Thoughts on Homosexuality?

[Banned]

I don't think that's what she meant. We could just re-phrase it as "Why do you disagree with it?"



Of course, I agree. There's no need for Ad Hominem fallacy (name calling). Just interesting to see opposing views if you will.

So now you are her editor, you are now speaking for her?.....interesting.

 

[MrDawn]

So now you are her editor, you are now speaking for her?.....interesting.

Wow wow hey no need to feel offended. Not at all. You just piqued my interest on the subject with your post. I'm in no way attacking you or wanting you to feel that way.

 

[Banned]

Wow wow hey no need to feel offended. Not at all. You just piqued my interest on the subject with your post. I'm in no way attacking you or wanting you to feel that way.

Hahaha...who says that I'm "offended"?

 

[MrDawn]

Here we go right away with the preconceived misconceptions. Right from the opening bell I am being type cast. No...not taking the bait. At least not for now, because I'm not in the mood for a nasty name calling fight.

LBJ said:
So now you are her editor, you are now speaking for her?.....interesting.

LBJ said:
Hahaha...who says that I'm "offended"?

For one this is the debate section of the forum. When you post your opinions in a debate section, you run the risk of someone quoting you and asking why you believe or have an opposing opinion. I think it goes without saying you have to have an open mind. If your mind is closed or you are devoutly faithful to your own beliefs it is advisable to skip this area. This place is a discussion board. If you show a repeated refusal to listen to others views and to evade answering questions honestly, it ceases to become a discussion.

 

[PGen98]

Who says that I'm "so upset"? Here we go right away with the preconceived misconceptions. Right from the opening bell I am being type cast. No...not taking the bait. At least not for now, because I'm not in the mood for a nasty name calling fight.

I apologize for the poor phrasing, I meant no offense and I am genuinely interested in your views. I'm a fan of civil discourse, we can disagree and still talk calmly and openly. If you're up for it, of course.

 

[Banned]

For one this is the debate section of the forum. When you post your opinions in a debate section, you run the risk of someone quoting you and asking why you believe or have an opposing opinion. I think it goes without saying you have to have an open mind. If your mind is closed or you are devoutly faithful to your own beliefs it is advisable to skip this area. This place is a discussion board. If you show a repeated refusal to listen to others views and to evade answering questions honestly, it ceases to become a discussion.

You are rather long winded, where you aware of that? "Repeated refusal to listen to others views" WTF!

 

[zoldos]

I hope everyone realizes that Naiwen isn't going to reply. All she does is make hundreds of one off posts on dozens and dozens of forums and never follows up, except to reply her herself.

 

[PGen98]

You are rather long winded, where you aware of that? "Repeated refusal to listen to others views" WTF!

You didn't answer my post. No one wants this to turn into an argument, please let's keep it civil

 

[Banned]

You didn't answer my post. No one wants this to turn into an argument, please let's keep it civil

I am an experienced poster. I know what happens when you get into a "debate" with staff members. They have the power to edit, delete, lock threads, and ban. As an ordinary member I have none of that. As to Naiwen, she is just playing it smart and won't get into it with staff members either.

 

[PGen98]

I am an experienced poster. I know what happens when you get into a "debate" with staff members. They have the power to edit, delete, lock threads, and ban. As an ordinary member I have none of that. As to Naiwen, she is just playing it smart and won't get into it with staff members either.

I'm giving you my word, as an admin here and as someone with over 25 years of forum experience -- you will not be penalized for your views. I want to hear what you have to say and engage in civil discourse

 

[Banned]

I'm giving you my word, as an admin here and as someone with over 25 years of forum experience -- you will not be penalized for your views. I want to hear what you have to say and engage in civil discourse

O.k. deal but.....you might get your feelings hurt and that thought does not turn me on, tomorrow maybe..................

 

[PGen98]

O.k. deal but.....you might get your feelings hurt and that thought does not turn me on, tomorrow maybe..................

I have heard most of what people have to say, I'm used to it, it doesn't mean I'll lash out because of it. My response will be calm and considerate, but yes, I will likely offer opposing views.

Don't worry about hurting me, for the past 8 months now I've been targeted by a hate group for who I am, you can't offer anything worse than they do. I'm not made of glass

 

[Banned]

I have heard most of what people have to say, I'm used to it, it doesn't mean I'll lash out because of it. My response will be calm and considerate, but yes, I will likely offer opposing views.

Don't worry about hurting me, for the past 8 months now I've been targeted by a hate group for who I am, you can't offer anything worse than they do. I'm not made of glass

Why do you want to get hurt? I'm 71, you know what people of my age group can be like when it comes to this right? How can reading my views do you any good?

 

[PGen98]

Why do you want to get hurt? I'm 71, you know what people of my age group can be like when it comes to this right? How can reading my views do you any good?

Because it's important to share those views, to be free to share those views and to know it's ok to oppose something like this. We have no chance of growth if we stifle debate or opposition. I understand how you feel, trans is strange to people that don't understand it, and it's ok to say it.

 

[Banned]

Just remember this: You asked for it. My views can be summed up this way. A man makes the decision that he wants to become a woman. He then gets breast implants and later on surgery down below.
Next comes the hormone pills, grows his hair long, slaps on makeup, slaps on a dress, and SHAZAAM he's now a woman!

The law and society says that if a man pretends to be a woman, then I must pretend along with them. Uh no, not buying into that....so sorry.

(Now comes the name calling and character assassination)

 

[PGen98]

Just remember this: You asked for it.

Yes, I did

My views can be summed up this way. A man makes the decision that he wants to become a woman. He then gets breast implants and later on surgery down below.
Next comes the hormone pills, grows his hair long, slaps on makeup, slaps on a dress, and SHAZAAM he's now a woman!

Well the order is wrong and not all of us wear dresses or makeup, but the steps are basically right. That said it is an oversimplification and, if you wouldn't object, I'd like to expand a bit on what trans is in my next reply, but only if you're ok with that.

The law and society says that if a man pretends to be a woman, then I must pretend along with them. Uh no, not buying into that....so sorry.

You absolutely do not have to acknowledge who I am, you are within your rights to see me and people like me in any way you wish.

(Now comes the name calling and character assassination)

Not at all, I told you, you have my word it will not come to that.

 

[Ste_Macca]

(except each others, lol)

Spat out my Diet Coke in laughter reading this, thanks

 

[Banned]

@PGen98 well this would be a first, so lay it on me as I'll read it. And oh yes, I will *not* label you as "long winded".

 

[PGen98]

@PGen98 well this would be a first, so lay it on me as I'll read it. And oh yes, I will *not* label you as "long winded".

Thank you for agreeing to read it

So I think it's important to say right off the bat that trans is not just putting on clothes and saying we are women or trans men saying they are men. We were born biologically as male in the case of trans women and none of us denies or hides that. We can't change it, and most of us have obvious physical features because of having to endure male puberty. So, yes, we fully acknowledge what we were born as, and that for most of us we will always stick out like a sore thumb, but that is a price we have to pay to feel just a small fraction like the person we are and should have been.

I'm not delusional, I know I can't magically become a biological woman, it's not possible, but with medication and surgery I can get as close as science allows to feeling at home in my own skin. That is what trans is about for 95% of us. We think, act, feel and relate perfectly with women, because we are female-brained people in male bodies, and same for trans men, male brained people in female bodies. Are there some trans people that take it too far, loose sight of who they are to focus on the fantasy? Of course there are, but those are the outliers, and sadly that is more common to see stories about, because for the vast majority of us we just want to live our lives and be ourselves. We don't want to force people to accept us, we don't want to explode at everyone that misgenders us or uses our old name, we don't even want to make people uncomfortable by using public restrooms.or locker rooms. We just want to live, the same as anyone else, we just happen to be trans and happen to need to live as we truly are.

We live every day of our lives hating ourselves, our brains screaming at us we will never be normal, never fit in, we look ridiculous and everyone is going to laugh at as. Then we get people who yell the same things to draw maximum attention to themselves and us. It's a daily struggle to get out of bed and face the world that, invariably, hates us. We see ourselves in the mirror and have a breakdown. It hurts to see our own skin, hurts to be so far removed from who we are.

We're not looking to pretend to be anything, we just want to feel a little bit more comfortable in our skin and not be treated with hatred and disgust because of it.

 

[Banned]

We live every day of our lives hating ourselves, our brains screaming at us we will never be normal, never fit in, we look ridiculous and everyone is going to laugh at as.

^^^That was hard to read.