How would you feel?

[Kahnai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ULdaSrYGLQ​

I'd feel terrible...

 

[Sinon]

Eh, I've gotten over the whole equal rights thing, honestly. People aren't ready, and that won't be changed by promotional videos or conjecture.

Plus I don't really care for marriage on a base level >.>

 

[Kahnai]

I respect your opinion, but equal rights isn't something you just get over. It's something every man, woman, and child (regardless of race) is entitled to. Denying someone basic freedoms isn't something that can be ignored.

 

[Sinon]

Oh I agree with freedoms and such. I'm just kind of sick of it being lauded everywhere. I don't think people will change their beliefs just because you show them a video, or hold a parade. Change takes a long time, but gay marriage and gay rights will come soon enough, I think. From my understanding it's mainly older people who disagree, whereas younger people are generally more accepting.

And I've gotta be honest, I don't see the big deal with marriage >.> I mean sure it'd be nice to marry my girlfriend, but... I'm not losing anything by not being able to. I view marriage in all its forms to be gaudy and overly expensive, so yeah.

 

[Kahnai]

I personally am not a big fan of marriage either. However there are people who take marriage very seriously so I do my best to respect that.

I have an aunt and uncle right now who have been together since before I was born (I'm 24 right now) and they're not married yet. Nor (do I think) they plan to. However that doesn't make his girlfriend any less my aunt in my opinion.

Yea for the younger people though. So basically (as horrible as this sounds) we just have to wait for the ignorant old farts to eventually die off.

But you're right, no amount of videos or propaganda will change anyone's mind. I just happen to really like this vid.

 

[Evil Eye]

I'd feel terrible...

I'd move to... uhm, here I guess

Yea for the younger people though. So basically (as horrible as this sounds) we just have to wait for the ignorant old farts to eventually die off.

I dunno... plenty of ignorant youngsters to go around. They tend to be more vocal too.

 

[DrLeftover]

I don't care how you "feel".

What do you THINK?

 

[Fatal Dawn]

And I've gotta be honest, I don't see the big deal with marriage >.> I mean sure it'd be nice to marry my girlfriend, but... I'm not losing anything by not being able to. I view marriage in all its forms to be gaudy and overly expensive, so yeah.

The ceremony is just one aspect of it, but there's a myriad of rights that extend from having your marriage legally recognized. This is what same-sex couples are more concerned about. I see your point, however; outside of legal status, there is still some form of 'marriage' as long as you have two consenting people who love each other.

I respect your opinion, but equal rights isn't something you just get over. It's something every man, woman, and child (regardless of race) is entitled to. Denying someone basic freedoms isn't something that can be ignored.

Just to play devil's advocate, but doesn't that call into question the definition of what constitutes basic freedoms/natural rights? There is hardly ever full agreement on what constitutes basic freedoms/natural human rights (hence why so many definitions exist).

For detractors of same-sex marriage, the right to marriage does not hold the same weight as say the right to life. The right to life is used in all definitions as it is universal and afforded to everyone while marriage is somewhat institutional. Restrictions on marriage for example may extend beyond sexual orientation; children have the right to life, but cannot marry, for example. There are some churches which grant the right of marriage to same-sex couples. And while someone would not tolerate violence against another person based on sexual orientation, they do not view marriage in the same light.

 

[Kahnai]

I believe human rights should involve anything that leads to you being happy.​

Now before I stop there. Ones happiness should not involve harming others physically or mentally.

We have rights to education, marriage, work, free-time, food, health facilities, etc.

If a person wishes to do something that does not hurt you they should have the right to do it. Things falling into the category of harming would be, killing, rape, stealing, belittling, harassing, etc.

Based on this view, marriage is a right because it makes the people happy who get married (at least in the moment). It also does not harm other people for them to be married. Just because something annoys you doesn't mean it's harming you.

Thus, I firmly believe marriage is a right in which we are all entitled to should we choose to get it done.

 

[Fatal Dawn]

But even the many 'rights' you have listed are institutionalized. Many would argue (and have argued) that education, healthcare, and work (assuming employment) are not natural rights. To quote Locke, natural rights are freedoms that exist in a state of nature before any societal institutions. And institutions really muddle things. Unlike life and liberty for example, marriage is technically a legal contract and not necessarily a natural human right.

 

[Kahnai]

But these are my rules for rights. Not other peoples.

 

[DrLeftover]

I wish we all still had the right to be left alone.