Honor Killings

[DrLeftover]

28 June

LAHORE Pakistan (Reuters) - A young couple in Pakistan were tied up and had their throats slit with scythes after they married for love, police said Saturday.

The 17-year-old girl and 31-year-old man married on June 18 without the consent of their families in eastern Pakistan's Punjabi village of Satrah, police said.

The girl's mother and father lured the couple home late on Thursday with the promise that their marriage would receive a family blessing, said local police official Rana Zashid.

"When the couple reached there, they tied them with ropes," he said. "He (the girl's father) cut their throats."

Police arrested the family, who said they had been embarrassed by the marriage of their daughter, named Muafia Hussein, to a man from a less important tribe.

Cultural traditions in many areas of Pakistan mean that killing a woman whose behavior is seen as immodest is widely accepted.

Immodest behavior that sparked recent killings included singing, looking out of the window or talking to a man who is not a relative. For a woman to marry a man of her own choice is considered an unacceptable insult by many families.

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-family-slits-throats-young-couple-over-love-100423914.html

 

[Jazzy]

Another wonderful story of love, peace, tolerance, and brotherhood from the world of Islam. :s

Now someone tell me one more time please; why is it, exactly, that we're spending billions of tax dollars in that barbaric place?

 

[DrLeftover]

Because THIS is Sharia.

Get used to it.

There are those that are actively working to have it implemented in the US.

Such as those school districts that now allow Muslim children out of school for their holidays, but have canceled Christmas and Easter events.

 

[Jazzy]

Police arrested the family, who said they had been embarrassed by the marriage of their daughter, named Muafia Hussein, to a man from a less important tribe.

If they were that embarrassed, they should have killed themselves.

 

[DrLeftover]

4 July

A Brooklyn jury took just over an hour Thursday to convict a cabby of orchestrating a pair of brutal honor-killing murders after his daughter ditched her arranged marriage.

Mohammad Choudhry, 61, showed little emotion after the verdict was announced in the packed Brooklyn federal courtroom while his friends and family bowed their heads in the court gallery.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/03/cabby-found-guilty-in-honor-killing-trial/

 

[TommyTooter]

it bothers me to see people condemn all of islam for the aberrant behavior and barbaric practices of a small fraction, yet stand in silence when a so-called christian nation goes and drops depleted uranium bombs all over a civilian population or the so-called jewish state is indiscriminately murdering civilians, allegedly to protect themselves from toy rockets that don't kill anybody or cause much damage. then there's the buddhists killing muslims in southeast asia and the hindus and sikhs going at it in india and pakistan.

it seems that the religions themselves are not the problem, but the institutions that arise and exploit the believers to advance a political agenda.

 

[beowulf]

The "religions" are exactly the problem! Any group of people who preach and practice the slaughter of anyone who doesn't think as they do and then try to pretty it up by calling it a religious practice ARE where the problem lies.

word!

 

[DrLeftover]

Nigeria's Boko Haram Islamists Mock #BringBackOurGirls Effort
14 July

Nigeria's Boko Haram has released a video mocking Western efforts to rescue more than 200 schoolgirls the Islamist militants captured in April. The al Qaeda-linked group's leader Abubakar Shekau is seen dancing and laughing flanked by fellow fighters and armored vehicles in the 16-minute video. "You've been going around saying, 'Bring back our girls,'" he said in the video, which was shared over social media and distributed by the AFP news agency on Sunday. NBC News was not able to independently verify the footage.

Shekau's sarcastic commentary refers to the Twitter campaign #BringBackOurGirls, which was taken up by public figures including Michelle Obama and rapper P.Diddy. Another supporter, Pakistani teenage activist Malala Yousafzai, visited the kidnapped girls' families on Sunday. The name Boko Haram translates roughly to "Western education is a sin,"

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-nigeria-schoolgirls/nigerias-boko-haram-islamists-mock-bringbackourgirls-effort-n155091


More:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/nigeria/10964606/Missing-Nigerian-schoolgirls-Boko-Haram-issues-new-video-mocking-BringBackOurGirls-campaign.html

 

[TommyTooter]

it bothers me to see people condemn all of islam for the aberrant behavior and barbaric practices of a small fraction, yet stand in silence when a so-called christian nation goes and drops depleted uranium bombs all over a civilian population or the so-called jewish state is indiscriminately murdering civilians, allegedly to protect themselves from toy rockets that don't kill anybody or cause much damage. then there's the buddhists killing muslims in southeast asia and the hindus and sikhs going at it in india and pakistan.

it seems that the religions themselves are not the problem, but the institutions that arise and exploit the believers to advance a political agenda.

Arguments like this crack me up. Saying that some other religion or group of people do bad things too is not a valid argument. Just because other people did or do the same or similar things does not excuse the barbarism of the original group.

The "religions" are exactly the problem! Any group of people who preach and practice the slaughter of anyone who doesn't think as they do and then try to pretty it up by calling it a religious practice ARE where the problem lies.

It is not just a few of those who practice that "religion"; we hear stories like this on a daily basis! Any effort to try to make this murdering group of lunatics look like anything else is hysterical. Sadly hysterical.

yeah? you want to try again to refute my argument with being so personally insulting? this is not an attitude that's appreciated in this forum. also, without being ageist, bear in mind that i'm probably older than your parents.

it's not the religions. those teach their faithful ways of peace, love and fellowship with other people. it is the institutions who use misinterpretations of scripture to stir up their following into slaughtering others.

there is nothing at all jewish about zionism, just as there is nothing really legitimately islamic about about hamas and their jihad. there is certainly nothing remotely christian about the rapture right cheering on all the slaughter and funding all these jewish and islamic armies to kill each other.

 

[identityissues8]

DrLeftOver, if you think this is the sharia, then you clearly have absolutely no idea what the Sharia is. At all.

This is one of the most disgustingly ignorant threads I have ever seen (on a forum I wouldn't expect such), and I've been on forums for a long time.

Condemn honour killings, sure. I do as well, and every other Muslim I know also does. And we are people who place Sharia Law upon our own lives and try our best to adhere to it as individuals.

Khalas. Just meet a Muslim in person, or read a book or something. If this is your impression of Islam, enjoy being sucked in by sensationalism.

I live Islam. I know Islam. I'm a peaceful and rational person, and my religion is a peaceful and rational religion.

Masalama.

 

[DrLeftover]

Excuse me.

It IS Sharia, and I have known plenty of Muslims of all three branches.

There is no Worldwide Manual of Sharia. Each locality decides what is and what is not Islamic Behavior and Penalties based on its own elders and their Imam. That may come down as far as the village, or, in the case of the Kingdom, be enforced nation wide, but the latter seems to be the exception.

It is up to them to decide whether or not they take the various verses from the Qur'an to mean what we have come to call "Honor Killings".

Two of those verses follow:

Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.

And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.
2 : 190 -191

http://quran.com/


Now, Identity, you were saying?

 

[identityissues8]

You do realise I am a Muslim myself, and I am fully aware that anyone can pick and choose verses of the Qur'an and distort them without the justice of the fact that Qur'an was revealed at points in history to benefit the Muslims (a persecuted group) in that moment, right?

In other words, I doubt there is anything you can attempt to misconstrue that I have not seen misconstrued before.

The verses you have quoted were revealed at the time that the Muslims in Medina were under a BARRAGE of attacks from the Makkans.
The verse was revealed at a time of war, giving advice to the Muslims to act in self-defense and in no other fashion.
Muslims today know and respect that, non-Muslims cherry pick it from the Qur'an, do absolutely no research into it and go 'Look here! Look here! A call to violence!' This comes from non-Muslims not knowing how to read the Qur'an properly*. It's not as simple as reading as there is so much to everything historically, even reading the Qur'an in English isn't reading the Qur'an - as the second it's translated from Arabic a lot of meaning is already lost.

Don't pretend you know the Qur'an, and don't pretend you know Muslims. You'll only look more a fool with each ignorant post.

*You did a great job being a walking example of that, I'll tell you that.

Now, go to all those Muslims friends you've claimed you have. They'll surely tell you the exact same thing.

 

[beowulf]

all religion is evil, but i think islam is the most evil of them all

when was the last time you heard of a hindu flying a plane into a building?..............when was the last time you heard of a catholic suicide bomber? the jewish people rioting cos someone drew a cartoon of their 'god'?..... buddhists stoning a woman cos she had been raped and therefore a whore?

nope....always muslims

 

[Jazzy]

Since religion is now allowed, this thread is now open for debate.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Obviously there are good Muslims but that religion has had and continues to have a problem when every Muslim country treats there women like garbage on the level of a pet dog. Where almost every major conflict around the world involves Muslims. where Europe is seeing problems because he Muslim immigrants do not want assimilate under the laws of the new country they choose to live in. And to say its a tiny percentage is nuts when the estimate amount is two to three hundred million who either support there actions and are involved in terrorist activities.

 

[Khalessi]

http://www.smh.com.au/world/the-struggle-to-keep-an-afghan-girl-safe-after-a-mullah-is-accused-of-rape-20140720-zuypw.html

 

[Jazzy]

In Pakistan, 1,000 women die in ‘honor killings’ annually

Horrifying is the regularity with which honor killings and stonings occur in Pakistan. Despite creeping modernity, secular condemnation and the fact there’s no reference to stoning in the Koran, honor killings claim the lives of more than 1,000 Pakistani women every year, according to a Pakistani rights group.

They have widespread appeal. Eighty-three percent of Pakistanis support stonings for adultery according to a Pew survey, and only 8 percent oppose it. Even those who chose modernity over Islamic fundamentalism overwhelmingly favor stonings.

Some Islamic fundamentalists think that only through the murder of an offending family member can honor be restored to the rest of the family. Honor killings predominantly affect women — 943 women were killed under such circumstances in 2011 and another 869 in 2013, though not all of them were stoned. Some were just gunned down in cold blood.

The reason is rooted in sexual inequality in such countries, where the punishment has survived through some interpretations of sharia, or Islamic law, that say adultery is punishable by stoning. In countries such as Iran, where stonings are legal and widespread, men often have significantly more agency than women. If accused of adultery, they may have the means to either hire lawyers or flee. But those options are frequently closed to women.

It’s the year 2014. Why is this still happening?

 

[beowulf]

It’s the year 2014. Why is this still happening?[/font][/size]

cos islam will not progress further than 1014

 

[TommyTooter]

Obviously there are good Muslims but that religion has had and continues to have a problem when every Muslim country treats there women like garbage on the level of a pet dog. Where almost every major conflict around the world involves Muslims. where Europe is seeing problems because he Muslim immigrants do not want assimilate under the laws of the new country they choose to live in. And to say its a tiny percentage is nuts when the estimate amount is two to three hundred million who either support there actions and are involved in terrorist activities.

first we need to see the proof of your assertion of 2-300 million who support terrorism. pulling numbers out of thin air does not fly in formal academic debate. even 200 million isn't a very big fraction of the 2-3 billion muslims in the world.

 

[DrLeftover]

Evidently the majority of the rulers of Afghanistan are OK with it.

19 July
KUNDUZ, Afghanistan — It was bad enough that the alleged rape took place in the sanctity of a mosque, and that the accused man was a mullah who invoked the familiar defense that it had been consensual sex.

But the victim was only 10 years old. And there was more: The authorities said her family members openly planned to carry out an “honor killing” in the case — against the young girl. The mullah offered to marry his victim instead.

This past week, the awful matter became even worse. On Tuesday, local policemen removed the girl from the shelter that had given her refuge and returned her to her family, despite complaints from women’s activists that she was likely to be killed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/20/world/asia/struggling-to-keep-afghan-girl-safe-after-a-mullah-is-accused-of-rape.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHeadline&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0