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Babies are born gay

Jazzy

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Debate Statement: Babies are born gay.

Debate Question: Do you agree with the debate statement? Why / Why not?
 
To me, this is fact. Yes, you are born gay. You just don't come into your sexuality until you are of that age where sex is something you begin to notice. To tell someone they made a conscious choice to become gay is silly. That's like telling someone they made a conscious choice to become straight. You don't decide these things. You just are what you are.
 
Dee said:
To me, this is fact. Yes, you are born gay. You just don't come into your sexuality until you are of that age where sex is something you begin to notice. To tell someone they made a conscious choice to become gay is silly. That's like telling someone they made a conscious choice to become straight. You don't decide these things. You just are what you are.

Dee's right; one's sexual orientation is not something you choose, no matter what people may say. No one ever woke up one morning and thought, "Hmmm...I think I'll be gay today" nor the reverse, either; you either are or you aren't...period, full stop.
 
Homosexuality is the desire for someone of the same gender as you. It is scientifically impossible for 2 men or 2 women to have a child together. If people with a "gay gene" were born gay they would not have sex (meaning that they couldn't have kids). Thus, if there was a gene for gayness, it would not be passed on. The gene, if it ever existed, would have died out after the first generation. If gayness is a recessive trait, then its increase in the general population would be illogical (real recessive traits like blue eyes have become less common in America over the years).

Furthermore if you were born either gay or straight, how could bisexuals be explained? If people were born gay, then both two of a set of identical twins would be gay. How come there are identical twins where only one is gay?


The answer is that homosexuality is not genetic.
 
Jazzy said:
Homosexuality is the desire for someone of the same gender as you. It is scientifically impossible for 2 men or 2 women to have a child together. If people with a "gay gene" were born gay they would not have sex (meaning that they couldn't have kids). Thus, if there was a gene for gayness, it would not be passed on. The gene, if it ever existed, would have died out after the first generation. If gayness is a recessive trait, then its increase in the general population would be illogical (real recessive traits like blue eyes have become less common in America over the years).

Furthermore if you were born either gay or straight, how could bisexuals be explained?
If people were born gay, then both two of a set of identical twins would be gay. How come there are identical twins where only one is gay?

The answer is that homosexuality is not genetic.

It's the same answer for being gay.  You're just bisexual and therefore attached to males and females.  
 
Let's say that if we were to take a random gay man and we can even set him up with a gay woman and they produce a child. There are no tests that could be done on the child to determine whether it is predestined to be more sexually attracted to either sex, but considering its parents are both gay, it will likely be more open to taking partners of the same sex because that is a precedent set up by its parents.

Heterosexuality and homosexuality are more submission to one's attraction to either sex in spite of the capacity for reproduction. And that attraction has more to do with learning than it does inherent urgings. Many don't understand how fertile the early brain is and just how influential environment is on a developing brain. We do choose, in the end, who we lay with. The evidence for this is in those who sleep only with men or only with women, those who sleep with both men and women and then those who formerly slept only with men or women but now sleep with the opposite. We all at some point find ourselves acknowledging the attractiveness of some one of the same sex but that does not make us gay.

Gay, is a developmental and environmental and one might even suggest a hormonal factor dependent CHOICE, and the same can be said of heterosexual individuals. No one is born gay, just like no one is born loving chicken or hang gliding, they are all acquired tastes, that seem natural enough once you submit to the feelings they arouse.
 
Homosexuality is a genetic, natural outcome. It is not a choice.
 
Dee said:
Homosexuality is a genetic, natural outcome.  It is not a choice.

If people were born gay, then both two of a set of identical twins would be gay. How come only one can turn out gay and the other turn out straight? 
 
Jazzy said:
Dee said:
Homosexuality is a genetic, natural outcome.  It is not a choice.


If people were born gay, then both two of a set of identical twins would be gay. How come only one can turn out gay and the other turn out straight? 

There are countless number of studies that have come out that don't actually prove anything. Much of what the professionals seem to agree on is that they don't know why this is the case. Genetics may play a factor, but it may just be a small one.  It could be hormones introduced into a certain phase, or it also couldn't be.  However, I am not a scientist and therefore I can't tell you why this is the case.
 
As Hillary once said WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE! Live your life not off the back of others and government and we are good! Be whatever you want to be.
 
Dee said:
Jazzy said:
Dee said:
Homosexuality is a genetic, natural outcome.  It is not a choice.


If people were born gay, then both two of a set of identical twins would be gay. How come only one can turn out gay and the other turn out straight? 

There are countless number of studies that have come out that don't actually prove anything. Much of what the professionals seem to agree on is that they don't know why this is the case. Genetics may play a factor, but it may just be a small one.  It could be hormones introduced into a certain phase, or it also couldn't be.  However, I am not a scientist and therefore I can't tell you why this is the case.

So, therefore, you cannot disprove that it's a choice and not genetic, correct? 
 
Depends but I don't think anyone can be gay right after their birth. And I agree with Jazzy on this one, only when the person is mature enough to think about his/her sexual orientation is where he/she might make that decision.
 
~KAGE-008 said:
Depends but I don't think anyone can be gay right after their birth. And I agree with Jazzy on this one, only when the person is mature enough to think about his/her sexual orientation is where he/she might make that decision.

It's not a decision. You can't just decide you're attracted to something you're not & then make it happen.

Gay people are gay because they are hard wired that way & I'm sure if they could choose to be straight and "normal," they'd probably go with that & save themselves the life time of grief.
 
maybe your body has no ''gay'' gene
but maybe your soul is just born gay
 
I think it's something that you develop. You can't help it, but as you are growing up you develop the attraction to the same sex. It's like your favourite colour. Why is it your favourite? Because you like it right? But why? Because it just is. It's the same with homosexuality - it is what it is.
 
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