not the case and there is no evidence pointing toward that. Even if the investigators were hiding something, the truth would come out in some other manner from a separate party perhaps claiming support or responsibility. You just need wait for it, if that's what you're so keen on it being, which it sounds like you are despite your assertion it's not. But at this point, it's looking like you're not going to hear what you want to hear.

It has come out in another manner as to what might have been his motivation. And if they have nothing to hide release his religious background.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The facts of the matter don't back up the speculation that "every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only".

http://news.aviation-safety.net/201...-and-incidents-deliberately-caused-by-pilots/

"
26 September 1976 – 12 fatalities
A Russian pilot stole an Antonov 2 airplane directed his aircraft into the block of flats in Novosibirsk where his divorced wife lived. (ASN Accident Description)

22 August 1979 – 4 fatalities
A 23 year old male mechanic who had just been fired entered a hangar at Bogotá Airport, Colombia and stole a military HS-748 transport plane. He took off and crashed the plane in a residential area. (ASN Accident Description)

9 February 1982 – 24 fatalities
A Japan Air Lines operated DC-8 crashed into the shallow water of Tokyo Bay after the captain cancelled the autopilot while the aircraft was on final approach to Haneda Airport, pushed his controls forward and retarded the throttles to idle. The co-pilot tried to regain control but the aircraft crashed. The captain had recently suffered a psychosomatic disorder; preliminary reports suggested that the captain experienced some form of a mental aberration. He had been off duty from November 1980 to November 1981 for these reasons. (ASN Accident Description)

7 April 1994 - 0 fatalities
A FedEx employee was due to be fired and took a jump seat on a flight to San Jose. He was intending to murder the flight crew with hammers and then to use the aircraft for a kamikaze attack on FedEx Headquarters in Memphis. A struggle ensued and two crew members overpowered the man while the first officer maintained control of the plane. (ASN Accident Description)

13 July 1994 – 1 fatality
A Russian Air Force engineer stole the aircraft at the Kubinka Air Force Base to commit suicide. The aircraft crashed when there was no more fuel left. (ASN Accident Description)

21 August 1994 – 44 fatalities
A Royal Air Maroc ATR-42 airplane crashed in the Atlas Mountains shortly after takeoff from Agadir, Morocco. The accident was suggested to have been caused by the captain disconnecting the autopilot and directing the aircraft to the ground deliberately. The Moroccan Pilot’s Union challenged these findings. (ASN Accident Description)

19 December 1997 – 104 fatalities
Silk Air Flight 185, a Boeing 737 en route from Jakarta, Indonesia to Singapore, crashed in Indonesia following a rapid descent from cruising altitude. Indonesian authorities were not able to determine the cause of the accident. It has been suggested by among others the U.S. NTSB that the captain may have committed suicide by switching off both flight recorders and intentionally putting the Boeing 737 in a dive, possibly when the first officer had left the flight deck. During 1997 the captain experienced multiple work-related difficulties, particularly during the last 6 months. Also at the time of the accident the captain was experiencing significant financial difficulties, which was disputed by the Indonesian investigators. (ASN Accident Description)

11 October 1999 – 1 fatality
An Air Botswana captain who had been grounded for medical reasons took off in an ATR-42. He made several demands over the radio and finally stated he was going the crash the plane. He caused the plane to crash into two parked ATR-42 aircraft on the platform at Gaborone Airport, Botswana. (ASN Accident Description)

31 October 1999 – 217 fatalities
Egypt Air Flight 990, a Boeing 767, entered a rapid descent some 30 minutes after departure from New York-JFK Airport. This happened moments after the captain had left the flight deck. During the investigation it was suggested that the accident was caused by a deliberate act by the relief first officer. However, there was no conclusive evidence. The NTSB concluded that the accident was a “result of the relief first officer’s flight control inputs. The reason for the relief first officer’s actions was not determined.” The suggestions of a deliberate act were heavily disputed by Egyptian authorities. (ASN Accident Description)

17 July 2012 – 1 fatality
A commercial pilot wanted in connection with the killing of his girlfriend in Colorado Springs went up to the Saint George Municipal Airport, Utah and managed to board a Canadair RegionalJet plane and start the engines. A security guard saw the airplane starting to taxy. It reportedly struck part of the terminal building and ended up in a parking lot. The pilot then shot himself once, killing himself inside the plane.

29 November 2013 – 33 fatalities
LAM Flight 470, an ERJ-190, entered a rapid descent while en route between Maputo and Luanda and crashed in Namibia. Preliminary investigation results indicate that the accident was intentional. The captain made control inputs that directed the plane to the ground, shortly after the first officer had left the flight deck. (ASN Accident Description)

8 March 2014 – 239 fatalities
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia to Beijing, China went missing after all contact was lost about 40 minutes after takeoff. It is assumed to have crashed in the Indian Ocean. Experts have theorized that the accident may be the result of a deliberate action by one of the pilots, but the accident is still under investigation, also pending on finding the wreckage.

24 March 2015 – 150 fatalities
A Germanwings Airbus A320 crashed into a mountain while on a flight from Barcelona, Spain to Düsseldorf, Germany. Preliminary information from the chief Marseille prosecutor in France indicates that the captain was locked out of the flight deck and the copilot directed the airplane to a continuous descent towards mountainous terrain."


Not a single indication of terrorism linked "by one religion only", other than one's own paranoid delusions making it a *fact*.

If you read a few post above with my back and forth with Dee I said airline flights. But to pick a random one in your list that are airline flights not all investigations see it these as simple acts of just suicide.

Singapore’s Silk Air Flight 185 on December 19, 1997 and Egypt Air Flight 990 on October 31, 1999. In both cases, the U.S. authorities concluded pilot suicide and investigators with the Muslim countries concluded otherwise. This was not our view, it was the views of the experts on these crashes. To read our analysis and expert reporting in more detail read More Muslims Are Going To Be Hijacking Planes And Crashing Them And Butchering Thousands, If We Do Not Ban Islam
http://shoebat.com/2015/01/14/just-came-last-words-pilot-crashed-airasia-plane-allahu-akbar/

 

[mrldii]

Why stop at his religious background? They should delve into his sexual preference, too, which also has nothing to do with it. We should also know other things about him that have nothing to do with the price of tea in China: How many sex partners had he had in his lifetime? Did he still have his tonsils? Were his toenails neatly trimmed? Did he manscape or prefer to go au naturale?

Why are we limiting ourselves to finding out just one thing that doesn't matter to obsess over?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Why stop at his religious background? They should delve into his sexual preference, too, which also has nothing to do with it. We should also know other things about him that have nothing to do with the price of tea in China: How many sex partners had he had in his lifetime? Did he still have his tonsils? Were his toenails neatly trimmed? Did he manscape or prefer to go au naturale?

Why are we limiting ourselves to finding out just one thing that doesn't matter to obsess over?

If sexual preference has been a reason in the past why someone had crashed a airline plane then sure yes they should investigate it. But you might know of a case?

 

[mrldii]

@TRUE LIBERTY

Ahhhhh, don't go singing a different tune, now, tru lib. Your exact words were:

"Just every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only."


The items I'd listed are pilot/co-pilot suicide cases going back 30+ years; each was flying a plane and each was intentionally done, so you are either wrong or you are lying.



*Sorry* that once again the facts of the matter don't substantiate that which you wish to be true...and cleave to. Refusing to believe facts in favor of a preconceived notion is the basis of


"ignorance", in which you appear to be steeped.

 

[Dee]

@TRUE LIBERTY

Ahhhhh, don't go singing a different tune, now, tru lib. Your exact words were:

"Just every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only."


The items I'd listed are pilot/co-pilot suicide cases going back 30+ years; each was flying a plane and each was intentionally done, so you are either wrong or you are lying.



*Sorry* that once again the facts of the matter don't substantiate that which you wish to be true...and cleave to. Refusing to believe facts in favor of a preconceived notion is the basis of


"ignorance", in which you appear to be steeped.

Well, if you haven't already noticed, TL really does enjoy ripping on Muslim people and their religion because they're the only ones solely responsible for every plane crash, suicide bombing, stabbing, shooting up of a place, rape, murder, so on and so forth. To him, there is no other explanation and no other finger to point, and when it just so happens to be that's the case, his horse gets a little higher.

 

[mrldii]

@Dee

My bad. Tru Lib threw me off because I thought all the evils in the world - both real and imagined - were the fault of all us liberal progressives...




...i.e., anyone who does not believe as he does about anything and everything.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

@TRUE LIBERTY

Ahhhhh, don't go singing a different tune, now, tru lib. Your exact words were:

"Just every plane crash intentionally done in the last two decades was done by one religion only."

I didn't just need to go back a little farther in this posts with DEE to see what I originally said.


The items I'd listed are pilot/co-pilot suicide cases going back 30+ years; each was flying a plane and each was intentionally done, so you are either wrong or you are lying.


And I showed you other experts do not agree with the Airline flights being because of suicide.


*Sorry* that once again the facts of the matter don't substantiate that which you wish to be true...and cleave to. Refusing to believe facts in favor of a preconceived notion is the basis of


Your preconceived facts do not matter.


"ignorance", in which you appear to be steeped.

Why is it so many cannot keep it to the topic at hand and just keep it on the debate without lowering themselves?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Well, if you haven't already noticed, TL really does enjoy ripping on Muslim people and their religion because they're the only ones solely responsible for every plane crash,

Its looking that way in terms of planes crashed because of terrorism.

suicide bombing,

Probably not everyone but certainly in 1st place by a mile.

stabbing,

As much as a radical Muslim loves a nice sharp blade to remove heads they are hardly the only ones doing stabbings in the world as past topics here have shown.

shooting up of a place,

Again a proper radical Muslim loves there AK but hardly the only ones doing the shootings in the world. But they are the ones doing the shooting across the planet while using it under the guise of promoting there religion.

rape,

Hardly the only rapists but they are the only religion backed by almost the entire middle east governments that endorse such behavior by enslaving millions upon millions of women.

murder,

See above for shootings and stabbings.

so on and so forth. To him, there is no other explanation and no other finger to point, and when it just so happens to be that's the case, his horse gets a little higher.

Hardly but I can see you saying that when we hardly agree on any topic politics. LOL!

I enjoy ripping on the estimated 80 to 300 million radicalized Muslims wreaking death, destruction and horror across the planet.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

@Dee

My bad. Tru Lib threw me off because I thought all the evils in the world - both real and imagined - were the fault of all us liberal progressives...




...i.e., anyone who does not believe as he does about anything and everything.

That would be America's problems with no imagining in there anywhere.

 

[Dee]

I enjoy ripping on the estimated 80 to 300 million radicalized Muslims wreaking death, destruction and horror across the planet.

This is perceived and overshadows the other millions of Muslims who do not condone and hate that radicals are using their religion on the name of terror to make a statement. When you lump many if not all people into a certain group, your view becomes skewed and portrays the overall peacefulness of the religion.

 

[Twisted Fairytale]

I know I'm extremely late to this discussion, but here are my thoughts on this. Keep in mind that I'm currently a Student Pilot as well, so I get how all of this medical stuff goes and all.

On religion: I think it's insanely close-minded and essentially anti-freedom to say that he should not have been a pilot, or have his details disclosed, because he was a Muslim. That's extremely uncalled for. Muslims did not cause terrorist attacks, terrorists do (in the same way that guns don't kill people, shooters kill people).

On suicidal tendencies: While it's debatable and some people will disagree, it's completely reasonable to let him fly after recovering from his suicidal tendencies. While it's not fool-proof (obviously), this allows pilots who would have been grounded for their lifetime to return back to doing what they love. Flying is the one thing that has helped me through many of my dark times because I enjoy it so much, so having pilots return can be a good thing. HOWEVER, this pilot should have seen a doctor, therapist, or spoke to someone about his depression and suicidal tendencies as soon as they resurfaced. He would have been grounded again, worked through the problems, and let back into the sky. It's simple; not fool-proof, but simple.

When I first heard of the accident, I refused to believe that the pilot would do such a thing. This tragedy is not due to improper laws regarding medicals and the Captain, but the law present in the United States that are not present in other countries that states there must be two or more people in the cockpit at all times. Normally, when a pilot must step out, they have to call a flight attendant to sit in with the other pilot, just to make sure something like this doesn't happen. We're going to start seeing these laws surface in other countries after this.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

This is perceived and overshadows the other millions of Muslims who do not condone and hate that radicals are using their religion on the name of terror to make a statement. When you lump many if not all people into a certain group, your view becomes skewed and portrays the overall peacefulness of the religion.

First it is not perceived it is facts.

And I am lumping the 80 to 300 million radical Muslims.

If they don't want to be perceived that way then the people in the middle east need to rise up and demand hundreds of millions women stop getting treated like cattle with no rights.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I know I'm extremely late to this discussion, but here are my thoughts on this. Keep in mind that I'm currently a Student Pilot as well, so I get how all of this medical stuff goes and all.

On religion: I think it's insanely close-minded and essentially anti-freedom to say that he should not have been a pilot, or have his details disclosed, because he was a Muslim. That's extremely uncalled for. Muslims did not cause terrorist attacks, terrorists do (in the same way that guns don't kill people, shooters kill people).

On suicidal tendencies: While it's debatable and some people will disagree, it's completely reasonable to let him fly after recovering from his suicidal tendencies. While it's not fool-proof (obviously), this allows pilots who would have been grounded for their lifetime to return back to doing what they love. Flying is the one thing that has helped me through many of my dark times because I enjoy it so much, so having pilots return can be a good thing. HOWEVER, this pilot should have seen a doctor, therapist, or spoke to someone about his depression and suicidal tendencies as soon as they resurfaced. He would have been grounded again, worked through the problems, and let back into the sky. It's simple; not fool-proof, but simple.

When I first heard of the accident, I refused to believe that the pilot would do such a thing. This tragedy is not due to improper laws regarding medicals and the Captain, but the law present in the United States that are not present in other countries that states there must be two or more people in the cockpit at all times. Normally, when a pilot must step out, they have to call a flight attendant to sit in with the other pilot, just to make sure something like this doesn't happen. We're going to start seeing these laws surface in other countries after this.

No where in what I said do I think Muslims should not be pilots. Any other person with any other religion would have been released with all other personal information about the person because the government does not fear the outrage of political correctness.