Donald Trump Indicted In Georgia Over 2020 Election

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Indictment unsealed and Trump reportedly incited
The documents have been unsealed, CNN reports, and show that US President Donald Trump has been indicted for a fourth time.

The Guardian has not confirmed this yet.

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The indictment is 98 pages and includes Trump’s name, as well as 10 others, including Rudy Guiliani, Don Eastman, Mark Meadows, Geoffrey Clark, Ray Smith and Robert Cheley, CNN reports.

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Trump indicted for a fourth time
Donald Trump and several allies have been indicted in Georgia, accused of scheming to illegally overturn his 2020 election loss in the state. It’s the fourth criminal case to be brought against the former president and the second to allege that he tried to subvert the results of the vote.

The Fulton County grand jury indictment of Trump follows a two-year investigation ignited by a January 2021 phone call in which the then-president suggested that Georgia’s Republican secretary of state could help him “find 11,780 votes” needed to reverse his narrow loss to Democrat Joe Biden.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Nineteen people have been indicted by the grand jury, including Donald Trump.

The defendants are:
-Donald Trump,
-Rudolph Giuliani,
-John Eastman,
-Mark Meadows,
-Kenneth Chesebro,
-Jeffrey Clark,
-Jenna Ellis,
-Ray Stallings Smith III,
-Robert Cheeley,
-Michael a. Roman,
-David Shafer,
-Shawn Still,
-Stephen Lee,
-Harrison Floyd,
-Trevian c. Kutti,
-Sidney Powell,
-Cathleen Latham,
-Scott Hall,
-Misty Hampton

They are charged with violating the Georgia RICO (racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations) act.

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23909543/23sc188947-criminal-indictment.pdf

 

[Daltonio]

Honestly I'm not complaining but damn, it's hard to even keep track of all of these now. They really wanna take him down this time, lol.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) What Is This Case About?
While we wait to hear from Fulton county district attorney Fani Willis, here is a refresher on what the case is about.

Donald Trump lost Georgia in the 2020 presidential election. After the election, Trump and his allies made an aggressive push to invalidate the election results in Georgia as part of an effort to overturn the election results.

On 2 January 2021, Trump called Brad Raffensperger, the Republican who serves as Georgia’s top election official, and asked him to overturn the election. “All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state,” Trump said to Raffensperger on the call. Raffensperger refused.

The call came as Trump and allies, including Rudy Giuliani, were spreading outlandish lies about the election in Georgia in order to seed doubt about the results. Most notably, Giuliani and others amplified misleading surveillance video from State Farm Arena they claimed showed election workers taking ballots out from under a table and counting them after observers left for the evening. The claim was false – counting had not stopped for the evening when the ballots were tallied.

Just as he did in other swing states, Trump convened a slate of fake electors in Georgia. The group of 16 people met discretely in the Georgia capitol in December 2020 and signed on to a certificate affirming Trump’s victory that was sent to the National Archives. Some involved in the scheme have said they merely believed they were preserving Trump’s options amid pending litigation. The alternate slate of electors, both in Georgia and elsewhere, would later become a lynchpin of Trump’s effort to overturn the election.

One of those fake electors, Cathy Latham, also was involved in a separate incident in which Trump allies obtained unauthorized access to Dominion voting equipment. On 7 January 2021, Latham helped a firm hired by the Trump campaign get access to voting equipment in Coffee county, a rural county 200 miles south-east of Atlanta. The data was uploaded to a password-protected site, where other election deniers could download it as they sought to prove the baseless allegation that Dominion voting machines had been rigged and cost Trump the election.[/B]

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Fulton county prosecutors propose Trump trial to begin March 2024
The Fulton county district attorney, Fani Willis, has proposed a trial commencement date of 4 March 2024 for Donald Trump and his 18 co-defendants in the Georgia election interference case.

Willis also asked to schedule arraignments for the defendants for the week of 5 September, according to a court filing.

DocumentCloud

www.documentcloud.org

 

[Black Angel]

And now he is threatening both the judge, DA, witnesses and grand jury..

Anyway as awesome as the indictment news is, I don't feel good about it.

This man has been known as the "Teflon Don" for longer than I've been on the planet..

Nothing sticks to this guy and I don't expect this to be different.

That said, while what he is doing is incredibly stupid.. I can't help but wonder why.

Either:

A. He has been given a guarantee that he will win in 2024 and be installed for life.

B. He got a bad call from the doctor and is absolutely sure that he won't survive the sentence (Pause.. and just in case, Dear NSA/FBI/NCIS/CSI/DHS/WTF/ETC this isn't a threat, I am NOT stupid, have TSA PreCheck and this dude ain't worth my freedom.. or ability to travel without waiting in line at a checkpoint..) I am not wishing this on him or anyone, but the dude is like 80 and the last few years haven't been kind to him so he hasn't been looking too good.

C. He is going to flee the country before he is supposed to turn himself in.

He managed to fleece his supporters for $250M this came out during the J6 hearings..

And he still hasnt stopped fleecing them with his charade since he lost in 2020.. he has fundraised after the first indictments came down.. so its not like he is broke. He may not be the multi-billionaire he's claimed to be and his supporters think he is, but he can still flee the country and since he has a chokehold on 30% of the country, that is more than enough people with the ability to look the other way if/when he decides to make a move.

D. He is hoping, with long-shot odds, that possibly that someone, somewhere will call into question his ability to stand trial based on his actions lately and over the past few years.. and is hoping for a Hail Mary insanity plea.

Either way, I refuse to believe that he is that fucking stupid to be threatening the judges, jury, witnesses and officials since he's been indicted.

He can't really be that stupid can he?

 

[DrLeftover]

And then somebody is going to have to deal with the fact that Trump CAN NOT get a fair trial On This Planet.

 

[Black Angel]

I dunno, He just might have to take Bezo's cock rocket to Mars..

He can't really rely on Musk with his..

*checks notes*

"rapid unscheduled disassembly.."

Really, so many words for a simple explosion.. whatever happened to keeping it simple?

 

[MrDawn]

I would suggest that they had better act fast because once he becomes president, all he has to do is snap his fingers and those charges will get dropped.

 

[Webster]

Either way, I refuse to believe that he is that fucking stupid to be threatening the judges, jury, witnesses and officials since he's been indicted.

How 'bout Option E: he's doing what he's doing because he's a rich white dude who thinks his shit don't stink and he can do whatever the fuckall he wants without repercussions and because of that goes as far out as he can to test the limits of the law.

Well, one of these days he's gonna piss off the wrong judge (my money's on Judge Chutkin and I'm not a gambling man, just for the record) and they're gonna throw his ass behind bars, Secret Service be damned.

 

[Webster]

And then somebody is going to have to deal with the fact that Trump CAN NOT get a fair trial On This Planet.

Well, no one's ever tried a former President of the United States for anything substantive either but don't let that stop ya'.

 

[Webster]

I would suggest that they had better act fast because once he becomes president, all he has to do is snap his fingers and those charges will get dropped.

For federal charges, probably.
For state charges? Unless he can get the charges remanded to federal court, no and fuck no.

 

[Webster]

And now he is threatening both the judge, DA, witnesses and grand jury..

Here's a good reason he's doing it...

(The Guardian) Fears over rise in calls to violence after latest Trump indictment
A Texas woman has been charged with threatening to kill the federal judge presiding over former president Donald Trump’s criminal case in Washington DC over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election. Abigail Jo Shry, 43, left a voicemail at US district judge Tanya Chutkan’s chambers on 5 August in which she used a racial slur and threatened her, saying “If Trump doesn’t get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you, so tread lightly, bitch”, according to a court document. She also allegedly threatened to kill “all democrats in Washington DC and all people in the LGBTQ community”, according to the court filing.

On the day before the threatening phone call, Trump had posted on his social media platform, Truth Social: “If you go after me, I’m coming after you!” The former president has intensified attacks against those individuals involved in the many indictment against him, including Chutkan and Fani Willis, the Fulton county district attorney who is prosecuting him over efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia.

Hours after Willis had released the indictments on Monday night, Trump accused prosecutors of pursuing the wrong criminal targets using the word “riggers”, a thinly veiled play on the N-word. Trump’s allusion to the racial slur was immediately picked up by his supporters on far-right platforms, and Willis – who is African American – has faced a flurry of racist online abuse.

Calls to violence have proliferated across far-right sites since the charges were made public on Monday night. The purported names and addresses of members of the Georgia grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 of his allies were posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News reported.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Georgia prosecutor Fani Willis faces racist abuse after indicting Donald Trump
Fani Willis, the Fulton county district attorney in Georgia who is prosecuting Donald Trump and 18 other allies over efforts to overturn the 2020 election, is facing a flurry of racist online abuse after the former president attacked his opponents using the word “riggers”, a thinly veiled play on the N-word.

Hours after Willis had released the indictments on Monday night, Trump went on his social media platform Truth Social calling for all charges to be dropped and predicting he would be exonerated. He did not mention Willis by name, but accused prosecutors of pursuing the wrong criminal targets. “They never went after those that Rigged the Election,” Trump wrote. -- They only went after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!

Willis is African American. So too are the two New York-based prosecutors who have investigated Trump, the Manhattan district attorney Alvin Bragg who indicted him in April over alleged hush-money payments, and Letitia James, the state attorney general who is investigating Trump’s financial records. Trump’s allusion to the racial slur was immediately picked up by his supporters on far-right platforms including Gab and Patriots.win. The sites hosted hundreds of posts featuring “riggers” in their headlines in a disparaging context.

The word has also been attached to numerous social media posts to Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shaye Moss. The two Black poll workers from Atlanta were falsely accused by some of the 19 defendants in the Fulton county case of committing election fraud during the 2020 vote count, and the indictment accuses Trump allies of harassing them.

 

[DrLeftover]

"where's that damned reality RESET button?"

Oh, here it is:

There's a difference between that and a CONVICTION.

 

[Black Angel]

How 'bout Option E: he's doing what he's doing because he's a rich white dude who thinks his shit don't stink and he can do whatever the fuckall he wants without repercussions and because of that goes as far out as he can to test the limits of the law.

Well, one of these days he's gonna piss off the wrong judge (my money's on Judge Chutkin and I'm not a gambling man, just for the record) and they're gonna throw his ass behind bars, Secret Service be damned.

Why does this look like I posted this? LOL

Anyway you're right..

But what if everyone that is supposed to do their jobs on this, simply refuses to do so and they just decide to look the other way.

I think relying on what people should do and taking that as gospel is what got us in this mess in the first place.

But we are now a long ways away from 2016.. and so the game has changed..

What happens if the people in charge, who know what they should do with someone like Trump, simply decides not to do so, in the same way some people are refusing to seat duly elected people and ignoring SCOTUS rulings regarding voting because they didnt like the result.. kinda like that chick that refused to certify Biden's election night win after the Electoral College put in their votes..

I think we are getting a lot closer to the possibility where the law and its institutions are no longer legitimate.

What do we do then?

We have nearly 350M people here and roughly 30% of them support and would continue doing so if he shot their own mother or grandmother..

So what do we do if 116M people decided not to do their jobs, in the relevant positions just to protect Trump? Be they Police, Judges, TSA, even those that work in the travel industry and at the airport.. the rot that is his cult is deep. And anyone can get sucked into it.. just as much as they can get sucked into any other cult.

He is probably in a better position to make his escape with their help and defect to Russia, just like Tara Reade and others did. I sincerely doubt he'd go to Russia, he owes them money. But the same is true for any country that has no extradition treaty, but supports Trump and isn't friendly to the U.S.

I don't mean to be cynical here, but I am genuinely curious.

 

[Webster]

simply refuses to do so

Jury nullification? Could happen.

 

[Black Angel]

So either way, he walks.

 

[Webster]

they just decide to look the other way.

Too many people do that already, especially if you're (a) rich, (b) white, (c) male or (d) all of the above.

 

[Webster]

So either way, he walks.

That's a possibility, but the more Trump dances on that razor's edge of criminality, Angel, the higher the odds are that he falls off and gets convicted.
No one can beat the odds forever.