Obama wants to end ‘gay cure’ therapies for young people

[Jazzy]

Obama wants to end ‘gay cure’ therapies for young people
The US president is not a fan of the treatments that claim to make homosexual and transgender people straight.

The controversial ‘gay cure’ therapies were thrust into the spotlight following the December suicide of transgender 17-year-old Leelah Alcorn.

Her supporters launched a petition on the White House website after she left a note saying her parents had forced her to attend so-called conversion therapy.

‘We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual and queer youth,’ said White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett, while responding to the appeal.

She added: ‘The overwhelming scientific evidence demonstrates that conversion therapy, especially when it is practiced on young people, is neither medically nor ethically appropriate and can cause substantial harm.’

The White House has not explicitly called for congressional legislation to ban the therapies nationwide but Jarrett’s statement highlighted states that have outlawed the practice and expressed hope there would be broader action.

Your thoughts on ‘gay cure’ therapies?

 

[DrLeftover]

This was something the National Socialists tried as well.

It didn't work then any better than it does now.

However, the SS had another idea for a 'cure'.

"In the SS, today, we still have about one case of homosexuality a month. In a whole year, about eight to ten cases occur in the entire SS. I have now decided upon the following: in each case, these people will naturally be publicly degraded, expelled, and handed over to the courts. Following completion of the punishment imposed by the court, they will be sent, by my order, to a concentration camp, and they will be shot in the concentration camp, while attempting to escape. I will make that known by order to the unit to which the person so infected belonged. Thereby, I hope finally to have done with persons of this type in the SS, and the increasingly healthy blood which we are cultivating for Germany, will be kept pure."
- Heinrich Himmler
Reichsführer-SS, February 18, 1937

 

[mrldii]

My thoughts on "gay cure therapies"?

They're making money for someones, no doubt, even if they're not effective. Oh, and it's rather odd that so many of them are sponsored by Christian organizations, since the whole premise goes against the fundamental principles of Jesus' teachings.

 

[Twisted Fairytale]

Oh, and it's rather odd that so many of them are sponsored by Christian organizations, since the whole premise goes against the fundamental principles of Jesus' teachings.

Exactly! I hate how these "therapies" are sponsored by Christian organizations, which goes 100% against our teachings. It drives me insane.

I don't think there's any way you can seriously change someone's sexual attractions by force, therapy, or any other trick. It's just who they are.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Our dear leader and the government is butting into things that is none of there business. If a person wants to freely decide to go through this therapy then no person or entity should have the right to interfere. But the dear leader and company seem to think they know whats best for us better then we do.

 

[Dee]

Our dear leader and the government is butting into things that is none of there business. If a person wants to freely decide to go through this therapy then no person or entity should have the right to interfere. But the dear leader and company seem to think they know whats best for us better then we do.

The problem is it's often not their choice and/or they're brainwashed into thinking that it is the right thing for them to do, and then end up going through the therapy only to realize it's not something that's wrong with them, they just are who they are. IF a person wishes to seek out help for their LEGITIMATE and personal concern that they don't want to be gay or have those thoughts/feelings, and they're of age to make their own decisions, then sure I could see that being okay. But the majority of the time, it is not something people willingly do, at least not with the right information. They're often told being gay is wrong or unnatural and therefore are fighting against what is natural for them. In any case, check out the success rates of gay conversion therapy. If you take the "success" rate, which can't accurately be determined due to bias sources, check out the astonishing rate of people who end up being depressed or go and use drugs and alcohol to deal with their mental health issues stemming from it.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The problem is it's often not their choice and/or they're brainwashed into thinking that it is the right thing for them to do, and then end up going through the therapy only to realize it's not something that's wrong with them, they just are who they are. IF a person wishes to seek out help for their LEGITIMATE and personal concern that they don't want to be gay or have those thoughts/feelings, and they're of age to make their own decisions, then sure I could see that being okay. But the majority of the time, it is not something people willingly do, at least not with the right information. They're often told being gay is wrong or unnatural and therefore are fighting against what is natural for them. In any case, check out the success rates of gay conversion therapy. If you take the "success" rate, which can't accurately be determined due to bias sources, check out the astonishing rate of people who end up being depressed or go and use drugs and alcohol to deal with their mental health issues stemming from it.

So they have guns at there heads forcing them to go to therapy? Or they are kidnapped and put in a room being convinced under duress they must go to these meeting? No I think not! They have free will and until the above is actually happening it is no ones business if they go or don't. Next thing we will hear is people are going to AA meetings under force while being convinced they are drunks in a locked room.

Could care less what the success rate is when it is there free choice to go.

 

[mrldii]

In most states, the referenced "young people" in the title - and in the article - don't need "guns to their heads" to be made to do things; the mere fact that they're minors and their parents own their asses is enough to get things done.


Factually-speaking, of course.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

In most states, the referenced "young people" in the title - and in the article - don't need "guns to their heads" to be made to do things; the mere fact that they're minors and their parents own their asses is enough to get things done.


Factually-speaking, of course.

And that would still fall under no ones business except the family and the parents.

 

[mrldii]

No one's business except "the family and the parents"

and the charlatans whose business it is TO make money off The Cure, that is.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

No one's business except "the family and the parents"

and the charlatans whose business it is TO make money off The Cure, that is.

And that is your opinion and should stay a opinion and no further. Just out of curiosity is there any real studies done on this?

 

[mrldii]

There have been real studies done on this. Of course, they don't say what *you* would like them to say, so they'll be dismissed.

http://www.drdoughaldeman.com/doc/ScientificExamination.pdf





Just out of curiosity, am I the only one with a working "Google" on this site???

 

[Dee]

There have been real studies done on this. Of course, they don't say what *you* would like them to say, so they'll be dismissed.

http://www.drdoughaldeman.com/doc/ScientificExamination.pdf






Just out of curiosity, am I the only one with a working "Google" on this site???

Apparently. I would have quoted some statistics, but you know what it's like when TL has his mind set on something. It's his way is fact and only that way and everything else is bullshit liberal drivel.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Apparently. I would have quoted some statistics, but you know what it's like when TL has his mind set on something. It's his way is fact and only that way and everything else is bullshit liberal drivel.

Please you and a few others are no less stubborn on facts and would stick up for there ideology no matter what. It is just I keep it on the subject and not the person who I strongly disagree with.

But since mrldii gave me a starting point to look into this on my PERFECTLY fine working google I found this.



"The American Psychological Association, a national organization of professional psychologists, issued the following statements in its article titled "Resolution on Appropriate Affirmative Responses to Sexual Orientation Distress and Change Efforts," posted on its website, APA.org, in Aug. 2009:

There are no studies of adequate scientific rigor to conclude whether or not recent SOCE [Sexual Orientation Change Efforts] do or do not work to change a person's sexual orientation.

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000035
"



But reading into what they do to people I do believe and minors should have the final say if they want to go through this before and during treatment. But for adults the government needs to stay out of all of it.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Now if a conversion therapy became popular for straight people to become gay for adults and minors the left would become there hypocritical way and praise it as a wonderful thing. They would demand tax payer dollars to fund it for all people who want it. They would push the idea every school in America have it available for all who want it. Then when people mention this is the same therapy used for gay people who want to be straight. The response like always would be hater! And then finally the left would promote it in classes and would want to make it a required course for all who go to school.

 

[mrldii]

Awwww...shame, shame, SHAME on you for employing generous and biased editing; you should have read your own-provided link a little further, including the very next sentence:



"Scientifically rigorous older work in this area... found that sexual orientation... was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose. "

Later, in your same citation, it says:

"Psychotherapeutic modalities to convert or 'repair' homosexuality are based on developmental theories whose scientific validity is questionable.

Furthermore, anecdotal reports of 'cures' are counterbalanced by anecdotal claims of psychological harm. In the last four decades, 'reparative' therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure. Until there is such research available, APA recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals' sexual orientation, keeping in mind the medical dictum, do no harm."

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000035


I'm beginning to see why you do not typically include citations to legitimate sources in your postings and why you're not a big fan of considering facts when forming your opinions.

 

[DirtRider]

I often wonder about this when I see debates going on about people being gay and you can do this or that to fix it. My question is do people wake up one morning and say "gee I think I will be gay from today it should be fun"

 

[mrldii]

Agreed, DirtRider. The best *argument* I ever heard re: 'Is homosexuality nature or nurture?' was - I believe from a comedian who said,

"If it's a choice, when did YOU make the choice to be straight? Where were YOU and what made YOU decide "I'm only attracted to - and only going to have sex with - members of the opposite sex!"?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Awwww...shame, shame, SHAME on you for employing generous and biased editing; you should have read your own-provided link a little further, including the very next sentence:



"Scientifically rigorous older work in this area... found that sexual orientation... was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose. "

Later, in your same citation, it says:

"Psychotherapeutic modalities to convert or 'repair' homosexuality are based on developmental theories whose scientific validity is questionable.

Furthermore, anecdotal reports of 'cures' are counterbalanced by anecdotal claims of psychological harm. In the last four decades, 'reparative' therapists have not produced any rigorous scientific research to substantiate their claims of cure. Until there is such research available, APA recommends that ethical practitioners refrain from attempts to change individuals' sexual orientation, keeping in mind the medical dictum, do no harm."

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000035


I'm beginning to see why you do not typically include citations to legitimate sources in your postings and why you're not a big fan of considering facts when forming your opinions.

I read the rest just fine and the bottom line is from that quote I posted is there is no positive proof it works one way or another. It seems you are the one that gets facts from unicorns and lollipops. But I could care less if it works or doesn't. Bottom line is this should be a decision for the parents and child to make together and no one else.

 

[Dee]

Please you and a few others are no less stubborn on facts and would stick up for there ideology no matter what. It is just I keep it on the subject and not the person who I strongly disagree with.

But since mrldii gave me a starting point to look into this on my PERFECTLY fine working google I found this.



"The American Psychological Association, a national organization of professional psychologists, issued the following statements in its article titled "Resolution on Appropriate Affirmative Responses to Sexual Orientation Distress and Change Efforts," posted on its website, APA.org, in Aug. 2009:

There are no studies of adequate scientific rigor to conclude whether or not recent SOCE [Sexual Orientation Change Efforts] do or do not work to change a person's sexual orientation.

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000035
"



But reading into what they do to people I do believe and minors should have the final say if they want to go through this before and during treatment. But for adults the government needs to stay out of all of it.

And from that, there is this:

There are no studies of adequate scientific rigor to conclude whether or not recent SOCE do or do not work to change a person’s sexual orientation. Scientifically rigorous older work in this area (e.g., Birk, Huddleston, Miller, & Cohler, 1971; James, 1978; McConaghy, 1969, 1976; McConaghy, Proctor, & Barr, 1972; Tanner, 1974, 1975) found that sexual orientation (i.e., erotic attractions and sexual arousal oriented to one sex or the other, or both) was unlikely to change due to efforts designed for this purpose.... Although sound data on the safety of SOCE are extremely limited, some individuals reported being harmed by SOCE. Distress and depression were exacerbated. Belief in the hope of sexual orientation change followed by the failure of the treatment was identified as a significant cause of distress and negative self-image (Beckstead & Morrow, 2004; Shidlo & Schroeder, 2002).

Failure from the treatment? Gee, I wonder why... Sounds like this "healthy" and "right" way of treating what some people consider to be a "mental health condition," which the AMA/APA acknowledge it is most definitely not, is a huge steaming crock of shit. I stand by my belief that no one should be forced to do this, whether through coercion, under parental influence, or with a gun to one's head. People who put other's through this should be charged for it.