I have a question for the liberals who are AGAINST the death penalty for certain crimes because it 'takes a life', whether justly or not, and yet they support abortion.
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Abortion?
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The sad thing here is .. that most young girls who decide to have abortions .. go through one session of obligatory counseling prior to the procedure .. but really have no idea of the lifelong consequences, and the heart break of their decision that at times can haunt them for the rest of their lives.
I think everything, including abortion, is a personal choice that you make and have to live with. And I believe having an abortion will have consequences. Here and now and later. It's a murder, a kill. And similar to you granting permission for someone offering to kill someone for you to pay back whatever was done against you. It's not just yourself you involve in it, but others, too.
Illegal or legal, I don't have a say in that. If it was illegal maybe younger people, for example, would in general think a bit more carefully about being responsible with their lives. Who knows..
Illegal or legal, I don't have a say in that. If it was illegal maybe younger people, for example, would in general think a bit more carefully about being responsible with their lives. Who knows..
I think it is easy as hell to sit on the sidelines with opinions and judgments and try to make rules to govern what other people do based on ones own personal beliefs or the beliefs that they are told to have, but ever situation is different and for me any woman who is faced with the question on this cannot be labelled as a 'murderer' or whatever the heartless anti-abortionists come up with.
I sympathize with the mother, the child and the circumstances which lead to the need for this choice.
I sympathize with the mother, the child and the circumstances which lead to the need for this choice.
How's this?
Whether or not you support or oppose it, it SHOULD BE up to an individual state's voters whether or not it is permitted in their state, and the final decision in each case should rest with the young woman, whatever male 'friend' is involved, her family, her priest, her doctor, and whomsoeverelse she wishes to be involved, and NOT the Federal Government.
Yay or Nay?
Whether or not you support or oppose it, it SHOULD BE up to an individual state's voters whether or not it is permitted in their state, and the final decision in each case should rest with the young woman, whatever male 'friend' is involved, her family, her priest, her doctor, and whomsoeverelse she wishes to be involved, and NOT the Federal Government.
Yay or Nay?
It sets a bad precedent when you start aborting life because of severe conditions. It is still possible to lead a meaningful life, regardless (look at Hellen Keller). Besides that, it goes against self-determination. Just because I am disabled, does not mean other people should decide that I am unfit for life.
DrLeftover said:
Murder is murder it should not be left up to anyone. But if a gun was put to my head to choose I would much rather have the states decide then the federal government.
As the world and America continue into anarchy this murder will continue. As America becomes less self sufficient and believes only government is the answer to our troubles the slaughter will continue. And as that government grows and destroys a free market that gave us the best health care the world has ever known along with the most prosperous the government will get much, much worse at helping the people. That will lead to government pushing propaganda programs to murder the unborn. To murder the weak and the ones "in to much pain" for there own good. To say do the old really deserve the same treatment as the young and strong when there are "limited resources" for the people. Morals disintegrate on the bullshit excuse all those poor born babies will just suffer and all live miserable excuses so we the socialist people of Amerika do not want to teach self responsibility but just murder the problem and be done with it. All these supporters of abortions are just the modern day version of the NAZI Strom-troopers doing the bidding of our good socialist republic and they do not even realize it or know the damage they are doing to humanity.
seasidemike said:
This. I can't say for sure whether abortion is inherently bad or good or whether it's necessary or not. I agree it shouldn't be the easy decision someone comes to if they made a mistake and just don't want to handle the consequences. However, every situation is different and it should be viewed on a case-by-case basis. I don't think we'll ever come to an agreement as a human race. Many people see it as murder or killing while other's view it as the fetus wouldn't be able to survive on it's own anyway up to a point and therefore it is not necessarily "alive". I don't see it as murder to a point, but that's just me. And I believe it should be legal, for the most part, or up to a point in a case-by-case situation.
I get a sad kick out of it when people say it is a personal choice to extinguish a life? By support and there laws the middle east Muslim governments say the same thing that it is a personal choice if the man decides he needs to beat the wife or worse. Now it seems the pro abortion people are the same oppressors as the people who think womens lives are not there own.
I don't view it as murder. I may have been raised in a catholic household, and in school, I was told it was "the true evil". But I think to put the responsibilities of parenthood on a young woman is messed up. We have Government policies that demand that women be forced to birth these children, and then jump ship when it comes to a single-parent trying to raise the child, but struggling due to it being so financially cumbersome.
Raising a child is hard. Yes - some parents will insist it's the best thing to ever happen to them. (Not mine). But that doesn't go for everyone.
If a girl wants the abortion, I say she should be allowed it. It's not my body - it's hers. She should do whatever she wants. And if she doesn't want to have a living being growing inside of her for 9 months, she shouldn't feel compelled.
Raising a child is hard. Yes - some parents will insist it's the best thing to ever happen to them. (Not mine). But that doesn't go for everyone.
If a girl wants the abortion, I say she should be allowed it. It's not my body - it's hers. She should do whatever she wants. And if she doesn't want to have a living being growing inside of her for 9 months, she shouldn't feel compelled.
Perhaps knowing that being a parent is difficult would encourage people to simply refuse to have sex when they clearly incapable of raising a child but since they want their fun without consequences is where this idea that abortion is morally right comes from.
It's not anyone's responsibility but the parents to raise a child. No one should expect everyone to give handouts simply because the two in question refuse to behave responsibly. If people took more responsibility for their actions instead of trying to pass it off on everyone else then we wouldn't have these sorts of problems in the first place.
One thing that's common in all abortion supporters is that they will dehumanize the child and will do or say anything to suggest in their own minds that they aren't taking a human life as if they have a need satisfy their conscience that knows better. If they truly didn't find it wrong then they would not need to do this. In fact, if it was truly right then we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.
It's not anyone's responsibility but the parents to raise a child. No one should expect everyone to give handouts simply because the two in question refuse to behave responsibly. If people took more responsibility for their actions instead of trying to pass it off on everyone else then we wouldn't have these sorts of problems in the first place.
One thing that's common in all abortion supporters is that they will dehumanize the child and will do or say anything to suggest in their own minds that they aren't taking a human life as if they have a need satisfy their conscience that knows better. If they truly didn't find it wrong then they would not need to do this. In fact, if it was truly right then we wouldn't be having this conversation in the first place.
My views have 2 sides to it as I have been on both sides of the coin myself. When I was 10, I was raped and a pregnancy resulted from that. I cannot remember how far along I was nor do I want to remember. The doctor I was seeing told me that I was too under developed to have a healthy child and the odds of me or the baby dying before birth were high and even higher odds of me or the baby dying during birth. It scared the crap out of me and I went through with the abortion. Now I tell people I have no regrets in my life, but truth is... that abortion is the only regret I carry. That baby may have survived... I may have came out of it ok and could of had a 23 year old child now. I miss that baby and wonder about it all the time, what gender it was, what it could have been, how my life might have been. If I had to do it all over again, I would have NOT gone through with the abortion.
When I became an adult, I thought I wanted kids and I tried several times to only find it very hard to get pregnant and when I did get pregnant, I miscarried early on. I was looked at by a doctor and told that due to the abortion I had all those years ago, it caused damage and it would be rare for me to get pregnant, but I'd never have a child. This made me want a child even more, but all the miscarriages took it's toll on me emotionally and mentally. I decided I didn't want kid at all, but then I got pregnant and it stuck! I had my daughter with lil to no problems and she was healthy, happy, and wonderful.
I was told that having that baby straightened out all my problems and I needed to be careful cause it would be easy for me to get pregnant again. I went on birth control, but a few months later, it failed and I got pregnant again. I lost that baby and again it tore me to pieces. I tried to get the doctors to give me a hysterectomy as the one child I had was more than I could handle and I didn't want anymore kids or to go through anymore loss. They refused, saying I had to be 27 years old or have 2 kids already, then they changed my birth control. It worked for a few years and then SURPRISE... I got pregnant with my son will using the birth control properly and a condom. I had a lot of problems with him and he caused me great pain and misery the whole time I was pregnant with him, but I stuck it out because I swore I'd never have another abortion. After I had my son, I asked for a hysterectomy again, but was denied again stating it was bad for me at such a young age and would mess up my hormones. They did a tubal ligation on me instead, saying I wouldn't be able to have kids again.May 2013 I went over to England to visit my boyfriend, but when I got home, I found out I brought home more of England than I wanted to... I was pregnant again! o.o It concerned me as all the articles I read stated that usually a pregnancy after a tubal ligation turns out to be an ectopic pregnancy and that would not only kill the baby, but me as well. I was told that they couldn't find the baby because I was only 3 weeks along, my boyfriend wanted me to 'get rid of it' because he wasn't ready for a child and because he was concerned that it would kill me. I refused. A week later, I learned that I started to lose the baby anyways. I asked for a hysterectomy to be done, but yet again, refused... instead they when in and took both my tubs completely out saying I'd never get pregnant again.
Now I'm concerned as I've heard that before and I don't wanna go through all this pregnancy stuff again! I am searching for a doctor that will grant me a hysterectomy and later on, if me and my boyfriend want a child... we've decided we will adopt.
Ok, so I used to always think that abortion was wrong and that all babies deserve a chance at life... that if the parents didn't want them, they could put the children up for adoption. But the adoption centers are over ran by kids and they are kicking them out left and right with nowhere to go. It's cruel, and that child may grow up to die young by not being self sufficient. I think having a taste of life and then dying is far worse than dying before being born. Same goes for children with illness that will kill them early in life.
So I myself am pro-life... but I don't judge other people and what they do, so if they wanna be pro-choice and go through with an abortion, more power to them. They are the ones that will live with that!
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I'm not anti abortion. I agree it's a womans body. She has to go through pregancy. She is the person who carries all the responsibility.
Next up.. These days with sex being so open. There are more unwanted children. Guys put their rebollox on. Both men and women are irresponsible. So if a woman is forced to go through pregancy. Are men from birth going to have their DNA logged on their birth certificates so they are too, if they don't want to be responsible can be made responsible?
After all I see a lot of men pro life, forced DNA logged on your birth records would make you accountable as well.
Ok guys?
I'm not anti abortion. I agree it's a womans body. She has to go through pregancy. She is the person who carries all the responsibility.
Next up.. These days with sex being so open. There are more unwanted children. Guys put their rebollox on. Both men and women are irresponsible. So if a woman is forced to go through pregancy. Are men from birth going to have their DNA logged on their birth certificates so they are too, if they don't want to be responsible can be made responsible?
After all I see a lot of men pro life, forced DNA logged on your birth records would make you accountable as well.
Ok guys?
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I'm not anti abortion. I agree it's a womans body. She has to go through pregancy. She is the person who carries all the responsibility.
Then that woman needs to get some personal responsibility and keep her pants on or except the responsibility she has created a human life without being a murderer. And lets be clear that is what she is no less then the person who decides they are going to kill another born human.
Next up.. These days with sex being so open. There are more unwanted children. Guys put their rebollox on. Both men and women are irresponsible. So if a woman is forced to go through pregancy. Are men from birth going to have their DNA logged on their birth certificates so they are too, if they don't want to be responsible can be made responsible?
After all I see a lot of men pro life, forced DNA logged on your birth records would make you accountable as well.
Ok guys?
I am good with that.
I think you meant men and women need to take responsibilty. Do you really go around considering it's the woman's responsibility if she (vulgar term) spreads her legs.
Last time I checked it took two to make a baby.Without sperm, which comes shockingly from a male there would be no baby. Oh my the things you learn on Off Topix :tongue:
I think you meant men and women need to take responsibilty. Do you really go around considering it's the woman's responsibility if she (vulgar term) spreads her legs.
Well it is the womans choice to have sex and how to have sex. She is in control from start to finish. So it is the woman responsibility once it happens. But also that is why I have no problem with your DNA idea because the man should be forced to take care of that child also.
Last time I checked it took two to make a baby.Without sperm, which comes shockingly from a male there would be no baby. Oh my the things you learn on Off Topix :tongue:
That is why I am here.
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