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Cranos said:
[quote name='Nebulous']There is more irreversable things that could happen. Look at IPBFree. Zathyus is not going to be around forever. The admin could go bankrupt, servers can crash, or a court could order that everything be removed and shut down. You never know. It even says in their TOS that they can shut down or delete your board without notice for any reason and they dont even have to tell you why.

Its too risky to run a forum on a host like that. I know I would not pour tons of effort and time into something that could disappear for any reason at any time. All the people who defend remotely hosted free hosts will change their tune once it all hits the fan for them.



Also, you dont need to pay for hosting or a domain... There is plenty of free web hosts out there and plenty of free domain services. Or you can use whatever url the free host gives you.

You can host your own self maintained phpbb or mybb or smf or whatever without paying a cent. Also there is thousands of modifications for those software's. So on top of having the ability to backup and protect your forum, you can add in tons of different modifications to make your board have more features and functions than a Zetaboard will ever have.

I've had a board before on a free web host, well I actually tried at least 10 free hosts. None of them were as fast as ZB now is and had a lot more downtime. If you want to build up a community you need at least quality hosting. Also, I never said it's ideal, if you have the money and you want to spend it on a forum, then paid software/hosting is of course better. But it's the most reliable free alternative.[/quote]

Just because you had a bad experience with free web hosts doesnt mean there isnt any good ones out there.
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There is hundreds (probably thousands) of hosts on the internet and new ones pop up everyday. Many of them offer a free package or you could pay like $1 or $2 a month. Also the great thing about being able to backup your forum is you can move it to different hosts all you want. All you have to do is point your domain to your new servers. Your members wont even notice you moved (apart from waiting for the DNS to update).



and zathyus isn't going anywhere any time soon.

You dont know that unless you can predict the future. IPBfree and several other free hosts are prime example of that. All you can do is hope and reassure yourself that everything will be alright and nothing bad will ever happen. There is no real debate in this. If you are on a free remotely hosted forum host you run the risk of losing everything and all your hard work without any notice. Personally I would not want to take that risk and anyone who really cares about their community would not have a forum in a situation like that. The whole I dont give a shit if my forum goes down, I'll just make new one on a different free host attitude is one point of view, but I just dont find it very logical especially when those forum owners spend hours, days, months, years on their forum tweaking things and building a community.
 
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Reading over this thread, I have to agree with everything Nebulous has been saying. I would not want to join a forum ran by these I dont give a shit admins.
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Nebulous said:
Just because you had a bad experience with free web hosts doesnt mean there isnt any good ones out there.
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There is hundreds (probably thousands) of hosts on the internet and new ones pop up everyday. Many of them offer a free package or you could pay like $1 or $2 a month. Also the great thing about being able to backup your forum is you can move it to different hosts all you want. All you have to do is point your domain to your new servers. Your members wont even notice you moved (apart from waiting for the DNS to update).



and zathyus isn't going anywhere any time soon.

You dont know that unless you can predict the future. IPBfree and several other free hosts are prime example of that. All you can do is hope and reassure yourself that everything will be alright and nothing bad will ever happen. There is no real debate in this. If you are on a free remotely hosted forum host you run the risk of losing everything and all your hard work without any notice. Personally I would not want to take that risk and anyone who really cares about their community would not have a forum in a situation like that. The whole I dont give a shit if my forum goes down, I'll just make new one on a different free host attitude is one point of view, but I just dont find it very logical especially when those forum owners spend hours, days, months, years on their forum tweaking things and building a community.

I agree that there are certain risks, but my trust is apparently a bit larger than yours. Neither free hosting or zetaboards are ideal, but hosting-wise, zetaboards is definitely the more stable one. With free hosting, you'd need to move to a new host every 2 weeks or so.



Also, myBB and phpBB are terrible forum software imo. I don't like the whole feel of it and some little things just annoy me. And thinking back to when I had a forum run on IPB, you need more technical knowledge to set up your board and add/edit the codes. Zetaboards is a lot easier to work with and the software has overall just a nice feel to it.



Carry said:
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Reading over this thread, I have to agree with everything Nebulous has been saying. I would not want to join a forum ran by these I dont give a shit admins.
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What a ridiculous statement. It's not because people on zetaboards have a little trust in their company that they don't care about their forum. They put a lot of time and work in it. Stop being so judgemental and actually take a look at those boards before you write nonsense like that.



I'm sorry if that comes over as a little blunt, but I honestly do care and I don't like you writing that about me.
 
We'll come back to this thread one day when your beloved host / forums on that host have gone bye bye just like several of its competitors.
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I ran Zeta, and now i run Mybb, Mybb is way better then zeta, i hated it I just dont like the feel of it Mybb, crazy enough, is easier to understand.
 
Nebulous said:
There is more irreversable things that could happen. Look at IPBFree. Zathyus is not going to be around forever. The admin could go bankrupt, servers can crash, or a court could order that everything be removed and shut down. You never know. It even says in their TOS that they can shut down or delete your board without notice for any reason and they dont even have to tell you why.

Its too risky to run a forum on a host like that. I know I would not pour tons of effort and time into something that could disappear for any reason at any time. All the people who defend remotely hosted free hosts will change their tune once it all hits the fan for them.



Also, you dont need to pay for hosting or a domain... There is plenty of free web hosts out there and plenty of free domain services. Or you can use whatever url the free host gives you.

You can host your own self maintained phpbb or mybb or smf or whatever without paying a cent. Also there is thousands of modifications for those software's. So on top of having the ability to backup and protect your forum, you can add in tons of different modifications to make your board have more features and functions than a Zetaboard will ever have.



There is a few things I am going to discredit on you Nebulous.



First off. You were going on about ZB going bankrupt, servers crashing, etc. Unfortunately, so can paid hosts. Do they keep your stuff? Nope. That's YOUR job to do so. Unless it's maintainence, they aren't reliable for any of your items that's stored on their servers. So, ZB and self-hosting is the same on that part.



As far as paying for domain and hosting...that you might be right on, but you get what you pay for. ZB, at least, has a very decent uptime. Not 100% or whatnot, but a very good uptime. Now for free hosts...well...from experience with many of the free hosts out there, they can just shut you down fast, or they drop faster than bottle rockets. Basically put: They aren't reliable. As I said, you get what you pay for. As far as the domain, PR rating means a lot to sites. That's all I will say on domains.



As far as the maintaining your own board, think about this. Most people don't have the knowledge to know what they are doing in their own self hosted board. Granted, most have modifications and shit that you can use to make your users lives better on your board. But with that, comes a security risk. Most modifications are coded by other people, which aren't who normally codes the board software. So it's not going to have the same security. And thus, creates holes in your security. From there, they can get in, take anything (Your personal items, for example) and make like a bandit, and you'll never know who did it.



Take this from someone who has been maintaining his own server for roughly 7 years. I know the ins and outs of forum preventive maintainance and security. And even site security. But take it as you will. I'll be waiting to see if I either get flamed for my comments, or end up with a stupid answer.
 
Saito said:
[quote name='Nebulous']There is more irreversable things that could happen. Look at IPBFree. Zathyus is not going to be around forever. The admin could go bankrupt, servers can crash, or a court could order that everything be removed and shut down. You never know. It even says in their TOS that they can shut down or delete your board without notice for any reason and they dont even have to tell you why.

Its too risky to run a forum on a host like that. I know I would not pour tons of effort and time into something that could disappear for any reason at any time. All the people who defend remotely hosted free hosts will change their tune once it all hits the fan for them.



Also, you dont need to pay for hosting or a domain... There is plenty of free web hosts out there and plenty of free domain services. Or you can use whatever url the free host gives you.

You can host your own self maintained phpbb or mybb or smf or whatever without paying a cent. Also there is thousands of modifications for those software's. So on top of having the ability to backup and protect your forum, you can add in tons of different modifications to make your board have more features and functions than a Zetaboard will ever have.



There is a few things I am going to discredit on you Nebulous.



First off. You were going on about ZB going bankrupt, servers crashing, etc. Unfortunately, so can paid hosts. Do they keep your stuff? Nope. That's YOUR job to do so. Unless it's maintainence, they aren't reliable for any of your items that's stored on their servers. So, ZB and self-hosting is the same on that part.



As far as paying for domain and hosting...that you might be right on, but you get what you pay for. ZB, at least, has a very decent uptime. Not 100% or whatnot, but a very good uptime. Now for free hosts...well...from experience with many of the free hosts out there, they can just shut you down fast, or they drop faster than bottle rockets. Basically put: They aren't reliable. As I said, you get what you pay for. As far as the domain, PR rating means a lot to sites. That's all I will say on domains.



As far as the maintaining your own board, think about this. Most people don't have the knowledge to know what they are doing in their own self hosted board. Granted, most have modifications and shit that you can use to make your users lives better on your board. But with that, comes a security risk. Most modifications are coded by other people, which aren't who normally codes the board software. So it's not going to have the same security. And thus, creates holes in your security. From there, they can get in, take anything (Your personal items, for example) and make like a bandit, and you'll never know who did it.



Take this from someone who has been maintaining his own server for roughly 7 years. I know the ins and outs of forum preventive maintainance and security. And even site security. But take it as you will. I'll be waiting to see if I either get flamed for my comments, or end up with a stupid answer.[/quote]



Uh huh, the point of making backups is to protect your forum in case any of the above happens, you can backup your forum regularly and keep a copy of everything on your computer or even save it to a flash drive. No matter what happens, it can all be restored.



Also lets say this community gets bored of it being on vB. We could raise money to convert it to IPB or switch to a free one like phpbb, mybb or whatever other software we want.
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Cranos said:
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Reading over this thread, I have to agree with everything Nebulous has been saying. I would not want to join a forum ran by these I dont give a shit admins.
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What a ridiculous statement. It's not because people on zetaboards have a little trust in their company that they don't care about their forum. They put a lot of time and work in it. Stop being so judgemental and actually take a look at those boards before you write nonsense like that.



I'm sorry if that comes over as a little blunt, but I honestly do care and I don't like you writing that about me.[/quote]



Get over it. I'd rather be on a forum that could be restored if something bad happened. I'm sorry if that sounds ridiculous to you. It sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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I've used the predecessor, invisionfree. I didn't upgrade to zetaboards since I was planning on moving to another forum software.
 
I prefer IF by a long shot. I hate making them, but they look and feel much better to me.
 
Carry said:
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Reading over this thread, I have to agree with everything Nebulous has been saying. I would not want to join a forum ran by these I dont give a shit admins.
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What a ridiculous statement. It's not because people on zetaboards have a little trust in their company that they don't care about their forum. They put a lot of time and work in it. Stop being so judgemental and actually take a look at those boards before you write nonsense like that.



I'm sorry if that comes over as a little blunt, but I honestly do care and I don't like you writing that about me.[/quote]



Get over it. I'd rather be on a forum that could be restored if something bad happened. I'm sorry if that sounds ridiculous to you. It sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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That's not what you said like... at all though. It's perfectly your right to join whatever board you like, but I don't like it if you picture us as admins who don't care about their forums.



@ Nebulous - there's no need to come back to the subject when zetaboards is gone, because my opinion will stay the same. Bad free hosting is too much of a hassle I wouldn't ever put myself or my forum through and at least I enjoyed the run it had on zetaboards, instead of constantly being annoyed. You might still believe in people generous enough to give you quality free hosting, but I certainly don't.
 
I don't think I've ever used a Zetaboard so me commenting would be inappropriate. If I have unknowingly used a Zetaboard, then I don't have an opinion as I didn't know I was using one so
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