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Illegal Drugs
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I think people should have the right to do whatever they want to their own bodies. They should make all drugs legal but up the punishments for driving under the influence or being under the influence in public. In fact the govt. should be the one who sells it / taxes it, so they can stimulate the economy and bring us back on our feet. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Nebulous said:
I think people have the right to do with their bodies to an extent. Drugs should be legal, to an extent. Hard drugs should still be strongly illegal. I see no benefit in throwing away a life for the arguement it is your body..
If that's your feeling, how do you feel about suicide? See what I mean.. That's pretty much what hard drugs can compare to. I think they should be givernment regulated too, though. That way it would ensure you get pure drugs, not diluted with other crap, and will make the government money, and save the billions of dollars spent in the drug war finding simple things like marijuana. -- Whist spending major dollars, and using a police force we don't have. Win win.
Oh by the way, driving while intoxicated in Canada includes substances not limited to alcohol. It can include drugs, paint, or anything that alters the mind's normal state of being. I know of people who have been charged for driving while on drugs.
Skillet said:
I think people have the right to do with their bodies to an extent. Drugs should be legal, to an extent. Hard drugs should still be strongly illegal. I see no benefit in throwing away a life for the arguement it is your body..[/quote]
Well it is. What are you going to do? Take the needle out of their hand? Even if its illegal people are still going to do it. Might as well make money off it.
Nebulous said:
I think people have the right to do with their bodies to an extent. Drugs should be legal, to an extent. Hard drugs should still be strongly illegal. I see no benefit in throwing away a life for the arguement it is your body..[/quote]
Well it is. What are you going to do? Take the needle out of their hand? Even if its illegal people are still going to do it. Might as well make money off it.[/quote]
If hard drugs are legal more people will try it. If hard drugs stay illegal, less people will. I know not everyone won't try them, but at least we saved a few lives from some people that might not otherwise try it. If people want to hard enough, they will.
It's like the honest thief. Put this in terms to explain it. So there is a bike left unlocked (or in this actual case, hard drugs are legal) many more people will steal the bike than if there was a lock on it. Locks can always be broken, and if someone wanted to cut it and steal the bike bad enough, they could and would. (As in the example of hard drugs being banned)
See what I mean..
Or try another comparison:
I have a 12 year old friend who wants to drink. It's his body, right?
Not around here.. If I wanted, I could walk down the street with a $100 bill and come back with all sorts of different harsh drugs. I wouldn't have to worry about getting arrested either because are police here don't do anything.
But that isn't the case everywhere. And what I'm trying to get at was do you think you'd be more likely to try hard drugs if they were legal in the general situation? Like say the police force did more, which they do in many places?
I know if I knew it was legal, I would try hard drugs too.
I know if I knew it was legal, I would try hard drugs too.
Skillet said:
Well Ive already been there and done that while I was teenager.. The legality of it all had no effect on me.
If it were legal or not, it would have been the same.
Which brings me back to my point.. People are going to do it anyways, Why not just make some money off it? Several LEGAL things are really bad for you and can be abused to the point to where they are dangerous.
Don't say you're comparing alcohol to like Meth? But not everyone will try it if it is illegal. That's the reality. Sure certain situations people still will, it's just like a locked bike. Some people will still steal it, but not all. It prevents what I like to call the honest criminal. Some people need just the law as a deterrent. Obviously not all, but don't you think the people that would but the hard drugs would also by Marijuana? Srill money made. And if they are just using hard drugs, chances are there will be an addiction. And who will pay for rehab? Guess where the extra few dollars will go that the government made on selling E and Meth, or whatever else?
Skillet said:
If it were Legal... Not everyone will try it. That's the reality as well.
People who do hard drugs smoke weed all the time. The harder drugs are usually uppers. They need something to balance themselves out..
Obviously the person with the addiction. They were stupid enough to get themselves hooked on something.
Nebulous said:
Actually, the government does spend money on rehab and awareness. Look at those know your limit commercials publicly funded.
Or what about all of the people who commit crimes while intoxicated under drugs, which happens with alcohol. Assault, etc. All of these things link back. Who pays for their lawyer if they can't? You. And prison? You. The taxpayer.
And USA does pay money to rehabilitate people.
The average treatment benefit to society was $9,177 per client.
Did you know that: illicit drug and alcohol users and nonusers reporting having been arrested and booked for breaking a law, 1997*..
That 3.3% of all assaults were done by someone who had used an illicit drug in the previous 50 days?
http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/pub ... index.html
What are the costs of that?
Also, one more stat from the same site:
Data collected from male arrestees in 1998 in 35 cities showed that the percentage testing positive for any drug ranged from 42.5 percent in Anchorage, Alaska, to 78.7 percent in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Female arrestees testing positive ranged from 33.3 percent in Laredo, Texas, to 82.1 percent in New York, New York.
-- That last stat is related to violent crimes.
Guns just make it a lot easier. I know you should be accountable for your own action, I'm just saying some things can alter your own actions, as obviously seen in those stats. Not everyone will be accountable for their actions, and although money might be saved on the drug wars, much will be spent on drug related crimes. And I dont care whether you believe people should be accountable for their own actions, because when they're not, it often ends up as you the taxpayer, and the victim of the crime that suffers. Not the pothead that made a stupid choice. Sure they will have to deal with the consequences of their crimes, which might involve jail time, which costs way too much money, and is often too good for them or in your words comparable to a resort.
So, if we banned hard drugs, it would remove much of this cost. Worth it? You tell me.
So, if we banned hard drugs, it would remove much of this cost. Worth it? You tell me.
If drugs were legal the economy would be better. Like I said They should make all drugs legal but up the punishments for driving under the influence or being under the influence in public.
so basically people would do it in their own homes if they wanted to avoid harsh driving under the influence or being intoxicated in public punishments... There is a lot of extra crime and violence BECAUSE drugs are illegal. Making it legal would stimulate more money into the economy, plus they could eliminate all the drug divisions most police forces spend millions of dollars to fund.
so basically people would do it in their own homes if they wanted to avoid harsh driving under the influence or being intoxicated in public punishments... There is a lot of extra crime and violence BECAUSE drugs are illegal. Making it legal would stimulate more money into the economy, plus they could eliminate all the drug divisions most police forces spend millions of dollars to fund.
So you're saying that if drugs are legal, the assault rates will actually go down? How? Explain to me how this will work, when there will be even more people doing drugs. I mean, people already do drugs all the time in their home. Wouldn't making them legal actually increase the rate of assault, because it would be acceptable to be stoned at say a bar or something?
I doubt making drugs legal would change assault rates. Drugs dont make people get violent.. If they are violent, its because that's their nature. Under the influence or not..
People assault each other more while drunk anyways.. If they are hopped up on speed chances are they will go clean their house over and over... If they are high they will just want to be lazy and pass out on the couch.
People assault each other more while drunk anyways.. If they are hopped up on speed chances are they will go clean their house over and over... If they are high they will just want to be lazy and pass out on the couch.
Oh, just a question. You said that people should have to pay for their own recovery when dealing with drugs.
How do you feel about people getting cancer directly related to smoking? Should they have to pay their own medical expenses too? Just a thought.
How do you feel about people getting cancer directly related to smoking? Should they have to pay their own medical expenses too? Just a thought.
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