Is random drug testing of welfare recipients constitutional?

[Jazzy]

Debate Statement:

Without a doubt, random drug tests for welfare recipients are completely constitutional. There's no reason a person should receive welfare if they're hooked on drugs. Such testing would be an excellent solution to doling out welfare, since the country wastes billions of dollars on welfare each and every year without pause.

Do you agree or disagree with the debate statement? (Please explain your choice)

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

 

[Sinon]

I don't necessarily agree that being hooked on drugs is a reason for the government to disown you. God knows there are enough homeless addicts already, without adding more to the mix. However, I do think random testing should be done. If you fail, benefits should be cut/stopped, but perhaps the person should be given help with getting away from drugs, too.

 

[TommyTooter]

constitutional or not, it's a costly boondoggle. the states that have tried it caught a couple of people on drugs - after spending millions testing everybody. drug test congress. the return on investment will be much higher.

 

[TommyTooter]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

millions of dollars daily in military aid to despotic regimes like egypt, israel and saudi arabia is much more disconcerting to me than able bodied people scamming the government out of a few hundred bucks a month.

 

[Jazzy]

Yes, it's constitutional. Welfare is a privilege, not a right. If you want the privilege of receiving free money from the rest of the public, then you should be willing to abide by simple requirements. This ensures that the money is going to people that deserve it and not to a drug abuser. If someone on welfare fails a drug test without prescription, I think they should lose all of their benefits.

 

[TommyTooter]

Yes, it's constitutional. Welfare is a privilege, not a right. If you want the privilege of receiving free money from the rest of the public, then you should be willing to abide by simple requirements. This ensures that the money is going to people that deserve it and not to a drug abuser. If someone on welfare fails a drug test without prescription, I think they should lose all of their benefits.

it's been demonstrated in at least ohio and florida to not be a cost effective solution. drug testing found very few cheats and cost millions to do the testing.

 

[+paradox]

Drug test the politicians...

 

[DrLeftover]

Drug test the politicians...

Amen.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

millions of dollars daily in military aid to despotic regimes like egypt, israel and saudi arabia is much more disconcerting to me than able bodied people scamming the government out of a few hundred bucks a month.

I am all for stopping all foreign aid to all countries. Let them all even the ones I like such as Israel manage there own issues. Between no foreign aid, no entitlements and a flat tax set with a constitutional amendment to never go up we could bring our federal government under control again.

But I dont care what the price to test when they are using my money to give to someone else they have no rights to complain if they are taking a handout. Drug test and drug test often.

 

[+paradox]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

millions of dollars daily in military aid to despotic regimes like egypt, israel and saudi arabia is much more disconcerting to me than able bodied people scamming the government out of a few hundred bucks a month.

But I dont care what the price to test when they are using my money to give to someone else they have no rights to complain if they are taking a handout. Drug test and drug test often.

so, your solution to save "your" tax money is to spend more of it...

that's just like saying i'm going to save $200 every week yet spend $1,000,000 every month... in conclusion, you'll be spending more not saving more... it doesn't add up and doesn't make any sense...

it's more logical to keep the politicians in check then the poor people... the people that are running this country is the ones that made the mess, not the poor people...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

millions of dollars daily in military aid to despotic regimes like egypt, israel and saudi arabia is much more disconcerting to me than able bodied people scamming the government out of a few hundred bucks a month.

But I dont care what the price to test when they are using my money to give to someone else they have no rights to complain if they are taking a handout. Drug test and drug test often.

so, your solution to save "your" tax money is to spend more of it...

that's just like saying i'm going to save $200 every week yet spend $1,000,000 every month... in conclusion, you'll be spending more not saving more... it doesn't add up and doesn't make any sense...

it's more logical to keep the politicians in check then the poor people... the people that are running this country is the ones that made the mess, not the poor people...

No my solution is if we are going to give other people's money away make sure its not going to drug addiction. plus if the leftists who are against this because its costs so much. Yah right! they would find waste in our government that could fund this. but again I am against all entitlements.

 

[+paradox]

so, you're against helping the unfortunate, and you don't care how much of "your" tax dollar it would take to do so?

i thought you don't like entitlements because they are using "your" tax?

i think you're confused or just heartless... take a pick...

 

[TommyTooter]

There is no reason with two working arms and two working feet people should ever get entitlements. And definitely any entitlements for anyone through the federal government is unconstitutional. That is a state decision.

But putting that aside they are taking the tax payers money and should be doing whatever the government says at anytime the government wants to collect a check of free money.

millions of dollars daily in military aid to despotic regimes like egypt, israel and saudi arabia is much more disconcerting to me than able bodied people scamming the government out of a few hundred bucks a month.

I am all for stopping all foreign aid to all countries. Let them all even the ones I like such as Israel manage there own issues. Between no foreign aid, no entitlements and a flat tax set with a constitutional amendment to never go up we could bring our federal government under control again.

But I dont care what the price to test when they are using my money to give to someone else they have no rights to complain if they are taking a handout. Drug test and drug test often.

it is not a cost effective solution. spending millions every month to save a few thousand dollars is ludicrous. only utah is claiming to have profited by it and i question the honesty of their reporting because the other states spent substantially more than $30K doing the testing. go look at some of these articles.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=drug+testing+for+welfare+statistics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

[TommyTooter]

so, you're against helping the unfortunate, and you don't care how much of "your" tax dollar it would take to do so?

i thought you don't like entitlements because they are using "your" tax?

i think you're confused or just heartless... take a pick...

misinformed. the entitlements that he objects to take less than a dollar out of his pocket. corporate welfare and the defense industry are taking much bigger bites.

 

[TommyTooter]

I am all for stopping all foreign aid to all countries. Let them all even the ones I like such as Israel manage there own issues. Between no foreign aid, no entitlements and a flat tax set with a constitutional amendment to never go up we could bring our federal government under control again.

But I dont care what the price to test when they are using my money to give to someone else they have no rights to complain if they are taking a handout. Drug test and drug test often.

That is exactly how I feel about it as well. End every last PENNY of foreign aid, bring our troops home to guard the borders, and let the rest of the world deal with their own shit. We are NOT the world police or the world's bank to come to and get money from just because those foreign countries can't handle their own mess. Why does every country in some kind of trouble come to us??! And more importantly, why does this illegal imposter traitorous criminal of a "president" ALLOW them to??

I'd give you 10 rep points for your post if I could, Liberty.

your posts probably have something to do with the negative rep being disabled. boundless bigotry and misinformation.

 

[+paradox]

so, you're against helping the unfortunate, and you don't care how much of "your" tax dollar it would take to do so?

i thought you don't like entitlements because they are using "your" tax?

i think you're confused or just heartless... take a pick...

misinformed. the entitlements that he objects to take less than a dollar out of his pocket. corporate welfare and the defense industry are taking much bigger bites.

on top of that, the same people that are against people taking handouts, they never complain about corporations and banks being bailed out by "their" tax money only to be wasted... at least with food-stamps, the honest unfortunate people are being fed...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

so, you're against helping the unfortunate, and you don't care how much of "your" tax dollar it would take to do so?

i thought you don't like entitlements because they are using "your" tax?

i think you're confused or just heartless... take a pick...

No I am not against helping the poor I am against the federal government helping the unfortunate. But if I have no choice in the matter yes I want drug testing.

 

[+paradox]

i thought this was about "your" tax money being used to feed the children?

so now it's changed to you don't want the federal government to pay to feed the children?

 

[+paradox]

Debate Statement:

Without a doubt, random drug tests for welfare recipients are completely constitutional. There's no reason a person should receive welfare if they're hooked on drugs. Such testing would be an excellent solution to doling out welfare, since the country wastes billions of dollars on welfare each and every year without pause.

Do you agree or disagree with the debate statement? (Please explain your choice)

i believe that the quote you posted is inaccurate and lies...

drug testing wont save tax money...

i enjoy and laugh when people attack the poor and the less fortunate when it's mostly due to the government and how all of the systems are set up... the economy is in crap and there's no jobs for everyone... most people that do have a job don't get paid well, they live their lives as best as they can by not wasting money and to pay their bills only to be a couple of paychecks away to being on the streets... and on top of that, the government is wasting money all over the place and the politicians are giving themselves raises every chance they get and using your tax money to travel and take vacations... why not blame the people that put this country in such a mess instead of the people that are in the cross-hairs...