if gun laws won't stop gun crime, how is outlawing abortions going to stop abortion

[+paradox]

I'm pretty sure the baby is apart of a woman's body until that baby is out of their mother's body...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

The concern I have with private charity is how consistently and thoroughly you can apply it. There was a thread a while back where someone suggested the idea of privatizing welfare into a voluntary system: http://offtopix.com/showthread.php?tid=615&highlight=system

Though flawed, I'd personally rather fall back on a social safety net as opposed to the volition of some charitable individuals. Public or private charity, I think some government supervision is needed so we know where the money is actually going.

A recent story:

Harrisburg City Treasurer accused of stealing thousands from Lighten Up charity

Harrisburg's City Treasurer allegedly stole more than $8,400 from a charity to pay for his personal medical and college expenses, according to court documents released Tuesday.

Dauphin County District Attorney Ed Marsico Jr., announced two theft charges, one felony and one misdemeanor, against John R. Campbell, 26, at a news conference Tuesday morning. Campbell is expected to surrender to authorities in a day or so, Marsico said.

The investigation began last week when officials from the charity, Lighten Up Harrisburg, reported their suspicions to county investigators. The charity officials said they had reconciled their checkbook in July to present a ceremonial check to the city to pay for much needed streetlights. The process revealed the charity's balance was lower than it should have been.

Thats the whole purpose it should be inconsistent. People need a incentive to stay off of charity and not expect it to always be there but instead a privilege and rare thing if you do need help.

And corrupt charities can be prosecuted our corrupt government wasting our tax dollars never is held accountable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCNuF4_wey4

 

[+paradox]

True liberty is all about protecting a future human being but as soon as it leaves the mother then you say screw them... lol... sounds legitimate...

You say you don't want the government to force their own morality on you yet you want to force your own upon others...

And I'm not wrong, you're the one that says the crap that you say... you make yourself look like a joke by trying to defend your immortality and heartless opinions...

You could not be more wrong. I choose individuals to freely help people. Not a federal government under the power of a gun to force there version morality on me.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I'm pretty sure the baby is apart of a woman's body until that baby is out of their mother's body...

Its a individual life and has the same rights to keep that life like you and me. If a mother does not want that responsibility keep your legs closed.

 

[+paradox]

And once that baby is born then you disown it...

What about rape victims?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And once that baby is born then you disown it...

What about rape victims?

I disown it?

No not rape victims. She was forced to do something she had no control of.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

True liberty is all about protecting a future human being but as soon as it leaves the mother then you say screw them... lol... sounds legitimate...

You say you don't want the government to force their own morality on you yet you want to force your own upon others...

And I'm not wrong, you're the one that says the crap that you say... you make yourself look like a joke by trying to defend your immortality and heartless opinions...

You could not be more wrong. I choose individuals to freely help people. Not a federal government under the power of a gun to force there version morality on me.

I missed this.

I dont and want to do no such thing. Do not create a life you do not want otherwise do absolutely as you please with that life of yours.

What makes people look like a complete and utter joke is when people just cant stay on topic with the subject without making it personal.

Good for you but you still support force by the power of a gun to force a version of governments morality on others.

 

[+paradox]

Who said I was for or against abortion anyway?

But you have clearly made your stance that you're for the protection of an unborn human but when that human is born then that human shouldn't eat...

 

[+paradox]

It's fun watching true liberty flip flop on issues when I point out flaws in his arguments...

 

[Fatal Dawn]

To throw in another example (to what +Justice said about rape pregnancies), what if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother? Now you're weighing the rights of a potential life against an actual life. For pro-choice advocates, abortion is largely a women's health issue. It's about self preservation and having that right to make decisions about the health and security of one's own person. It's really not that different from gun rights arguments in that sense. If someone closed down gun shops and took away your guns, you're left without any means of defending yourself. Your right to self protection and self preservation is compromised. Your ability to make decisions that protect your person is taken away even if you were not going to exercise that ability.

Thats the whole purpose it should be inconsistent. People need a incentive to stay off of charity and not expect it to always be there but instead a privilege and rare thing if you do need help.

And corrupt charities can be prosecuted our corrupt government wasting our tax dollars never is held accountable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCNuF4_wey4

Aren't there some incentives already? Some states have only temporary assistance, limiting the amount of time you can be on welfare. Also what happens to those who are disabled or elderly and are receiving long-term assistance? Regardless, I wholly recognize and agree and that corruption is probably a bigger problem in the public sector.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It's fun watching true liberty flip flop on issues when I point out flaws in his arguments...

Have not done any such thing. Or have you found any flaws. please show me these flaws.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

To throw in another example (to what +Justice said about rape pregnancies), what if the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother? Now you're weighing the rights of a potential life against an actual life. For pro-choice advocates, abortion is largely a women's health issue. It's about self preservation and having that right to make decisions about the health and security of one's own person. It's really not that different from gun rights arguments in that sense. If someone closed down gun shops and took away your guns, you're left without any means of defending yourself. Your right to self protection and self preservation is compromised. Your ability to make decisions that protect your person is taken away even if you were not going to exercise that ability.

Thats the whole purpose it should be inconsistent. People need a incentive to stay off of charity and not expect it to always be there but instead a privilege and rare thing if you do need help.

And corrupt charities can be prosecuted our corrupt government wasting our tax dollars never is held accountable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TCNuF4_wey4

Aren't there some incentives already? Some states have only temporary assistance, limiting the amount of time you can be on welfare. Also what happens to those who are disabled or elderly and are receiving long-term assistance? Regardless, I wholly recognize and agree and that corruption is probably a bigger problem in the public sector.

Yes states have some incentives but the federal government just fills in where the states don't all the time.

 

[DrLeftover]

25 Aug
Police Probe First Midwest Bank Robbery

Police in Danville are continuing their investigation into a bank robbery which occurred late this morning (Monday, August 25th). Public Safety Director Larry Thomason says officers were alerted about an alarm at First Midwest Bank at 2806 N. Vermilion at about 11:30 a.m. Police were told when they arrived that the suspect had already fled on foot.

http://www.vermilioncountyfirst.com/2014/08/25/police-probe-first-midwest-bank-robbery/

26 Aug
Deputies: Drunk driver arrested after driving too slowly
RED HOUSE, N.Y. (WIVB) – Deputies say they spotted a drunk driver because she was driving too slowly on I-86.

Around 11 p.m. on Sunday, the Cattaraugus County Sheriff’s Office reports deputies pulled over Norma Harrison for going 36 mph on I-86 in the Town of Red House.

Officers say the 34-year-old woman from Steamburg was weaving in her lane before being pulled to the side of the road. A breath test reportedly revealed Harrison had a BAC that was two times the legal limit.

http://wivb.com/2014/08/26/deputies-drunk-driver-arrested-after-driving-too-slowly/


There's laws against all sorts of things.

It's only the honest people that don't break them.


Kinda like locking your door only keeps the honest people out of your house.

 

[+paradox]

It's fun watching true liberty flip flop on issues when I point out flaws in his arguments...

Have not done any such thing. Or have you found any flaws. please show me these flaws.

Well, for one you're against abortion and believe it should be illegal yet you want exceptions to the rule, ie, rape victims when I pointed that out...

Then you say you're against all entitlements yet when I bring forth a small list you agree with one entitlement...

That means you're flip flopping, picking and choosing...

 

[DrLeftover]

Maybe True is a Politician.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

It's fun watching true liberty flip flop on issues when I point out flaws in his arguments...

Have not done any such thing. Or have you found any flaws. please show me these flaws.

Well, for one you're against abortion and believe it should be illegal yet you want exceptions to the rule, ie, rape victims when I pointed that out...

Then you say you're against all entitlements yet when I bring forth a small list you agree with one entitlement...

That means you're flip flopping, picking and choosing...

She was forced to have sex with no free will. Not the same as a woman who freely made a choice to have sex and then take no responsibilty for there actions.

Which entitlement?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Maybe True is a Politician.

Ouch!

 

[+paradox]

I'm done with you true liberty here, I've proved my point and you still ignore your own words and the spew you post...

 

[+paradox]

Maybe True is a Politician.

Maybe so, he can't even keep track on what he says...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I'm done with you true liberty here, I've proved my point and you still ignore your own words and the spew you post...

Show me where I support that entitlement and then be done with me. Proved a point? Lol! no words of mine have been ignored but you are good ignoring them and making them fit some twisted point. So please show me a entitlement I said I support.