Me too. And those were the pretense he was fired on. His classes didn't say a thing though, which I can't believe, for six years. Until finally one student did. Our teacher actually taught one of his relatives. She didn't dare get into an argument with him about it. His whole family was set on the idea. And they apparently let it be known, sharing these false ideas with other people.
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Criminalization of Holocaust denial
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I work at a school. Teachers dont really get much freedom to teach whatever they want. I have to follow the guidelines and teach the materials provided to them. Regardless if they agree with it or not. They are entitled to have their own opinions, however if they teach whatever they want, they arent doing their job.
So I just found out Canada does have a law against Holocaust denial.. As do many other countries.
Yes, it is serious.
In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.
Holocaust denial was made illegal in Belgium in 1995.
May 2007 Ekrem Ajanovic, a Bosniak MP in the Bosnian Parliament proposed a legislation on criminalizing the denial of Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity. This was the first time that somebody in Bosnia and Herzegovina's Parliament proposed such a legislation. Bosnian Serb MP's voted against this legislation and proposed that such an issue should be resolved within the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[14] Following this, on 6 May 2009 Bosniak MP's Adem Huskic, Ekrem Ajanovic and Remzija Kadric proposed to the BH parliament a change to the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina where Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity denial would be criminalized.[15] Bosnian Serb MP's have repeatedly been against such a legislation claiming that the law would cause disagreement and even animosity according to SNSD member Lazar Prodanovic.
In addition to Holocaust denial, negationism of communist purported atrocities is illegal in the Czech Republic.
(I'm getting tired of quoting the actual criminal code of it, if you want one of a certain country, let me know..
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.
MAX 5 years.
There are about 20 other countries on the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again ... ust_denial
Yes, it is serious.
In Austria, the Verbotsgesetz 1947 provided the legal framework for the process of denazification in Austria and suppression of any potential revival of Nazism. In 1992, it was amended to prohibit the denial or gross minimisation of the Holocaust.
Holocaust denial was made illegal in Belgium in 1995.
May 2007 Ekrem Ajanovic, a Bosniak MP in the Bosnian Parliament proposed a legislation on criminalizing the denial of Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity. This was the first time that somebody in Bosnia and Herzegovina's Parliament proposed such a legislation. Bosnian Serb MP's voted against this legislation and proposed that such an issue should be resolved within the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina.[14] Following this, on 6 May 2009 Bosniak MP's Adem Huskic, Ekrem Ajanovic and Remzija Kadric proposed to the BH parliament a change to the Criminal Code of Bosnia and Herzegovina where Holocaust, genocide and crimes against humanity denial would be criminalized.[15] Bosnian Serb MP's have repeatedly been against such a legislation claiming that the law would cause disagreement and even animosity according to SNSD member Lazar Prodanovic.
In addition to Holocaust denial, negationism of communist purported atrocities is illegal in the Czech Republic.
Law Against Support and Dissemination of Movements Oppressing Human Rights and Freedoms (2001)
§ 260 (1) The person who supports or spreads movements oppressing human rights and freedoms or declares national, race, religious or class hatred or hatred against other group of persons will be punished by prison from 1 to 5 years. (2) The person will be imprisoned from 3 to 8 years if: a) he/she commits the crime mentioned in paragraph (1) in print, film, radio, television or other similarly effective manner,he/she commits the crime as a member of an organized group c) he/she commits the crime in a state of national emergency or state of war
§ 261 The person who publicly declares sympathies with such a movement mentioned in § 260, will be punished by prison from 6 months to 3 years.
§ 261a The person who publicly denies, puts in doubt, approves or tries to justify nazi or communist genocide or other crimes of nazis or communists will be punished by prison of 6 months to 3 years.
(I'm getting tired of quoting the actual criminal code of it, if you want one of a certain country, let me know..
In France, the Gayssot Act, voted for on July 13, 1990, makes it illegal to question the existence of crimes that fall in the category of crimes against humanity as defined in the London Charter of 1945, on the basis of which Nazi leaders were convicted by the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg in 1945-46. When the act was challenged by Robert Faurisson, the Human Rights Committee upheld it as a necessary means to counter possible antisemitism.
MAX 5 years.
There are about 20 other countries on the list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_again ... ust_denial
Well I'm just showing you that to dozens of other countries, words alone are enough to be subjected to jail time. What's the difference here? They are free societies. People voted for those laws.. So that must say something.
Words have such high meaning.. You don't even believe.
Words have such high meaning.. You don't even believe.
Words only have meaning to those who let the words affect them. Personally I'm happy to live in a country that allows people to say what they want, no matter how stupid and offensive it may be. If we outlawed everything that was insensitive or offensive then we wouldnt be allowed to say anything as anyone can find something to take offense to in any statement. If a group of people decided to redefine the word hello and made the new definition into some extremely hateful discriminatory hate slur.. Should we make saying it illegal as well?
Nebulous said:
Essentially yes, if that was the context the word hello was uses in. It's just like nig***. But there is a line that would be clearly outlined. I don't want to ban stupidity.. I want to ban ignorance. There is no reason someone should deny the holocaust happened. We could draw the line to ban the n***** word when used in it's deflammatory context. With the freedom of speech, you are also given the right to remain silent. With rights come responsibilities. It's not just free will. If so, America would be a much uglier place. If we don't draw an obvious line, more and more things will be let be. Eventually much more common ignorance will be ignored. Where do you draw the line the other way? There has to be a point where you stand up and say-- NO That's wrong. You cannot say that. This is an obvious line.
But I'm going to bed. I'll reply back to whatever you post later.
May I ask what makes the Holocaust more important or special over the many other atrocities that have occurred throughout human history beyond the numbers of deaths occurred during the atrocity?
Of course not! It's fascist & sick to outlaw a person's opinion. Everyone has the right to freedom of speech & therefore should not be arrested for expressing their opinion, no matter how incorrect it might be. It's disgusting that we live in a world where someone would even consider such a thing.
sbfc said:
Yes but they have the right to be idiots.
sbfc said:
Yes but they have the right to be idiots.[/quote]
Nothing stopping them being idiots no, just they don't get any respect from the majority of people... who aspires to be an idiot anyway?[/quote]
We're talking about criminalizing thought here.It doesn't matter what they look like, your statements are irrelevant.
civilwarrocks said:
Yes but they have the right to be idiots.[/quote]
Nothing stopping them being idiots no, just they don't get any respect from the majority of people... who aspires to be an idiot anyway?[/quote]
We're talking about criminalizing thought here.It doesn't matter what they look like, your statements are irrelevant.[/quote]
How do you explain a vast majority of European countries have made this illegal, with punishments sometimes upwards of 10 years? What do you think their opinion on reasoning is? Obviously, a vast majority of European countries think banning it is important. Look: Even now you aren't free to say anything you want. You may think you can, but you can't. Like if I was going to say I was going to kill all n******* (no offense meant.. Just a point) I would get in trouble with the law. You may think I won't, but when your voice infringes on the rights of other people, it IS ILLEGAL. This isn't stupidity. It is much more. It is ignorance to all those that have died.
