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The WNBA Culture War No One Asked Her To Join

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Two thoughts here....
(1) Caitlin Clark is one of those seminal athletes who is on par w/other seminal basketball players in different eras' - Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, etc. and should have one helluva a career in the WNBA
(2) ...and the Right in their efforts to demonize women, minorities, the LGBTQ community, etc., have dragged her into a culture war fight she didn't want to be a part of.
 
I don't understand how who she spends her time off with matters at all, as long as she is a good basketball player.
I don't think anyone cares either, Doc, but tell that to Clay Travis, Jason Withlock and the rest of the knuckle-draggers...
 
I don't think anyone cares either, Doc, but tell that to Clay Travis, Jason Withlock and the rest of the knuckle-draggers...

Clay and Jason WHO?

I don't watch ESPN or Foxsports talk shows, if they're on those, I'll never see it.
 
I mean if anyone's actually paid attention to the WNBA this season, it's pretty clear she has some kind of target on her back. I've seen clips of her getting fouled and it's not your usual everyday basketball foul....it's your "welcome to the big leagues, bitch" kinda fouls. Just in today's game, Angel Reese (who apparently can not stand Clark), got called for a flagrant foul. Whatever the reason, some of these fouls are intentional and everyone is calling them out.

Also, let's not compare her to Larry Bird and Michael Jordan because not everyone's talent transitions that well from the college ranks to the pros.
 
Clay and Jason WHO?
Clay's one half of the duo who replaced the late Rush Limbaugh (the Clay and Buck Show - the "Buck" referring to former Blaze commentator Buck Sexton).
I mean if anyone's actually paid attention to the WNBA this season, it's pretty clear she has some kind of target on her back. I've seen clips of her getting fouled and it's not your usual everyday basketball foul....it's your "welcome to the big leagues, bitch" kinda fouls. Just in today's game, Angel Reese (who apparently can not stand Clark), got called for a flagrant foul. Whatever the reason, some of these fouls are intentional and everyone is calling them out.
OH, no one has suggested Clark be treated with kid gloves but to hear those two boneheads above talk about it, she's being rough-housed around because she's a straight white female in a league where a good number of the women are either lesbian or bisexual. (In other words, Dead, they're trying to insert a culture war argument into where it doesn't belong.)
Also, let's not compare her to Larry Bird and Michael Jordan because not everyone's talent transitions that well from the college ranks to the pros.
I get that; the comparison was to how, upon their respective entries into the pro ranks, they raised the stature of everyone around them (i.e. more eyes on the product, more tickets, more merch sales, etc., etc.)
 
OH, no one has suggested Clark be treated with kid gloves but to hear those two boneheads above talk about it, she's being rough-housed around because she's a straight white female in a league where a good number of the women are either lesbian or bisexual. (In other words, Dead, they're trying to insert a culture war argument into where it doesn't belong.)

they raised the stature of everyone around them (i.e. more eyes on the product, more tickets, more merch sales, etc., etc.)

And to play devils advocate off of what you mentioned, they very well could build a case for that very scenario. I mean, the WNBA didn't have a lot of what you mentioned (ticket sales, viewership etc) before Caitlin Clark got there and it's quite possible that some of the other players have the thinking that "nobody' watched us for years, now they're watching a white girl?" in a league dominated by people of color. The only way that narrative can be fixed is if she shuts them all up by dominating year after year and earning the Larry Bird/Michael Jordan level of respect because of her talent and not the color of her skin.

I was watching a PTI clip a few weeks back where the hosts both agreed that it looks like they're intentionally trying to hurt her, and didn't mention race or sexual orientation once. You win, you kill the narrative.
 
The only way that narrative can be fixed is if she shuts them all up by dominating year after year and earning the Larry Bird/Michael Jordan level of respect because of her talent and not the color of her skin.
Which is what I hope happens. My problem here is that the Right, in an effort to inflame their side with more Culture War red meat, have dragged her into a fight she doesn't want any part of.

I'll give you another example just off the top of my head: the U.S. Olympic Team released its' Women's Basketball roster for the summer Olympics and Clark wasn't on it. By and large, a good decision given the level of talent already there (even Clark agreed with their decision). To Travis and the others, though, its' another Culture War issue they can use to gin up controversy.
 
If we're going to have this discussion, let's focus on everything being said. Not just pointing out one fact here or there.
 
There is an internal "culture war" inside the Player's Association of the NBA regarding homosexual players, and several years ago there was an absolute shitstorm in the NFL over the same issue.

I don't recall hearing of anything like that in Major League Baseball, but I do remember stupidity over a gay NASCAR driver who ended up with AIDS several years ago.

It is something that has to be dealt with, and crap to put up with until it is finally accepted.

Just like the gay members of Congress. There's still static FROM BOTH SIDES about it, but they are there, and they're just as corrupt and self centered as everybody else in the building. So they're what passes for "normal" in that cesspool.
 
but I do remember stupidity over a gay NASCAR driver who ended up with AIDS several years ago.
Oh, you mean Tim Richmond?
That was on open secret in NASCAR world, Doc; hell, Indycar drivers thought as much as well but as long as he could drive a car, they didn't give a rip.
 
..another perspective...

Manny Fidel
Mon 17 Jun 2024 04.30 EDT

-When Caitlin Clark was on the receiving end of a hard foul from Angel Reese on Sunday, the sound and fury around the Indiana Fever rookie intensified once again. She has been the focus of a number of controversies lately.

After Clark was left off the USA women’s basketball Olympic team earlier this month, I raised an eyebrow myself. She’s a phenomenal player and athlete and someone who should hold the lion’s share of the credit for the WNBA’s massive increase in popularity. But, as is often the case in sports discourse, multiple things can be true at once. Clark is also an inexperienced rookie, who, aside from a few standout performances (including Sunday’s win over the Chicago Sky), has had a rocky start to her WNBA career – she leads the league in turnovers per game. And when it comes to adding her to the Olympic roster, the US selection committee would have had to alter the roles of skilled guards like Diana Taurasi and Sabrina Ionescu.

Sure, some level of head-scratching was justified. But when you look at the full picture, it’s clear why Clark was left off the Olympic roster, and any further uproar about the situation is a waste of breath. Unfortunately though, we live in a political culture that loves to waste breath.

Politicians, pundits, and fans from across the right decried the decision. Former South Carolina governor Nikki Haley took to X, as did the official account for the House Judiciary GOP, further inflaming a conversation around Clark that was already chaotic. ESPN’s Pat McAfee even invoked Clark’s race when he argued that she deserved more credit than the rest of the WNBA’s (mostly Black) rookie class for helping to popularize the sport. “Nah, just call it for what it is – there’s one white bitch for the Indiana team who is a superstar,” he said (and later apologized saying in that manner). McAfee was countering some who argued that Clark’s whiteness makes her a little more marketable than her equally talented Black peers.

And that’s not the first time race contributed to a fraught dialogue around Clark. The optics of her mostly white Iowa team facing off against Reese’s mostly Black LSU team in the 2024 Women’s NCAA basketball tournament lit a fire of racial allegiances, even prompting then-LSU star Hailey Van Lith (who is white) to speak out. “In my opinion, I know for a fact that people see us differently because we do have a lot of Black women on our team who have an attitude and like to talk trash and people feel a way about it,” said Van Lith.

But the striking thing about the strife around Caitlin Clark is that she has done nothing to provoke the controversy herself. An inherently uncontroversial figure, Clark is the personification of far-right pundit Laura Ingraham’s infamous “shut up and dribble” sentiment, which echoes a long-standing belief on the right that athletes – or the ones they disagree with anyway – should leave politics out of sports. And yet, it is those very same people who are attempting to draw Clark away from neutrality. Indiana congressman Jim Banks, for example, sent a letter to WNBA commissioner Cathy Engelbert asking her to discipline Chicago Sky guard Chennedy Carter for knocking Clark down during a game earlier this month. Like Reese’s hit on Sunday, it was a hard foul, but the idea that it needed to be escalated by an elected official is just as ridiculous as when Louisiana governor Jeff Landry proposed stripping the scholarships of LSU women’s basketball players who were not present during the national anthem at the start of one of their games. As LSU coach Kim Mulkey explained, the players only happened to miss the anthem because of a pre-game routine, but no explanation will ever be good enough for conservatives who weaponize innocuous events to make a name for themselves. Republicans are experts at opposition because it’s kind of the point of their party: to conserve or even regress on the issues that matter most to Americans. Without a sense of progress, they have resorted to self-serving stances that are increasingly desperate.

Clark appears to want to do little more than win basketball games, but she remains in the eye of the kind of political hurricane we’ve seen with activism-driven athletes like Megan Rapinoe and Colin Kaepernick. When those two kneeled during the national anthem to protest against social injustice, for example, the storm that followed was expected, even if it was unwarranted.

Clark, on the other hand, has inspired waves of bombast without actually offering much in the way of political or social opinions. She responded to being left off the Olympic roster the way any self-respecting athlete would, by essentially saying that she’d been underestimated, and expressing excitement about the prospect of making it on to the 2028 squad. And after taking a non-stance on people who have used her name to denigrate other WNBA players in racist, misogynistic, and homophobic ways, she came around later that day to speak out about the charged discourse. “People should not be using my name to push those agendas. It’s disappointing. It’s not acceptable,” she told reporters.

It’s clear that Clark wants nothing to do with anything outside of scoring a bucket. And while that is an understandable position for a 22-year-old who suddenly finds herself one of the most famous people in America, she will hopefully learn over time how to be a more conscious role model, by understanding the power she wields as a superstar athlete. But the fact that she has been at the center of so many conservative talking points speaks to a political environment on the right that is willing to make anything and everything into an issue.

Gone are the days where such controversies were born out of actual controversy. Clark lives in a country whose conservative party has simply moved on from good faith and open-mindedness. Today, political divisiveness is spread not just by media content that is incentivized to bait its audience, but also by a former President and Republican politicians who employ discord as a means to posture to their constituents and potential voters. But whatever they have to say about Clark should be taken as seriously as their takes on the Fever’s perimeter defense.
 

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