Ferguson resident: "No jobs, no peace, period"

[Jazzy]

The grand jury investigating the fatal shooting of Michael Brown, an unarmed black man, by a white police officer, Darren Wilson, will meet again next Wednesday to hear more evidence.

The funeral for Michael Brown, who was 18, will be held Monday.

Lesley McSpadden, Brown's mother, grieved Friday where her son was killed.

Twenty feet away, were three neighborhood protestors -- Donny, Tray and Luciano, all in their early 20s.

"I'm tired of being looked at as another species, like we ain't even human," said Donny.

They say Ferguson stores were burned and looted for a reason.

Tray said he wanted to loot. "I wanted to go, but I held my ground."

Donny and Trey are working musicians. Luciano's going to technical school, but they've all had run-ins with the law.

In Ferguson, the unemployment rate for black men between ages 20 and 24 is 46 percent.

"If they don't come and restore these neighborhoods for these people, like, we have to travel miles to go to Wal-mart and to get gas and stuff like that, when they used to be right here in the community. For people who stay here there's going to be hell to pay," said Luciano.

The men said it isn't easy to make a living in St. Louis. There are a lot of frustrations; that is one of them.

"That's why people [are] looting, it's cause they can't get no jobs," said Tray.

John Bonds, a former local gang member, now acts as a bridge between protestors and police. He says the real issue is opportunity.

"They know how to paint, they know how to cut grass, they can clean, they can vacuum, tear down the ones that don't need to be there... give us those jobs, set it up to and we can do," said Bonds.

No jobs, no peace?

"No jobs, no peace, period," said Bonds.

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Your thoughts?

 

[+paradox]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

Its easy for us fortunate because we started at the bottom of the bottom. Had no high school education. Was homeless. worked for a company the first four years picking up trash. Took every class at night they offered. Worked my way up in management to be in control of millions of dollars for budgets. To eventually have my own successful business and be sitting here typing this enjoying the fruits of my labor and 20 years of hard work having a frapuchino in the mall while my wife gets a ungodly expensive haircut. Just they are not willing to do what is needed to have it. And now my money has to pay for there entitlements while they enjoy burning down a town.

 

[Fatal Dawn]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

Actually, I find myself agreeing with Smooth and TrueLiberty. From experience I know how hard it can be to find gainful employment, but the worst thing you can do is to be idle and expect opportunities to be handed to you. Personally, I find the community to be the biggest asset for economically disadvantaged job hunters because you can network, explore the resources around you, attend job fairs, etc. The irony is that these are the same neighborhoods targeted for violence and acts of destruction. The real privileged people don't live in those neighborhoods, but the victims of the looters' aggression are just small business owners trying to earn a living.

I understand the hardships faced by the unemployed and the underemployed, first hand. But the residents are going about it the wrong way. Searching for jobs takes everything Smooth mentioned and more -- patience, resilience, motivation, strategy, etc. Obviously hard work is not all -- some people are simply luckier than others -- but in this case, reactionary outbursts of violence is definitely not helping their cause.

 

[Sinon]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

And it'll be even harder to get a job with looting/rioting on your criminal record.

There's no other word for the people who do that. They're losers, plain and simple. And if that's their reaction to an event that is probably unrelated (guy who got shot was black, so therefore black people get mad? I guess) I can fully understand why black members of society there are unemployed. If their reaction to things is as heated as this all the time, I wouldn't want to hire them either.

I spent over a year unemployed after losing my job due to the company I worked for going under. I finally managed to get a job through perseverance, and it's not the best job. But as TRUE LIBERTY says, you start at the bottom, and work your ass off to get better. I'm taking a company-funded management course. They put me on it because I proved I had a good work ethic, and customers enjoyed being served by me. I showed I had the skills, and they're going to help me get the qualifications. It wasn't handed to me, I worked for it.

Something these people obviously aren't doing.

 

[+paradox]

oh, this will be fun... (;

brb...

 

[+paradox]

So, if the residents there aren't handed jobs on a silver platter, their plan is to riot, loot and commit other acts of violence? I'm sure that will get them just what they're looking for. *insert eyeroll here*
acts of violence? by looting and destroying property? the looters weren't hurting nobody, so how is it an act of violence? i agree, it's wrong to loot and destroy property... maybe the few bad apples took advantage of the situation? but how can you say that just because there were rioters and looters, that they represent the people's feelings about police brutality, government corruption, and the situation that this country is in and/or that police is out of control... because if you think the united states of america ain't in trouble then you're blind...

It takes an education, then effort, work, diligence and time to get a job.
that is 100% inaccurate, which many successful people didn't have/need an education to become a millionaire or to get a job... you can get a job and not have a education, then work your way up...

I don't see any of them willing to do what it takes to get a job. They're more willing to do violence than anything. And they think it's the white race keeping them down? What a joke. What a pathetic, laughable joke.
you don't see any of them willing to do what it takes to get a job? who are you talking about and how do you know anyways? do you know everyone in this country and know their situation and if no jobs are out there for them? and that most people want a job, but can't get a job for a reason or two? the people that looted and damaged property isn't what this is all about, and the people that actually did do peaceful protests, with out violence, don't represent the few looters that did damage, so please spare me the crap that this is all about the looters when this is about police brutality and police being out of control...

 

[+paradox]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

Its easy for us fortunate because we started at the bottom of the bottom. Had no high school education. Was homeless. worked for a company the first four years picking up trash. Took every class at night they offered. Worked my way up in management to be in control of millions of dollars for budgets. To eventually have my own successful business and be sitting here typing this enjoying the fruits of my labor and 20 years of hard work having a frapuchino in the mall while my wife gets a ungodly expensive haircut. Just they are not willing to do what is needed to have it. And now my money has to pay for there entitlements while they enjoy burning down a town.
just because you are more fortunite than others, that still doesn't mean everyone can be successful like you or others... it's impossible for everyone to be successful and rich in this world... it's not set up like that... the system is evil and wicked... set up on purpose and a reason... and that's a fact... right now there's more adult americans then jobs for them... and on top of that there's millions of illegal aliens that have jobs here in this country that are taking away from americans that needs/wants a job... there's so many college graduates that can't get/find a job today... but i guess they are a bunch of losers as well... give me a break... *rolls eyes like a spoiled brat*

 

[+paradox]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

Actually, I find myself agreeing with Smooth and TrueLiberty.
how sad...

From experience I know how hard it can be to find gainful employment, but the worst thing you can do is to be idle and expect opportunities to be handed to you.
who? if there's more adult americans than jobs then how are you expecting no unemployment? and why do you think people out there trying everyday to get a job and put in applications and never get a call, and when they do not get a call how do you know it's their fault? maybe there's hundreds or thousands of resumes, but only one can be picked... those people that didn't get picked ain't losers because they try and got denied...

Personally, I find the community to be the biggest asset for economically disadvantaged job hunters because you can network, explore the resources around you, attend job fairs, etc.
what? did that even make sense? anyways, how is it possible for everyone in this country that's an adult to have a job when there's not enough jobs out there to do so?

The irony is that these are the same neighborhoods targeted for violence and acts of destruction. The real privileged people don't live in those neighborhoods, but the victims of the looters' aggression are just small business owners trying to earn a living.
as well as law abiding citizens that are peacefully protesting against an just cause... and being attacked by the same people that they are peacefully protesting about... the irony, right?

I understand the hardships faced by the unemployed and the underemployed, first hand.
i think you think you do but have no idea what people are going through that are more less fortunate then you or you have ever been in your life... you probably never suffered as much as so many americans have when they are innocent, law abiding americans that just simply can't land a job... i agree there's bad apples and lazy, worthless people out there, but how can you class everyone in one class when it's not even close of being such a thing...

But the residents are going about it the wrong way. Searching for jobs takes everything Smooth mentioned and more -- patience, resilience, motivation, strategy, etc. Obviously hard work is not all -- some people are simply luckier than others -- but in this case, reactionary outbursts of violence is definitely not helping their cause.
it's not about people having jobs or not, or about the looters, this is about police brutality and police being out of control, as well as the government, and that the police is hurting and killing americans... like i said before, there's more adult americans than there's jobs in this country, and on top of that, illegal aliens working here...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

acts of violence? by looting and destroying property? the looters weren't hurting nobody, so how is an act of violence? i agree, it's wrong to loot and destroy property... maybe the few bad apples took advantage of the situation? but how can you say that just because there were rioters and looters, that they represent the people's feelings about police brutality, government corruption, and the situation that this country is in and/or that police is out of control... because if you think the united states of america ain't in trouble then you're blind...

Lots of acts of violence, lots of destruction and people were hurt. Oh and it was hardly just a few bad apples. And I can say they represent the people because hardly any spoke out against it.

Over 200 arrested. And that does not include the ones who got away. The ones detained and let go.

At least 10 people, including three officers, suffered injuries

Ferguson Sunday night when angry MOBS began smashing windows, setting fires and looting businesses in the area.

Police Chief Tom Jackson said someone in a yellow pickup truck fired shots at officers while circling a WalMart parking lot.

Police said shots were also fired at a police helicopter in the area.

According to police, two men were assaulted at a Phillips 66 in the 1100 block of Riverview during the riots.

Police say three suspects used a bat to injury a 54-year-old man who attempted to stop them for leaving the store with stolen merchandise.

According to St. Louis County police, 32 people were arrested Sunday night, 10 for looting and 22 for destruction of property, and 15 people were arrested during a protest in Ferguson Monday morning.

Police also responded to reports of shootings throughout the area. At one point, windows of a News 4 live truck were smashed out by the angry crowd.

One witness told News 4 a group of people attempted to steal an ATM from a gas station.

News video and amateur video from the scene captured mobs of crowds racing into stores and businesses and then rushing out with armloads of stolen goods.

Tuesday night, the unrest continued with five shootings and 12 arrests throughout the St. Louis area. The incidents occurred hours after Rev. Al Sharpton urged for calm throughout the area.

Tuesday night, a woman was taken to an area hospital after being shot in the head by a low caliber bullet, she is expected to survive. Police also transported an 18-year-old, 20-year-old and unidentified person after separate shootings in north St. Louis County and Jennings.

News 4’s Scott Thomas said police showed restraint Wednesday night, but then began to use the tear gas when objects were thrown at them.

that is 100% inaccurate, which many successful people didn't have/need an education to become a millionaire or to get a job... you can get a job and not have a education, then work your way up.

This I can agree on fully. It would have maybe made life a little easier though. But then again maybe given me a path not to my liking.

you don't see any of them willing to do what it takes to get a job? who are you talking about and how do you know anyways? do you know everyone in this country and know their situation and if no jobs are out there for them? and that most people want a job, but can't get a job for a reason or two? the people that looted and damaged property isn't what this is all about, and the people that actually did do peaceful protests, with out violence, don't represent the few looters that did damage, so please spare me the crap that this is all about the looters when this is about police brutality and police being out of control...

[/quote]If these two men can make something successful of there lives then all those people with plenty of time to protest and destroy a town have zero excuses on why they need to live of the government dime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=usuQAYE2ASo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS5xy7iHJ6o&feature=player_detailpage

 

[+paradox]

it's easy for the fortunate to tell "losers" to just "get a job"...

well, it's not that easy if there's no jobs!

And it'll be even harder to get a job with looting/rioting on your criminal record.
i think you're mistaken, that there were more bad people that were looting and damaging property than there were good, law abiding americans protesting against a just cause... there were women and children there as well, and those innocent women and children got attacked by the police because they were peacefully protesting... now don't put the people that looted into the mix and get it confused on what this is all about... if i were there protesting, i would not be apart nor representing the people that were looting...

There's no other word for the people who do that. They're losers, plain and simple.
i agree... people that are out of control are losers, but they weren't hurting anyone physically... at the same time you must have a reality... there's always going to be the bad apples that ruin something for the rest... this is about police brutality, not looters...

And if that's their reaction to an event that is probably unrelated (guy who got shot was black, so therefore black people get mad? I guess) I can fully understand why black members of society there are unemployed.
this is happening all over the country, and it's nothing new and not just black people or poor people... but it's a proven fact that the poor and blacks get profiled and harassed by the police... like i said before, there's not enough jobs for every adult american...

If their reaction to things is as heated as this all the time, I wouldn't want to hire them either.
this is so racist i can't believe it, and you're black, "them people"? haha, who are "them people" because last time i checked, people from every race are unemployed and that doesn't necessarily mean they are losers or dead beats, plus there's no jobs... where are the jobs at? you class some people doing something as all people that loom like them must do the same thing, that's so wrong that i could puke...

I spent over a year unemployed after losing my job due to the company I worked for going under.
in that time of your life, how would you feel if i told you that you're a loser and trash because you don't have a job due to you couldn't land one?

I finally managed to get a job through perseverance, and it's not the best job.
good for you, what does this have anything to do with police brutality?

But as TRUE LIBERTY says, you start at the bottom, and work your ass off to get better.
true, but how is it possible for everyone to do so when there's not enough jobs for everyone?

I'm taking a company-funded management course. They put me on it because I proved I had a good work ethic, and customers enjoyed being served by me. I showed I had the skills, and they're going to help me get the qualifications. It wasn't handed to me, I worked for it.
that's good for you, but not everyone has the opportunity to do that...

Something these people obviously aren't doing.
again, who are "these people" you speak of? and how do you know that those people that are protesting have jobs? why are you assuming and making your assumptions as facts when it's clearly not... please...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

i think you're mistaken, that there were more bad people that were looting and damaging property than there were good, law abiding americans protesting against a just cause... there were women and children there as well, and those innocent women and children got attacked by the police because they were peacefully protesting... now don't put the people that looted into the mix and get it confused on what this is all about... if i were there protesting, i would not be apart nor representing the people that were looting...


i agree... people that are out of control are losers, but they weren't hurting anyone physically... at the same time you must have a reality... there's always going to be the bad apples that ruin something for the rest... this is about police brutality, not looters...

But they were hurting people and destroying lives. And can you show me these kids that were attacked by the police. Something tells me the stupid parents had them mixed in with the dangerous rioters

this is happening all over the country, and it's nothing new and not just black people or poor people... but it's a proven fact that the poor and blacks get profiled and harassed by the police... like i said before, there's not enough jobs for every adult american...

Cry me a river all Americans in todays society are profiled but you dont see the rest of society burning down there neighbors house to even a score.

true, but how is it possible for everyone to do so when there's not enough jobs for everyone?

There may not be a lot of high paying jobs in this crappy economy but thanks to obama care there are plenty of low paying part time jobs. Its just easier to take government check then actually work hard for years and move up.

I wish I could find the government study I have been looking for they just concluded. The very obvious conclusion to this study was if the government does not provide entitlements people magically find jobs when before they said they could not. Its just amazing!

I'm taking a company-funded management course. They put me on it because I proved I had a good work ethic, and customers enjoyed being served by me. I showed I had the skills, and they're going to help me get the qualifications. It wasn't handed to me, I worked for it.
that's good for you, but not everyone has the opportunity to do that...

If you have the will everyone does have that opportunity. Again these two men prove it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=usuQAYE2ASo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hS5xy7iHJ6o

 

[Bluezone777]

So because you can't get a job that makes it right to hold hostage the businesses and by extension the people who do have a job to go to from getting to and doing their job all because you don't have one? It couldn't have been the education that wasn't taken seriously or that criminal record that are the problem now as that makes far too much sense for the people justifying the looting. I imagine if you dug into the stories of these people that you will see a common thread of education not being taken seriously along with a criminal record and substance abuse. None of that is attractive to those wanting to hire people to do work.

 

[DrLeftover]

They must have gotten jobs.