Bodycam records officer saying a woman run over by Seattle police had ‘limited value’

[Black Angel]

Bodycam records officer saying a woman run over by Seattle police had ‘limited value’​

Daniel Auderer can be heard in the clip laughing about the woman's death and discussing details of the car crash in a call with the Seattle Police Officers Guild's president.


https://www.nbcnews.com/now
Sept. 12, 2023, 4:50 PM EDT

By Janelle Griffith

Seattle police union rank-and-file leaders are under investigation after an officer was recorded on his body camera appearing to make light of the death of a woman who was killed by another officer this year, saying that she “had limited value.”

The Seattle Police Department released footage Monday from Officer Daniel Auderer’s body camera. Auderer left his body camera on after responding to the South Lake Union neighborhood, where a marked patrol vehicle driven by another officer struck and killed Jaahnavi Kandula on Jan. 23. That officer had been responding to a “priority one call,” police said a day after the incident, when he hit Kandula, 23, who had been in a crosswalk.

In the brief clip, Auderer, who is vice president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, is driving and can be heard discussing details of the incident in a call with the guild’s president, Mike Solan.

A vigil for Jaahnavi Kandula, the 23-year-old woman who was hit and killed by a marked Seattle Police Department vehicle.

Auderer said that the officer whose vehicle struck Kandula had been “going 50” and that “that’s not out of control.” According to a police investigation report that was referred to prosecutors for review last month, the officer had been driving at 74 mph and Kandula was thrown more than 100 feet. Seattle police would not confirm details of the collision Tuesday, telling NBC News to submit a public records request for information about the speed at which the officer was traveling, whether he had his sirens on, whether he had faced any discipline and his employment status. The department also would not comment about the phone call between Auderer and Solan.

“That’s not reckless for a trained driver,” Auderer also said in the video, adding that he doesn’t believe “she was thrown 40 feet either.”

“But she is dead,” he said. He later laughs and says, “No, it’s a regular person.” Only Auderer’s statements are audible in the video.

"Yeah, just write a check," he also said and laughed again.

“Eleven thousand dollars. She was 26 anyway,” Auderer said, misstating Kandula’s age. “She had limited value.”

In a statement Monday, the Seattle Police Department said it learned of the conversation not from Auderer, but from an employee who listened to it “in the routine course of business.” That employee was “concerned about the nature of statements” and took their concerns through their chain of command to the chief’s office. After reviewing the video, the chief’s office referred it to the Office of Police Accountability for investigation, as department policy and the city’s accountability ordinance require.

The oversight agency, which investigates police misconduct and recommends discipline to the police chief, is investigating “the context in which” the statements were made and whether any policies had been violated, the police department said.

Katie Maier, the assistant director of operations at the Office of Police Accountability, confirmed an investigation was initiated after the agency received a complaint Aug. 2 from an employee with the Seattle Police Department. Maier declined to comment further citing an ongoing investigation.

Auderer, Solan and the Seattle Police Officers Guild did not immediately return requests for comment.

The Seattle Community Police Commission, another oversight group, described the body camera footage as “heartbreaking and shockingly insensitive.”

“The people of Seattle deserve better from a police department that is charged with fostering trust with the community and ensuring public safety,” the commission said in a statement.
Kandula, who was from India, had been pursuing her graduate degree at Northeastern University in Seattle, according to a GoFundMe that was launched to support her family.
Her uncle, Ashok Mandula, who lives in Texas, told The Seattle Times on Monday: “I wonder if these men’s daughters or granddaughters have value. A life is a life.”

In a statement Wednesday, Kandula’s family said: “It is truly disturbing and saddening to hear insensible comments on the bodycam video from an SPD officer regarding Jaahnavi’s death. Jaahnavi is a beloved daughter and beyond any dollar value for her mother and family. We firmly believe that every human life is invaluable and not be belittled, especially during a tragic loss.”

 

[Black Angel]

If this was what was caught on his bodycam, can you imagine the stuff that wasn't recorded?

This cannot be reformed..

 

[passenger]

What an unspeakable "deal".

Gonna start the whole "Defund the Police" movement again.

 

[Ammi]

…its a desensitisation and dehumanising, almost to view more like a video game than what it actually is…I can’t even begin to imagine how the deceased lady’s family must feel to listen to that…after the loss of their daughter also, it must be like having a knife placed through them…so sad and sickening…

 

[passenger]

…its a desensitisation and dehumanising, almost to view more like a video game than what it actually is…I can’t even begin to imagine how the deceased lady’s family must feel to listen to that…after the loss of their daughter also, it must be like having a knife placed through them…so sad and sickening…

Since this "snippet" became public it has even escalated into an international 'situation' with the Indian government.
We get the Seattle TV news & one little part from the "other side" I've heard is that he was 'chatting' with another cop about the $$$value of the potential lawsuit outcome.
No excuse at all for the whole conversation, but actually does inject a little bit of logic.

 

[Ammi]

…I was reading a few articles about Daniel Auderer, the police officer who made the comment….he’s been a police officer for 12 years and has been investigated for several incidents….

In one incident, Auderer and his brother—a police officer for another jurisdiction—pulled a person out of their apartment without identifying himself as a police officer, failed to inform him of his Miranda rights, and did not report the incident to his bosses. Auderer was suspended for four days for that incident. In another, he chased down someone who was urinating in public and tackled him onto the concrete, injuring him. (Auderer later claimed he was trying to keep the man from running into traffic, which the investigator called “a logical stretch.”

“Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”—Office of Police Accountability investigator

Many other complaints about Auderer involved alleged lack of professionalism. In one case, he threatened to break a person’s arm if he reached for his keys, asked if he was mentally ill, and failed to put a seat belt on him while he was handcuffed in the back of Auderer’s patrol car. Although OPA effectively dismissed the complaints in that case by giving Auderer a training referral, the investigator expressed concern with Auderer’s “general approach to this incident, his demeanor, and the way he interacted with the Complainant. Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”

In another case, which was sustained, Auderer appeared to mock a woman who said she was developmentally disabled and had cognitive challenges that made it difficult for her to remember specific instructions during a DUI test. He then accused her of lying about being a veterinary nurse, suggesting she wasn’t capable of holding such a complicated job. “I know you usually get a reaction out of people, but you’re not going to get a reaction out of me,” Auderer told the woman, who appeared to be responding calmly and reasonably. He then informed another officer that she was “220,” code for mentally ill, in her presence, and said, “You also need to go see your mental health professional and I think you know that.”

….he was also driving at a speed of 75mph in a 25mph zone when his vehicle hit the lady…a staggering speed in what seemed to be a built up pedestrian area…

 

[~ True Legend ~]

This cannot be reformed..

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…I was reading a few articles about Daniel Auderer, the police officer who made the comment….he’s been a police officer for 12 years and has been investigated for several incidents….

In one incident, Auderer and his brother—a police officer for another jurisdiction—pulled a person out of their apartment without identifying himself as a police officer, failed to inform him of his Miranda rights, and did not report the incident to his bosses. Auderer was suspended for four days for that incident. In another, he chased down someone who was urinating in public and tackled him onto the concrete, injuring him. (Auderer later claimed he was trying to keep the man from running into traffic, which the investigator called “a logical stretch.”

“Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”—Office of Police Accountability investigator

Many other complaints about Auderer involved alleged lack of professionalism. In one case, he threatened to break a person’s arm if he reached for his keys, asked if he was mentally ill, and failed to put a seat belt on him while he was handcuffed in the back of Auderer’s patrol car. Although OPA effectively dismissed the complaints in that case by giving Auderer a training referral, the investigator expressed concern with Auderer’s “general approach to this incident, his demeanor, and the way he interacted with the Complainant. Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”

In another case, which was sustained, Auderer appeared to mock a woman who said she was developmentally disabled and had cognitive challenges that made it difficult for her to remember specific instructions during a DUI test. He then accused her of lying about being a veterinary nurse, suggesting she wasn’t capable of holding such a complicated job. “I know you usually get a reaction out of people, but you’re not going to get a reaction out of me,” Auderer told the woman, who appeared to be responding calmly and reasonably. He then informed another officer that she was “220,” code for mentally ill, in her presence, and said, “You also need to go see your mental health professional and I think you know that.”

….he was also driving at a speed of 75mph in a 25mph zone when his vehicle hit the lady…a staggering speed in what seemed to be a built up pedestrian area…

1) A 4-day suspension was lenient in this case. I hope the suspension was unpaid, right? In fact, I think he should have had to carry out unpaid work at the very least.
2) Unprofessional is an under-statement. He was grossly negligent in his duties, violated core health and safety protocol.
3) I think police officers need mental health and invisible disability training. You don't know what support and strategies the person may have in place for handling a "complex" task. Also, at times with disabilities complex things can be easy and easy things can be complex to the person. Society as a whole needs to stop thinking in black and white. Society is a society of human beings, not a zebra of human beings. Often ppl with "cognitive" disabilities think differently and are misunderstood by society.

 

[Black Angel]

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1) A 4-day suspension was lenient in this case. I hope the suspension was unpaid, right? In fact, I think he should have had to carry out unpaid work at the very least.
2) Unprofessional is an under-statement. He was grossly negligent in his duties, violated core health and safety protocol.
3) I think police officers need mental health and invisible disability training. You don't know what support and strategies the person may have in place for handling a "complex" task. Also, at times with disabilities complex things can be easy and easy things can be complex to the person. Society as a whole needs to stop thinking in black and white. Society is a society of human beings, not a zebra of human beings. Often ppl with "cognitive" disabilities think differently and are misunderstood by society.

Don't be surprised if this dude ends up in Florida, DeSantis actually put out an open call for these kinds of cops..

 

[passenger]

…I was reading a few articles about Daniel Auderer, the police officer who made the comment….he’s been a police officer for 12 years and has been investigated for several incidents….

In one incident, Auderer and his brother—a police officer for another jurisdiction—pulled a person out of their apartment without identifying himself as a police officer, failed to inform him of his Miranda rights, and did not report the incident to his bosses. Auderer was suspended for four days for that incident. In another, he chased down someone who was urinating in public and tackled him onto the concrete, injuring him. (Auderer later claimed he was trying to keep the man from running into traffic, which the investigator called “a logical stretch.”

“Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”—Office of Police Accountability investigator

Many other complaints about Auderer involved alleged lack of professionalism. In one case, he threatened to break a person’s arm if he reached for his keys, asked if he was mentally ill, and failed to put a seat belt on him while he was handcuffed in the back of Auderer’s patrol car. Although OPA effectively dismissed the complaints in that case by giving Auderer a training referral, the investigator expressed concern with Auderer’s “general approach to this incident, his demeanor, and the way he interacted with the Complainant. Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”

In another case, which was sustained, Auderer appeared to mock a woman who said she was developmentally disabled and had cognitive challenges that made it difficult for her to remember specific instructions during a DUI test. He then accused her of lying about being a veterinary nurse, suggesting she wasn’t capable of holding such a complicated job. “I know you usually get a reaction out of people, but you’re not going to get a reaction out of me,” Auderer told the woman, who appeared to be responding calmly and reasonably. He then informed another officer that she was “220,” code for mentally ill, in her presence, and said, “You also need to go see your mental health professional and I think you know that.”

….he was also driving at a speed of 75mph in a 25mph zone when his vehicle hit the lady…a staggering speed in what seemed to be a built up pedestrian area…

Sure sounds like a rotten apple to me.

 

[Black Angel]

…I was reading a few articles about Daniel Auderer, the police officer who made the comment….he’s been a police officer for 12 years and has been investigated for several incidents….

In one incident, Auderer and his brother—a police officer for another jurisdiction—pulled a person out of their apartment without identifying himself as a police officer, failed to inform him of his Miranda rights, and did not report the incident to his bosses. Auderer was suspended for four days for that incident. In another, he chased down someone who was urinating in public and tackled him onto the concrete, injuring him. (Auderer later claimed he was trying to keep the man from running into traffic, which the investigator called “a logical stretch.”

“Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”—Office of Police Accountability investigator

Many other complaints about Auderer involved alleged lack of professionalism. In one case, he threatened to break a person’s arm if he reached for his keys, asked if he was mentally ill, and failed to put a seat belt on him while he was handcuffed in the back of Auderer’s patrol car. Although OPA effectively dismissed the complaints in that case by giving Auderer a training referral, the investigator expressed concern with Auderer’s “general approach to this incident, his demeanor, and the way he interacted with the Complainant. Indeed, this is not the first time that OPA has had such concerns. [Auderer] had numerous cases over the last two years in which it was alleged that he was unprofessional.”

In another case, which was sustained, Auderer appeared to mock a woman who said she was developmentally disabled and had cognitive challenges that made it difficult for her to remember specific instructions during a DUI test. He then accused her of lying about being a veterinary nurse, suggesting she wasn’t capable of holding such a complicated job. “I know you usually get a reaction out of people, but you’re not going to get a reaction out of me,” Auderer told the woman, who appeared to be responding calmly and reasonably. He then informed another officer that she was “220,” code for mentally ill, in her presence, and said, “You also need to go see your mental health professional and I think you know that.”

….he was also driving at a speed of 75mph in a 25mph zone when his vehicle hit the lady…a staggering speed in what seemed to be a built up pedestrian area…

We no longer have Miranda rights in this country, it was stuck down a few years ago under Trump, but the cops have skirted this long beforehand by not saying anything to the person they were arresting and then only informed them that they were under arrest after slamming them down.. and then said they were resisting arrest.

They did this many times during the Floyd protests. During and after the protests, both the NYPD and FDNY took part in terrorizing Black and Brown neighborhoods shooting off fireworks and then blaring their sirens throughout the night. Mine included, though not as long as they did others. My old neighborhood was mostly Jewish, but had a very strong presence of both the Ukrainian and Russian "Family Businesses" that they knew not to fuck around with them. So while the NYPD and FDNY terrorized other parts of Brooklyn and the The Bronx until 4 a.m. in my neighborhood, they stopped at around 11 p.m. There was a Twitter account ran by a lawyer named Greg Doucette that basically chronicled all of the abuses by the NYPD during and after the protests.

But yeah, they don't even answer you if you ask them if you are being detained or why, they wait until you walk away and then they get rough with you and shout that you are resisting arrest, even though they didn't say anything when you specifically asked them earlier.

Under the next GOP president we will no longer be a functioning democracy, anymore than we are a first world country now. In fact, GOP lawmakers have been ignoring the SCOTUS rulings they don't like, and the GOP SCOTUS jesters, have been signaling to these lawmakers on how to file certain challenges to the SCOTUS, so that they can rule in their favor.

It is true when they say that the United States is a third world country in a Gucci belt.

And it is going to get worse as more than half of this country reads at a 6th grade level or lower, so even if the people did care and want to stop this, they couldn't because they can't read, and they wont understand anything written above that grade level.

It is bad enough we have people bragging about the fact that they don't read and don't care to understand anything.

So for these reasons, it will get worse.

 

[Black Angel]

Sure sounds like a rotten apple to me.

Yep, and he will be free to remain on the force to spoil the rest of them. Just like the other "bad apples" out there.

 

[Ammi]

We no longer have Miranda rights in this country, it was stuck down a few years ago under Trump, but the cops have skirted this long beforehand by not saying anything to the person they were arresting and then only informed them that they were under arrest after slamming them down.. and then said they were resisting arrest.

They did this many times during the Floyd protests. During and after the protests, both the NYPD and FDNY took part in terrorizing Black and Brown neighborhoods shooting off fireworks and then blaring their sirens throughout the night. Mine included, though not as long as they did others. My old neighborhood was mostly Jewish, but had a very strong presence of both the Ukrainian and Russian "Family Businesses" that they knew not to fuck around with them. So while the NYPD and FDNY terrorized other parts of Brooklyn and the The Bronx until 4 a.m. in my neighborhood, they stopped at around 11 p.m. There was a Twitter account ran by a lawyer named Greg Doucette that basically chronicled all of the abuses by the NYPD during and after the protests.

We no longer have Miranda rights in this country, it was stuck down a few years ago under Trump, but the cops have skirted this long beforehand by not saying anything to the person they were arresting and then only informed them that they were under arrest after slamming them down.. and then said they were resisting arrest.

They did this many times during the Floyd protests. During and after the protests, both the NYPD and FDNY took part in terrorizing Black and Brown neighborhoods shooting off fireworks and then blaring their sirens throughout the night. Mine included, though not as long as they did others. My old neighborhood was mostly Jewish, but had a very strong presence of both the Ukrainian and Russian "Family Businesses" that they knew not to fuck around with them. So while the NYPD and FDNY terrorized other parts of Brooklyn and the The Bronx until 4 a.m. in my neighborhood, they stopped at around 11 p.m. There was a Twitter account ran by a lawyer named Greg Doucette that basically chronicled all of the abuses by the NYPD during and after the protests.

But yeah, they don't even answer you if you ask them if you are being detained or why, they wait until you walk away and then they get rough with you and shout that you are resisting arrest, even though they didn't say anything when you specifically asked them earlier.

Under the next GOP president we will no longer be a functioning democracy, anymore than we are a first world country now. In fact, GOP lawmakers have been ignoring the SCOTUS rulings they don't like, and the GOP SCOTUS jesters, have been signaling to these lawmakers on how to file certain challenges to the SCOTUS, so that they can rule in their favor.

It is true when they say that the United States is a third world country in a Gucci belt.

And it is going to get worse as more than half of this country reads at a 6th grade level or lower, so even if the people did care and want to stop this, they couldn't because they can't read, and they wont understand anything written above that grade level.

It is bad enough we have people bragging about the fact that they don't read and don't care to understand anything.

So for these reasons, it will get worse.

But yeah, they don't even answer you if you ask them if you are being detained or why, they wait until you walk away and then they get rough with you and shout that you are resisting arrest, even though they didn't say anything when you specifically asked them earlier.

Under the next GOP president we will no longer be a functioning democracy, anymore than we are a first world country now. In fact, GOP lawmakers have been ignoring the SCOTUS rulings they don't like, and the GOP SCOTUS jesters, have been signaling to these lawmakers on how to file certain challenges to the SCOTUS, so that they can rule in their favor.

It is true when they say that the United States is a third world country in a Gucci belt.

And it is going to get worse as more than half of this country reads at a 6th grade level or lower, so even if the people did care and want to stop this, they couldn't because they can't read, and they wont understand anything written above that grade level.

It is bad enough we have people bragging about the fact that they don't read and don't care to understand anything.

So for these reasons, it will get worse.

…thank you for explaining in such depth, there is so much that our own media don’t even touch on…they focus on ‘sensationalised’ news….we’ll it’s not even news, really…it‘s just opinion pieces that reflect their own political leanings and stances…while the underbelly of real living is not even touched on, the things that touch every day lives such as policing or medical care etc…from an outsiders perspective, that seemed to come to the fore more in Trump times because it was less about his country and more about his own self serving ego…but our own media focus on Trump and they focus on Biden while the city burns…(…figure of speech, obviously…)…because they don’t really put any focus into the people ….I mean, a story such as this one with this police officer may be covered to project an ‘outrage culture’ but no interest in why this mindset and dehumanisation is present in the police force and so prevalent….

 

[~ True Legend ~]

Don't be surprised if this dude ends up in Florida, DeSantis actually put out an open call for these kinds of cops..

Why is he even a cop??? 😳😡😩

Thank you for your detailed posts btw !

Also did Desantis actually say this, or are you just speculating? Please send a link if he said this, or elaborate if it’s speculation - thanks !

 

[Black Angel]

…thank you for explaining in such depth, there is so much that our own media don’t even touch on…they focus on ‘sensationalised’ news….we’ll it’s not even news, really…it‘s just opinion pieces that reflect their own political leanings and stances…while the underbelly of real living is not even touched on, the things that touch every day lives such as policing or medical care etc…from an outsiders perspective, that seemed to come to the fore more in Trump times because it was less about his country and more about his own self serving ego…but our own media focus on Trump and they focus on Biden while the city burns…(…figure of speech, obviously…)…because they don’t really put any focus into the people ….I mean, a story such as this one with this police officer may be covered to project an ‘outrage culture’ but no interest in why this mindset and dehumanisation is present in the police force and so prevalent….

No problem, and you are right, and to add on to what you said..

This is what happens when 90% of our media be it news, sports or even music is owned by the same 6 companies. They will report on what makes them the most money and with fervor.

Trump brings in ratings which is basically money and these people (since according to SCOTUS companies = people) only care about making money, no matter how damaging it is to our country and democracy. You would think that they would have learned after their non-stop Trump coverage in 2016, but that is not the case. And he has been using the media to intimidate judges and witnesses as much as he has done the same to the GOP in congress. He really has the goods on them.

Thing is though, their money won't save them if the craziest among us burn down the country because of what these companies are doing.. so in the end it will be all for naught..

And True Legend here is what I am referring too.. he did this sometime during covid I dont remember if he did this in response to the Floyd protests..

Ron DeSantis wants to pay anti-vaccine police $5,000 to relocate to Florida

Governor says he will give bonus to officers from other states who have lost jobs by refusing government mandates

www.theguardian.com

DeSantis’s $13.5m police program lures officers with violent records to Florida

Governor’s incentive scheme recruits officers with history of excessive violence or who have been arrested since signing up

www.theguardian.com

but to answer your question about why people like this become cops, it is because after 9/11 people became so scared that states all over the country had lessened the requirement to become a cop from what they were prior to 9/11. Before then you had to have a college degree, be able to pass a psych evaluation and be able to pass the training which at the time I believe was 2 years before you had a gun. Post 9/11 and you only need a h.s. diploma or ged and it is 6 months from the academy before you get your gun.

No college diploma or psych evaluation required.

I have a lot law enforcement in my family across varying ranks that lamented this and predicted that this was going to happen. And it was one of the reasons why they retired after doing their mandatory 20. They saw the writing on the wall almost immediately after 9/11.

It now takes more training to be make up artist or cosmetologist or beautician than it does to be a cop and it is more dangerous to be one than a cop since violent crime had been trending downward over the last 2 decades.

What happens instead is that what does happen gets hyped up to get reactions..

But as we know feelings aren't facts.

 

[Ammi]

…didnt Trump, through his presidential rallies also state that he would pay legal fees for anyone who used violence against any of his protesters at the rallies…?…i mean, how could violence not thread and weave all through many police forces when that behaviour is being not only endorsed but encouraged by a President…

 

[Black Angel]

…didnt Trump, through his presidential rallies also state that he would pay legal fees for anyone who used violence against any of his protesters at the rallies…?…i mean, how could violence not thread and weave all through many police forces when that behaviour is being not only endorsed but encouraged by a President…

Yep.

And in true Trump fashion, he reneged.

The man is notorious for not paying his bills. Which is why American banks wouldn't loan him anything and why only the Russian banks would.

Case in point, before he announced his candidacy, he sued Atlantic City for the right to remove his name off of his failed casinos there leaving the AC tax payers a hefty $20M debt. He left the casinos bankrupt and then used thst bankruptcy as a reason to have his branding removed to save his image. And almost immediately after the verdict, announced his candidacy.

He goes through more trouble trying NOT to pay his bills than he would if he paid them. This is probably why he goes through his staff and lawyers like Kleenex.

New Yorkers have long known that he was a conman for his entire life.

 

[Ammi]

Yep.

And in true Trump fashion, he reneged.

The man is notorious for not paying his bills. Which is why American banks wouldn't loan him anything and why only the Russian banks would.

Case in point, before he announced his candidacy, he sued Atlantic City for the right to remove his name off of his failed casinos there leaving the AC tax payers a hefty $20M debt. He left the casinos bankrupt and then used thst bankruptcy as a reason to have his branding removed to save his image. And almost immediately after the verdict, announced his candidacy.

He goes through more trouble trying NOT to pay his bills than he would if he paid them. This is probably why he goes through his staff and lawyers like Kleenex.

New Yorkers have long known that he was a conman for his entire life.

…and yet, some still think of him as the one true president…the messiah lol….he really is a worrying cult…

 

[Black Angel]

…didnt Trump, through his presidential rallies also state that he would pay legal fees for anyone who used violence against any of his protesters at the rallies…?…i mean, how could violence not thread and weave all through many police forces when that behaviour is being not only endorsed but encouraged by a President…

In my hurry, I forgot to mention earlier, that it is much worse than that, and this goes farther back than Trump himself, but there is a man being paid by the police to train (read: radicalize) police officers around the country to believe that they are in a war, and to be killing machines, and to look at everyone else as the enemy. And it was found that under his training, there have been an increase of violent interactions between civilians and the police. And I remember reading somewhere that he might've trained the unit that killed George Floyd.

I forget the man's name, but I know it was covered on Last Week Tonight.. here is that segment..

 

[Ammi]

In my hurry, I forgot to mention earlier, that it is much worse than that, and this goes farther back than Trump himself, but there is a man being paid by the police to train (read: radicalize) police officers around the country to believe that they are in a war, and to be killing machines, and to look at everyone else as the enemy. And it was found that under his training, there have been an increase of violent interactions between civilians and the police. And I remember reading somewhere that he might've trained the unit that killed George Floyd.

I forget the man's name, but I know it was covered on Last Week Tonight.. here is that segment..

…ahh, that’s a restricted vid, sadly so I can’t access it…that all sounds terrifying, though…but it does feel as though ‘serve and protect’ is not something that is trained anymore…obviously in the U.K., like every other aspect…we only hear of these isolated negative incidents…we don’t have the balance of positives….our own police force, though has become something that the public aren’t trusting anymore…

 

[passenger]

…ahh, that’s a restricted vid, sadly so I can’t access it…

This MAY NOT be one of those "country/location" restrictions???????

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