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is israel legitimately a jewish state?

TommyTooter

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i say emphatically, absolutely not! i contend that it is an oxymoron to call israel either a jewish state or a democracy because of the flagrant violations of hebrew law in it's inception and daily operations.

deuteronomy 8 and 11 specifically forbid what the architects of the balfour declaration and the engineers of the brutal occupation of palestine have wrought. prior to the holocaust most jews opposed it on either scriptural grounds or the fact that the chauvinistic militant nationalist brand of judaism the zionists are marketing is anathema to the hebrew faith.

numerous passages exist in the talmud as well, forbidding the israelites from returning to rule palestine before the coming of messiah. it is by our righteous acts that jews were chosen to set an example for the gentiles, not by our military might. the rothschilds are not the messiah and their money is not god.

evidence exists in the historic record that the zionists even planned to have the 6 million killed all along, to galvanize world opinion in favor of establishing the jewish homeland in palestine over everybody else's objections, completely ignoring the existence of birobidzhan, the jewish oblast created by stalin in the 20's. they were murdering mizrahi leadership in the 20's who were being too friendly with the gentiles and terrorizing the arabs. it's a little known fact that the first suicide bombers were zionists. today, they demand that all jews support them and viciously vilify and and all jews or gentiles critical of them.

though albert einstein actively supported the establishment of a jewish homeland in palestine, he opposed the militancy and mistreatment of the arabs. by 1948, he was denouncing menachem begin as a fascist terrorist and begging truman not to recognize the new government.

isaac asimov took one look at it and lamented on how quickly the oppressed had become the oppressor. when the zionists approached sigmund freud to make a statement on the hebron massacre, he very coldly brushed them off.

to call israel, or the united states, for that matter a democracy, is equally preposterous. plutocratic oligarchy is much more fitting for both of them, corporate states run by the ultra-rich. the israeli declaration of independence is a litany of broken promises, they have no constitution and there are numerous discriminatory laws on their books. and the rothschilds own their central bank.

zionism is a supremacist national socialist ideology completely contrary to the hebrew faith. no true jew would even consider force feeding a child gasoline and setting him afire as the settlers did last week in retaliation for three boys 'kidnapped' and found later dead (after their bodies had supposedly been found undecomposed after sitting in the hot sun for two weeks) this country does not listen to the ruach ha kodesh, but is instead driven by the aitz a hara of the sitra achra. *


* holy wind and evil inclinations of the other side.
 
It seems to me you are going through a lot of trouble to convince people of your side with a ton mumbo jumbo. Are they a true democracy probably not but are close enough for all the extra precautions they have to take when every evil country in that region wants to wipe them off the map. Are they the most free country in the region? Absolutely without a doubt! The Muslims immigrants who do live there appreciate the freedom and stability they have and are scared to death of ever going back to where they came from. What surprises me is with all the military might Israel has and with all the crap they put up with these fake named Palestinians and all the other terrorist groups firing missiles at them non stop they have not leveled there enemies all around them to a pile of smoking ash as they should have done many years ago.
 
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TommyTooter said:
my thread is saying that zionism does not legitimately represent judaism and is political in nature.
 
Jazzy said:
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Please see intent of this thread:
TommyTooter said:
my thread is saying that zionism does not legitimately represent judaism and is political in nature.

Bullshit.

There is nothing here to discuss.

I cite his own original post:
evidence exists in the historic record that the zionists even planned to have the 6 million killed all along

His stance is flatly Anti-semintic and he is simply baiting for an argument.

I vote to have the thread re-locked, or, even better. Deleted.
 
stupid question

its like saying America isnt a legitamate country since it was invaded and colonised by most of europe a couple of centuries ago
 
DrLeftover said:
Jazzy said:
Thread is now open for debate.

Please see intent of this thread:
TommyTooter said:
my thread is saying that zionism does not legitimately represent judaism and is political in nature.

Bullshit.

There is nothing here to discuss.

I cite his own original post:
evidence exists in the historic record that the zionists even planned to have the 6 million killed all along

His stance is flatly Anti-semintic and he is simply baiting for an argument.

I vote to have the thread re-locked, or, even better. Deleted.
FYI - i am not a 'he'. please do not refer to me as one.

my stance is the stance taken by rabbis and lay thinkers since the very beginning. the zionist narrative about the holocaust is false. there is evidence in the public record that the 6 million dying was part of the plan since at least 1915 and familial links to the rothschilds of adolph hitler are claimed.

there is certainly very strong evidence that more than 6 million died, but not in the manner the zionists would have you believe. the death camps were really work camps and were not built for wholesale slaughter. the majority of people died from disease and deprivation. there simply was not the time or space to slaughter and process the bodies in the frame defiined by the zionist narrative. also, 2/3 of the dead were orthodox, the main opposition, who never represented that portion of the population.

zionism is a national socialist political movement and israel is a plutocratic oligarchy that discriminates against everybody who isn't an ashkenazi jew, including the indigenous mizrahi. please prove that statement wrong without a lot of irrational ad hominem slurs and straw men about other places.
 
beowulf said:
stupid question

its like saying America isnt a legitamate country since it was invaded and colonised by most of europe a couple of centuries ago
in a way america is little different than israel, just bigger, and no more legitimate in reality than israel other than a constitution that hasn't ever protected the common citizen from the power elite. the rothschild-morgan cartel owns our currency too. perpetual warfare powered by propaganda. been working for the same pirates pretty well for 5000 years by the reckoning of some authors.


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TRUE LIBERTY said:
It seems to me you are going through a lot of trouble to convince people of your side with a ton mumbo jumbo. Are they a true democracy probably not but are close enough for all the extra precautions they have to take when every evil country in that region wants to wipe them off the map. Are they the most free country in the region? Absolutely without a doubt! The Muslims immigrants who do live there appreciate the freedom and stability they have and are scared to death of ever going back to where they came from. What surprises me is with all the military might Israel has and with all the crap they put up with these fake named Palestinians and all the other terrorist groups firing missiles at them non stop they have not leveled there enemies all around them to a pile of smoking ash as they should have done many years ago.
they aren't even close to a democracy. it is a plutocratic oligarchy dominated by very few families. the lawbooks have numerous discriminatory laws and they really have done very little for the past 100 years but abuse the palestinians, lie about their validity, steal the land and kill anybody who got in their way. they even assassinated a few mizrahi leaders who were too chummy with the arabs in the 1920's.

the main reason they haven't just blown all the arabs into little naughty bits is that world jewry wouldn't stand for it. they're having enough trouble as it is with very vocal orthodox rabbis, whistle blowing refuseniks and a brain drain of young talented israelis joining artists and academics worldwide in the BDS movement, many of them bailing out for europe, the states and australia. 25,000 moroccan jews just left to return home and a jewish iranian MP just laid into them hard this week.

this is the basis for the argument. zionism is not judaism and to call israel a jewish state is an oxymoron because it's inception and daily operations are in terrible conflict with hebrew law.

this is not a jew, but a madman , no different from hitler, stalin, mao or pol pot. make your choice world. take this man down for war crimes or watch as millions start dying and the bloodshed doesn't stop until 90% of humanity has been slaughtered. http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-finally-speaks-his-mind/
 
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