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Florida to Eliminate Children's Vax Mandates

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(The Guardian) Florida surgeon general says state will eliminate vaccine mandates for children
Children in Florida will no longer be required to receive vaccines against preventable diseases including measles, mumps, chicken pox, polio and hepatitis, the state’s surgeon general, Joseph Ladapo, announced on Wednesday.

In a speech announcing the move, Ladapo likened vaccine mandates to “slavery”.

Ladapo, hand-picked for the role by Ron DeSantis, Florida’s Republican governor, is a long-time skeptic of the benefit of vaccines, and has previously been accused of peddling “scientific nonsense” by public health advocates.

In his Wednesday speech he said that every state vaccine requirement would be repealed, and that he expected the move would receive the blessing “of God”. “All of them. All of them,” Ladapo said. “Every last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain and slavery.”

www.bbc.com

Florida plans to become first state to ban all vaccine requirements

Vaccine mandates are immoral and akin to slavery, says Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.
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I wonder how many children will die from this?
 
Cam said:
I wonder how many children will die from this?
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Hard to tell, because it’s not like they’ll die immediately if they do get sick from those diseases, or they die 20 years later.

That’s why people don’t believe in things like vaccines because you don’t see the immediate results or repercussions.
 
I'm not anti-vaccine...but with being said, I'm also cautious about vaccines because even though the government tries to tell us they're not harmful, they can be to some. Maybe even many.

I mean, we wouldn't have had to have the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 if they were perfectly safe. It's good to let parents make informed decisions. I refused the Gardasil vaccine for my daughter because she was 12 at the time and 3 girls her age died that same year. No thanks. It wasn't worth the risk.

I don't like how scientists and medical personnel don't want transparency when it comes to how harmful vaccines can be to some. They brush it off and gaslight you. No wonder parents are becoming more and more outraged.
 
Cam said:
I wonder how many children will die from this?
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For the record, only the mandates were eliminated. You can still get the vaccines for your child, you're just not required to.
 
Webster said:
For the record, only the mandates were eliminated. You can still get the vaccines for your child, you're just not required to.
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I think the concern is that parents won't choose to get their children vaccinated at all, and that could potentially cause some deaths if they were to catch certain diseases. Poor people will most likely be more affected if they don't have the option of getting free vaccinations through the state? I'm not sure if Florida ever offered that? I know the state I used to live in gave away free vaccines, but it was usually a 3 to 4 hour wait.
 
KO896 said:
I know the state I used to live in gave away free vaccines
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North Carolina does the same thing for children as well - you can take your child to a pharmacy, doctor's/health care provider, county health dept., urgent care center, etc. - been doing that since the first time of Jim Hunt back in the late 70's. (Hunt for the record served four terms, 1977-1981 and 1981-1985 and then following Jim Martin's two terms, served again as governor from 1993-1997 and 1997-2001).

As an aside: I came back to your forum there, Christianity Haven. :P
 
Webster said:
North Carolina does the same thing for children as well - you can take your child to a pharmacy, doctor's/health care provider, county health dept., urgent care center, etc. - been doing that since the first time of Jim Hunt back in the late 70's. (Hunt for the record served four terms, 1977-1981 and 1981-1985 and then following Jim Martin's two terms, served again as governor from 1993-1997 and 1997-2001).

As an aside: I came back to your forum there, Christianity Haven. :P
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Thanks for giving us some activity on CH. We go through waves and then someone complains that it's a slow forum which makes it even slower after that for a while LOL
 
For real? :ohmy:

I think I can see how this is going to play out. We're talking about whole epidemics with some really nasty stuff coming back that we had under control just by making people get their kids vaccinated.
 
KO896 said:
I think the concern is that parents won't choose to get their children vaccinated at all, and that could potentially cause some deaths if they were to catch certain diseases. Poor people will most likely be more affected if they don't have the option of getting free vaccinations through the state? I'm not sure if Florida ever offered that? I know the state I used to live in gave away free vaccines, but it was usually a 3 to 4 hour wait.
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That's exactly what I would expect. It's no different than my job. My job requires some things, but other things are not required. Naturally I only get what's required and don't get what isn't. That's also me making that decision for myself, I'm not making it for someone else. Little bit different if I were to be making that decision for my child.

If there are no requirements, very few will actually get vaccinated. I get that parents want to be able to make these health decisions for their children, but I think there still needs to be some guardrails.
 
I do believe that pediatricians are still going to talk to parents about childhood diseases.
 
KO896 said:
I do believe that pediatricians are still going to talk to parents about childhood diseases.
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Of course. It will be interesting to see the statistics on this. Florida is just the first state doing this, but more will follow, including my own, I bet.
 
The price of vaccines might be autism. I mean, it's difficult to get anything without a negative price to pay.

Well, if only they could make vaccines and medicines with no side effects, but seemingly they haven't.

Case in point: recently the well advertised drug WeGovy might someone blind.
 
The Jason said:
The price of vaccines might be autism. I mean, it's difficult to get anything without a negative price to pay.

Well, if only they could make vaccines and medicines with no side effects, but seemingly they haven't.

Case in point: recently the well advertised drug WeGovy might someone blind.
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No medicine borne of man is ever 100% safe.
 
Webster said:
Thanks....

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...I believe this was your thread over on the C2, Lamb.... 😎
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Yes, that's me too :) I go by different names now on every forum because of some guy who took advantage of a post exchange and then changed his forum so it looked as if I was on something and approved of it...which wasn't the forum I initially posted on. It's also why I hate when people buy forums now and merge them into forums I never posted on or would sign up on. Gotta be careful these days.


The Jason said:
The price of vaccines might be autism. I mean, it's difficult to get anything without a negative price to pay.

Well, if only they could make vaccines and medicines with no side effects, but seemingly they haven't.

Case in point: recently the well advertised drug WeGovy might someone blind.
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Autism could be the result of so many things, just like cancer. I really don't think it's one absolute thing, and I don't think there is a problem with trying to solve the "why" and "how".

I have a friend who won't admit that she took the weight loss shots, but she had discussed it with me at one point and then one day told me she suffered an eye stroke! Now she's partially blind in that eye and has to go in for shots in the eye for the rest of her life (I don't know how frequently that has to happen). I can't say whether she was actually on any of those medications or if some other medication or vaccine caused it, or if it was natural? But it's not something that I'd want to happen to me! I like seeing.
 
The Jason said:
The price of vaccines might be autism. I mean, it's difficult to get anything without a negative price to pay.

Well, if only they could make vaccines and medicines with no side effects, but seemingly they haven't.

Case in point: recently the well advertised drug WeGovy might someone blind.
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Didn’t they disprove ages ago that vaccines don’t cause autism?
 
Grungie said:
Didn’t they disprove ages ago that vaccines don’t cause autism?
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Yes. It's a false claim.

Scientific studies have overwhelmingly found no link between vaccines and autism. The claim that vaccines cause autism is considered a dangerous and fraudulent medical hoax.
The myth originated from a flawed 1998 study, but extensive research in the decades since has repeatedly debunked the alleged connection. Major medical and public health organizations worldwide, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO), have confirmed the safety of vaccines.

The origin of the false claim
The anti-vaccine misinformation can be traced to a fraudulent 1998 paper published by Andrew Wakefield in The Lancet, a British medical journal.
  • The fraudulent study: Wakefield's paper suggested a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism in a study of just 12 children.
  • Conflicts of interest: A subsequent investigation found that Wakefield had falsified data and had significant undisclosed financial conflicts of interest. He was reportedly paid by lawyers who intended to sue vaccine manufacturers.
  • Retraction and disciplinary action: In 2010, The Lancet fully retracted the paper. The following year, Wakefield lost his medical license and was banned from practicing medicine in the UK.

Scientific evidence debunking the vaccine-autism link
Multiple large-scale, international studies have consistently demonstrated that there is no connection between vaccines and autism.

Studies on the MMR vaccine
  • Danish studies: A study covering over 650,000 Danish children found no difference in autism risk between vaccinated and unvaccinated children. Another large cohort study in Denmark found no link between the MMR vaccine and autism, even among children with an older sibling with autism.
  • US studies: A 2015 study of nearly 96,000 children found no increased risk of autism associated with the MMR vaccine, even for children at a higher genetic risk.

Studies on vaccine ingredients
  • Thimerosal: The mercury-based preservative thimerosal was falsely blamed as a cause of autism. However, multiple studies—including a 2014 meta-analysis—have found no link between thimerosal and autism. Thimerosal was removed from most childhood vaccines by 2001 as a precaution, yet autism rates continued to rise.
  • Antigen load: The notion that receiving multiple vaccines at once could overwhelm a child's immune system has also been disproven. Studies show that the number of vaccine antigens received in early childhood does not increase the risk of autism
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pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Vaccines are not associated with autism: an evidence-based meta-analysis of case-control and cohort studies - PubMed

There has been enormous debate regarding the possibility of a link between childhood vaccinations and the subsequent development of autism. This has in recent times become a major public health issue with vaccine preventable diseases increasing in the community due to the fear of a 'link'...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
Grungie said:
Didn’t they disprove ages ago that vaccines don’t cause autism?
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Didn't they disprove a lot of things though and then to find out that it was true? It is why we can't trust the experts to do their jobs. I mean, the Covid vaccine was promoted as perfectly safe...and yet, it wasn't for many, many people (me for one!).
 
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