Cloudflare Drops Controversial Troll Site

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Troll site dropped by internet infrastructure firm after threats
Internet infrastructure company Cloudflare has bowed to public pressure and blocked malicious community forum Kiwi Farms after it systematically targeted trans people for harassment and an “escalation” in the number of threats made on the site.

Kiwi Farms is a notorious website that coordinates trolling campaigns against individuals and has recently begun targeting trans people and activists.

Members of the community singled out Canadian Twitch streamer and activist Clara Sorrenti by repeatedly posting their personal information online and making fake calls to emergency service providers in order to send law enforcement to her home.

Cloudfare CEO Matthew Prince initially resisted a community campaign pressuring his company to stop providing services to Kiwi Farms, saying previous efforts to take action against far-right websites 8chan and Daily Stormer set a precedent that prompted authoritarian regimes pressuring it to act against human rights websites. -- Just as the telephone company doesn’t terminate your line if you say awful, racist, bigoted things, we have concluded in consultation with politicians, policymakers and experts that turning off security services because we think what you publish is despicable is the wrong policy. To be clear, just because we did it in a limited set of cases before doesn’t mean we were right when we did. Or that we will ever do it again.

But in a post to Twitter on Sunday Prince said his company had taken action after “the threats on the site escalated in the last 48 hours” and “it became enough of an imminent emergency” that they could not wait for law enforcement to act.

 

[PGen98]

It bugs me that they did it because of threats against their own service, so much so they were worried about imminent threats. I hate Kiwi Farms, I want them gone so badly, but that's not the way to do it.

 

[Nebulous]

I've checked out that forum a few times. Expected to see more shocking stuff than what I did see, kind of underwhelming. Seems like a pretty busy forum though.

 

[PGen98]

I've checked out that forum a few times. Expected to see more shocking stuff than what I did see, kind of underwhelming. Seems like a pretty busy forum though.

It's disgusting enough. They quite literally hunt down people they don't like. They'll find them, out them, dox them, and in the case of people like Keffals, they'll make legitimate threats on their lives. It's a disgrace places like that exist.

 

[Nebulous]

It's disgusting enough. They quite literally hunt down people they don't like. They'll find them, out them, dox them, and in the case of people like Keffals, they'll make legitimate threats on their lives. It's a disgrace places like that exist.

I'm sure I would have saw some of that stuff if I dug deeper into the site. I just read a few discussion threads and it looked like any other forum. Doxing people isn't cool. I wouldn't be on any forum that allowed that.

 

[PGen98]

I'm sure I would have saw some of that stuff if I dug deeper into the site. I just read a few discussion threads and it looked like any other forum. Doxing people isn't cool. I wouldn't be on any forum that allowed that.

Yeah, they like to go after anyone that they don't like, for any reason, and one of their main targets are trans people at the moment, so...you can imagine the things they say, the lengths they go to out trans people. It's a disgusting place.

 

[Nebulous]

Yeah, they like to go after anyone that they don't like, for any reason, and one of their main targets are trans people at the moment, so...you can imagine the things they say, the lengths they go to out trans people. It's a disgusting place.

Seems like the entire internet is targeting trans people, which is unfortunate.

 

[PGen98]

Seems like the entire internet is targeting trans people, which is unfortunate.

It can absolutely feel that way at times! There are plenty of good people, still, but yeah, trans is definitely the hot button subject of the moment, and most vocal are those who have no idea what being trans is all about. Typical.

 

[Nebulous]

It can absolutely feel that way at times! There are plenty of good people, still, but yeah, trans is definitely the hot button subject of the moment, and most vocal are those who have no idea what being trans is all about. Typical.

I always have this theory that anyone who is anti LGBT and extremely vocal about it, are actually undercover LGBT people themselves. They just can't embrace that lifestyle for whatever reason they may have and choose to lash out at everyone else because they are jealous.

 

[PGen98]

I always have this theory that anyone who is anti LGBT and extremely vocal about it, are actually undercover LGBT people themselves. They just can't embrace that lifestyle for whatever reason they may have and choose to lash out at everyone else because they are jealous.

Oh absolutely! The old "me think thou doth protest too much!"

 

[Nebulous]

Oh absolutely! The old "me think thou doth protest too much!"

Exactly! There's a certain member here who I think might fall into this category

 

[PGen98]

Exactly! There's a certain member here who I think might fall into this category

I understand hiding it, it takes a lot to come out and be open, but then you find the amazing people who support you and are in the community, it's one of the greatest feelings to just be yourself. If that particular person ever did...

 

[Vaeve]

I always have this theory that anyone who is anti LGBT and extremely vocal about it, are actually undercover LGBT people themselves.

Uhhhhhh what?

 

[PGen98]

Uhhhhhh what?

Pretty simple, usually the people who scream the loudest against something usually are or are envious of that thing. In this case we're talking about the LGBTQ+ community and the current hatred received from the right.

 

[Vaeve]

Pretty simple, usually the people who scream the loudest against something usually are or are envious of that thing. In this case we're talking about the LGBTQ+ community and the current hatred received from the right.

Or... you know, the simplest reason can be they just hate them? Trying to be edgy or jumping on the bandwagon for the sake of it? So how about every racist white person ever, or fat shamers? They aren't that minority and they DEFINITELY aren't envious. Lmao I can't tell if I'm being trolled rn or not.

 

[PGen98]

Or... you know, the simplest reason can be they just hate them? Trying to be edgy or jumping on the bandwagon for the sake of it? So how about every racist white person ever, or fat shamers? They aren't that minority and they DEFINITELY aren't envious. Lmao I can't tell if I'm being trolled rn or not.

It's more tongue in cheek than simple text allows. We're well aware of the fact most people that speak out against LGBTQ+ people are legitimately against us, but there are also those who do it as cover for their own proclivities. There have been countless people caught doing the exact thing they were supposedly against, it happens.

 

[Vaeve]

It's more tongue in cheek than simple text allows. We're well aware of the fact most people that speak out against LGBTQ+ people are legitimately against us, but there are also those who do it as cover for their own proclivities. There have been countless people caught doing the exact thing they were supposedly against, it happens.

I see, that's peculiar. I've heard of LGBT people criticizing/self-hating so they don't look "suspicious", but never full on hate. Makes sense but hard to grasp around.

 

[PGen98]

I see, that's peculiar. I've heard of LGBT people criticizing/self-hating so they don't look "suspicious", but never full on hate. Makes sense but hard to grasp around.

Most of them are closeted/repressed, they don't want to be out because they don't want the 'stigma' associated with any of the labels.

 

[Nebulous]

I understand hiding it, it takes a lot to come out and be open, but then you find the amazing people who support you and are in the community, it's one of the greatest feelings to just be yourself. If that particular person ever did...

Indeed, no need to hide especially on an anonymous internet forum.

Uhhhhhh what?

Yup, plenty of anti-LGBT people have later been exposed for being LGBT themselves, getting caught doing shady sex acts and whatnot. There's endless news stories about it.

 

[PGen98]

Indeed, no need to hide especially on an anonymous internet forum.

Yep, there's nothing to fear from the community side of things, it's all love on this side!

Yup, plenty of anti-LGBT people have later been exposed for being LGBT themselves, getting caught doing shady sex acts and whatnot. There's endless news stories about it.

Absolutely! So, so many stories about that, it's hilarious when it happens. Just be yourself, people can think what they want, it doesn't change you. Why people feel the need to be so far removed from themselves as to join the 'other side,' only to have that fall apart on them...it's astoundingly stupid and yet astoundingly common!