What Lies Ahead In A Post-Roe World?

[Prometheus]

No one is ruling out rape victims on getting care. They can get an abortion if they're underage; but, that child doesn't deserve to be punished for that. Carry the child to term and put them up for adoption.

And in response to your question @Webster, then I should not be liable for any medical expenses involved with the procedure and she should have to pay me 18 years worth of child support since I would have been on the hook for it if the roles had been reversed.

 

[Webster]

No one is ruling out rape victims on getting care. They can get an abortion if they're underage

Have you seen some of the abortion ban laws in various states? To the point: no exceptions for rape or incest.

Carry the child to term and put them up for adoption.

In other words, forced birth. That's nice to know.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

No one is ruling out rape victims on getting care. They can get an abortion if they're underage; but, that child doesn't deserve to be punished for that. Carry the child to term and put them up for adoption.

That's like victimizing her twice. Do you know what kind of havoc a pregnancy can wreak on a woman's body? It will never be the same after a full term pregnancy and birthing process. Also lot of women have the potential of dying while giving birth to a child. Why should a woman have to be subjected to that sort of trauma against her will (especially after going through the trauma of being raped)? Women are people too, not livestock. They should be able to call the shots when it comes to their body.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Congress held two hearings today on the impact of last month’s landmark supreme court decision overturning the constitutional right to abortion, in which advocates for and against the procedure made their case to House and Senate lawmakers. Here are some highlights:

A Missouri lawmaker worried the state’s regulations would mean doctors and women alike would face jail for seeking out the procedure..


And a Georgia state representative said the burden of abortion bans would hit Black women and racial minorities the hardest..


Anti-abortion lawyer Erin Hawley, wife of Republican senator Josh Hawley, batted away pro-abortion talking points..


As did Roger Marshall, Kansas’s Republican Senator..

 

[MrDawn]

Wow! Just imagine if we had a dozen or so different kind of birth control options that women and men could use and actually take personal responsibility for your actions.

You're right. Some men who can't afford castrations end up using goat bands. Vasectomies are not 100%, you still risk getting someone pregnant. Even castrated men can still have sex. It doesn't kill the drive. It's agonizing and goes on for days with the band. But it does get the job done. They just need a doctor to amputate their balls after it's done. In fact, there was a story on the news last night about how some guy's girlfriend convinced him to put one on while he was drunk.

Why should I have to get a vasectomy? There's no guarantee you'll be with that partner forever unless you're married so giving up any and all chance at having children for one woman who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own decisions is ridiculous. If she doesn't want kids, then she should take responsibility and get a hysterectomy.

Most relationships and marriages these days last 10 to 20 years. Most couples I talk to day dream about being single again. My mom, after 27 years of marriage, has talked about what she wants to do when my step father passes away and he's in his 70's. My step father was talking to a guy who left his wife after 22 years of marriage.

I divorced my wife after 11 years. I'm wondering if it's even worth getting married again because divorce is expensive.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You're right. Some men who can't afford castrations end up using goat bands. Vasectomies are not 100%, you still risk getting someone pregnant. Even castrated men can still have sex. It doesn't kill the drive. It's agonizing and goes on for days with the band. But it does get the job done. They just need a doctor to amputate their balls after it's done. In fact, there was a story on the news last night about how some guy's girlfriend convinced him to put one on while he was drunk.

Most relationships and marriages these days last 10 to 20 years. Most couples I talk to day dream about being single again. My mom, after 27 years of marriage, has talked about what she wants to do when my step father passes away and he's in his 70's. My step father was talking to a guy who left his wife after 22 years of marriage.

I divorced my wife after 11 years. I'm wondering if it's even worth getting married again because divorce is expensive.

Hell I wasn’t even talking about anything that radical, I’m just talking about cheap effective birth control.

 

[Webster]

I’m just talking about cheap effective birth control.

You mean something like this?

 

[MrDawn]

Hell I wasn’t even talking about anything that radical, I’m just talking about cheap effective birth control.

The IUD chip and the shot work pretty well on women. One girl that I know got pregnant while on the shot. I wonder if she was on Anti Biotics or something when that happened.

 

[Webster]

....remember the story of that 10yo Ohio girl that had to go to Indiana to have an abortion following a sexual assault? Well....

(The Guardian) As Adam Gabbatt reports, the story of a 10-year-old girl who had to travel from Ohio to Indiana to get an abortion after being raped has illustrated the real consequences of the supreme court’s ruling last month overturning Roe v. Wade: In a case that has become a flashpoint in the abortion debate after being highlighted by Joe Biden and baselessly disputed by some rightwing media and politicians, an Ohio man has been charged with raping a 10-year-old girl who later traveled to neighboring Indiana for an abortion.

Gerson Fuentes, 27, who was arrested on Tuesday, appeared in Franklin county, Ohio, municipal court for an arraignment on Wednesday. A police investigator testified at the hearing that Fuentes had confessed to raping the girl at least twice.

The arrest came after rightwing media – and the Republican Ohio attorney general – had poured scorn on reports of the child’s abortion, suggesting it was “not true” and “too good to confirm”.

Man charged with rape of 10-year-old who had abortion after rightwing media called story ‘not true’

Police say Ohio man confessed to raping a girl who went to Indiana for abortion, following the right’s attempts to discredit story

www.theguardian.com

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) A colleague of Indiana doctor Caitlin Bernard, who provided the 10-year-old girl from Ohio with an abortion after her rape, has written an op-ed in The New York Times about how the episode, and the downfall of Roe v. Wade, has affected reproductive health.

Tracey A. Wilkinson, an assistant professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, wrote: Political attacks on abortion providers are, of course, nothing new. And that’s not all that providers and their staff face: They have been targeted, harassed and in some cases even murdered for providing legal health care to their patients; some types of attacks against them recently have increased. This moment, post-Roe v. Wade, feels particularly frightening and is chilling to anyone who cares for patients, especially those providing reproductive health care.

This saga has had real-world repercussions for Dr. Bernard. The local police have been alerted to concerns for her physical safety.

My colleagues and I have watched all this in horror. We are worried that this could happen to us, too. A law that recently went into effect in Indiana mandates that doctors, hospitals and abortion clinics report to the state when a patient who has previously had an abortion presents any of dozens of physical or psychological conditions — including anxiety, depression, sleeping disorders and uterine perforation — because they could be complications of the previous abortion. Not doing so within 30 days can result in a misdemeanor for the physician who treated the patient, punishable with up to 180 days in jail and a $1,000 fine.
-Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ear-old-abortion-rightwing-media-indiana-ohio

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Tucked away in South Carolina’s bill that outlaws abortion is a provision that would make it illegal to provide information of how to get an abortion over the phone or internet.

Such a provision would take abortion bans to an extreme and is probably an indication of how radical anti-abortion laws will be to come.

“These are going to be laws that spread like wildfire through states that have shown hostility to abortion,” Michelle Goodwin, a professor at University of California at Irvine Law School, told the Washington Post, which reported on the provision.

South Carolina currently has six-week abortion ban in place following the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v Wade. The state’s House of Representatives has been considering even stricter legislation after the ruling. The House has convened a special session to pass abortion restrictions.

“Now is a good time. We have children being aborted in our state, as well as the rest of the country, and we have the information,” South Carolina governor Henry McMaster told the State, a newspaper in South Carolina. “It’s time to get on with the discussion and make whatever decisions are necessary.”

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) At least 43 abortion clinics in 11 states have closed since the supreme court eliminated federal protections for the procedure last month, and seven states no longer have any providers, a study published Thursday by the Guttmacher Institute has found.

Prior to the ruling ending Roe v Wade protections on 24 June, the 11 states had a total of 71 clinics providing abortion care, the report says.


As of 24 July, there were only 28 clinics still offering abortions, all located in the four states with six-week bans. Across these 11 states, the number of clinics offering abortions dropped by 43 in just one month.

The seven states no longer offering any abortion provision are Alabama (previously 5 clinics), Arkansas (2), Mississippi (1), Missouri (1), Oklahoma (5), South Dakota (1) and Texas (23 ).

“Obtaining an abortion was already difficult in many states even before the supreme court overturned Roe,” Rachel Jones, Guttmacher’s principal research scientist, said. “These clinic closures resulting from state-level bans will further deepen inequities in access to care based on race, gender, income, age or immigration status since long travel distances to reach a clinic in another state will be a barrier for many people.”

 

[Webster]

*dusts off thread*

(The Guardian) Meanwhile, Republicans are having a surprising amount of trouble passing the abortion bans they have long promised voters if Roe v. Wade is overturned, Maya Yang reports: In the leadup to the US supreme court overturning Roe v Wade and thus scrapping federal abortion protection, Republican lawmakers across the country maintained an uncompromising rallying cry against abortions, vowing to implement a sweeping wave of restrictions in their states.

However, since the highest court in the US overturned the ruling, many Republican leaders and officials have become more hesitant – or have even gone silent – over the exact type of bans they promised to enact.

As Republicans move towards an election season rife with internal disagreements within their own party and mixed public opinions on exceptions in abortion bans such as instances of rape and incest, many rightwing lawmakers are finding it increasingly difficult to implement cohesive abortion policies.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Judge strikes down Michigan’s 1931 anti-abortion law
A judge today struck down a 1931 anti-abortion law in Michigan, months after suspending it, saying, “A law denying safe, routine medical care not only denies women of their ability to control their bodies and their lives – it denies them of their dignity. Michigan’s Constitution forbids this violation of due process.”

The law had long been inactive prior to the overturning of Roe v Wade and made it illegal to perform abortions unless there was a life-threatening emergency.

Judge Elizabeth Gleicher said the law “compels motherhood”, prevents a woman from determining the “shape of her present and future life” and “forces a pregnant woman to forgo her reproductive choices and to instead serve as ‘an involuntary vessel entitled to no more respect than other forms of collectively owned property’”.

Michigan’s Democratic governor praised the ruling, but warned it was likely to be challenged and said there were “extremists who will stop at nothing to ban abortion even in cases of rape and incest”.


The decision comes amid an ongoing court battle that will determine whether another anti-abortion measure is on the ballot before voters in Michigan this year.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Outrage over the end of Roe v Wade has pushed some Republicans to soften their abortion stances as they look to court voters in the upcoming midterm elections, Maya Yang reports: A growing number of Republicans are changing their positions on abortions since the fall of Roe v Wade as midterm elections approach in the US, signaling a softened shift from their previously staunch anti-abortion stances.

Since the supreme court overturned the federal right to abortion in June, many Republicans are adopting more compromised positions in attempts to win votes in key states through a slew of changes in messaging on websites, advertisements and public statements.

The moves comes amid a ferocious backlash to the decision that has seen Democrat hopes in the midterm elections revived and even see a solidly red state like Kansas vote in a referendum to keep some abortion rights.

 

[Webster]

*looks around* Remind us again, @WHO IS SERAFIN (and other forced-birthers) how the Dobbs ruling won't affect other health care services....

(The Guardian) The supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade allowed states to curtail abortion rights completely, potentially transformed the midterms and, as Maya Yang reports, complicated access to other medicines in unexpected ways: A few weeks after the supreme court’s 24 June decision to overturn the nationwide abortion rights established by Roe v Wade, the pharmacy chain Walgreens sent Annie England Noblin a message, informing her that her monthly prescription of methotrexate was held up.

Noblin, a 40-year-old college instructor in rural Missouri, never had trouble getting her monthly prescription of methotrexate for her rheumatoid arthritis. So she went to her local Walgreens to figure out why, standing in line with other customers as she waited for an explanation.

When it was finally her turn, a pharmacist informed Noblin – in front of the other customers behind her – that she could not release the medication until she received confirmation from Noblin’s doctor that Noblin would not use it to have an abortion.

Republican abortion bans restrict women’s access to other essential medicine

Many pharmacies and physicians are forced to deny patients access to drugs, such as methotrexate, that can be used to help induce an abortion

www.theguardian.com

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Idaho’s abortion law is being challenged in federal court, but The Washington Post reports that the impact of the strict measure is already being felt by the state’s universities.

The University of Idaho has advised employees that because the law is not written clearly, it may prohibit employees from offering birth control, and thus they should refrain from doing so.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

*looks around* Remind us again, @WHO IS SERAFIN (and other forced-birthers) how the Dobbs ruling won't affect other health care services....

(The Guardian) The supreme court’s overturning of Roe v Wade allowed states to curtail abortion rights completely, potentially transformed the midterms and, as Maya Yang reports, complicated access to other medicines in unexpected ways: A few weeks after the supreme court’s 24 June decision to overturn the nationwide abortion rights established by Roe v Wade, the pharmacy chain Walgreens sent Annie England Noblin a message, informing her that her monthly prescription of methotrexate was held up.

Noblin, a 40-year-old college instructor in rural Missouri, never had trouble getting her monthly prescription of methotrexate for her rheumatoid arthritis. So she went to her local Walgreens to figure out why, standing in line with other customers as she waited for an explanation.

When it was finally her turn, a pharmacist informed Noblin – in front of the other customers behind her – that she could not release the medication until she received confirmation from Noblin’s doctor that Noblin would not use it to have an abortion.

Republican abortion bans restrict women’s access to other essential medicine

Many pharmacies and physicians are forced to deny patients access to drugs, such as methotrexate, that can be used to help induce an abortion

www.theguardian.com

I can’t read the guardian, but 99% of the states are not restricting health care and have exceptions in case of health and violence. As it should be. The rest will modify their laws as time goes by.

 

[Webster]

I can’t read the guardian

Can't or won't?

but 99% of the states are not restricting health care and have exceptions in case of health and violence.

Sure and conscience clauses are not used to deny healthcare services to women too...

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Harris: supreme court overturning of Roe v Wade 'created a healthcare crisis'
Kamala Harris and Joe Biden are convening the second meeting at the White House of the administration’s Task Force on Reproductive Healthcare Access.

The vice-president condemned the June decision by the right-dominated US Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade, as part of the pivotal Mississippi case Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization and tear up half a century of constitutional abortion rights across the US. “The Dobbs decision created a healthcare crisis in America,” Harris said.

She added: “A woman should have the freedom to make decisions about her own body. The government should not be making these decisions for the women of America.”

Harris noted that if the US Congress could codify the right to abortion previously afforded under Roe, rightwing leaders “could not ban abortion and they could not criminalize providers, so it’s important for everyone to know what’s at stake. To stop these attacks on women, we need to pass this law,” she said.

The vice-president also reminded people that ultra-conservative supreme court justice Clarence Thomas, at the time of the June ruling, appeared to offer a preview of the court’s potential future rulings, and that they may return to the issues of curtailing contraception access and marriage equality, threatening LGBTQ+ rights, on the basis of constitutional privacy rights such as those just ripped up in the overturning of Roe v Wade.

At the same event, the president said that he created the task force in the aftermath of the Scotus decision “which most people would acknowledge is a pretty extreme decision,” in order to take a “whole of government approach” to addressing “the damage” of that ruling. “The court got Roe right nerarly 50 years ago. Congress should codify the protections of Roe and do it once and for all. But right now we are short a handful of votes, so the only way it’s going to happen is if the American people make it happen.

“Meanwhile, congressional Republicans are doubling down on their extreme position with the proposal for a national ban. Let me be clear what that means. It means that even if you live in a state where extremist Republican officials aren’t running the show, your right to choose will still be at risk.”