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June 2024 Presidential Debate: Biden vs. Trump

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(The Guardian) Biden, Trump take stage as debate begins
Joe Biden and Donald Trump have now both taken the stage at CNN studios in Atlanta to begin debating.

After winning a coin flip, Biden’s team opted for the president to stand at the podium of his choice, and he will be on the right side of the screen. Trump will stand on the left, and has chosen to give the final remarks of the 90-minute debate.


I'm also following along as well....
 
Go Biden!!!! (y)

I Mean Joe Biden GIF
 
Go Biden!!!! (y)

I Mean Joe Biden GIF
About 20 minutes to go and I'm ready to go all....
window fuck this GIF

...either for Trump's lies and/or CNN's refusal to call his ass out on it, the motherfuckers..... :angry3:
 
It was the worst thing I ever watched. Biden looked like a walking corpse stumbling over his words on stage. Had to tune out midway through.
 
I know I'm a Biden supporter and given my despisement of Trump, I won't vote for him.
But after hearing tonight's debate, I'm not sure I want to vote for Biden anymore....

anxious brothers and sisters GIF by HULU
 
It was a disappointing debate because Biden had a bad voice, and he couldn't form complete sentences without stumbling his words. He literally looked like he was going to pass out at times. If the result is the same at the next debate, he's done as President.
 
(The Guardian) Biden says 'see you at the next one' despite Democratic worries over debate performance
While many of his allies were expressing concerns over his debate performance, Joe Biden headed over to speak to supporters at a watch party, and showed no indication of pulling out of the second debate scheduled for early September.

“He’s just a liar,” Biden said of Trump. “ I can’t think of one thing he said that was true, not being facetious. But look, we’re going to beat this guy. We need to beat this guy, and I need you in order to beat him.”

He concluded with: “Let’s keep going. See you at the next one.”
Former Obama campaign manager says Biden's debate performance 'a DEFCON 1 moment'
In an interview on MSNBC, David Plouffe, a Democratic strategist who managed Barack Obama’s 2008 campaign and worked in his White House, warned that Joe Biden’s debate performance drew attention to his advanced age, which is one of his biggest weaknesses.

“It’s kind of a DEFCON 1 moment,” Plouffe said. “The biggest thing in this election is voters’ concerns, and it’s both swing voters and base voters, with his age, and those were compounded tonight.”

Though Biden is only three years older than Trump, Plouffe said, “They seemed about 30 years apart tonight. And I think that’s going to be the thing that voters really wrestle with coming out of this.”
 
Because Biden looked lost, and at times he looked like a damn corpse. Plus he sounded like garbage with his voice.
 
Everybody is focusing on Biden.

Trump had his moments as well.
Its perception, Doc; everyone knew what Trump would be like. No one, however, expected to see Biden's weak performance though.
 
(The Guardian) Guardian US columnist Rebecca Solnit has also delivered her verdict, saying the American people were the true losers last night: Debates exist so that people can hear from the candidates, which makes sense when they’re relative unknowns. We’ve heard plenty from both of them for 40 years or so, since Biden was a young congressman and Trump was a young attention-seeker in New York City’s nightclubs and tabloids, and both of them have had the most high-profile job on earth for four years.

We didn’t need this debate. Because 2024 is not like previous election years, and the reasons it’s not are both that each candidate has had plenty of time to show us who they are and because one of them is a criminal seeking to destroy democracy and human rights along with the climate, the economy and international alliances. If you are too young to remember 2017-2021, this would not help you figure that out.

Much has been said about the age of the candidates, but maybe it’s the corporate media whose senility is most dangerous to us. Their insistence on proceeding as though things are pretty much what they’ve always been, on normalizing the appalling and outrageous, on using false equivalencies and bothsiderism to make themselves look fair and reasonable, on turning politics into horseraces and personality contests, is aiding the destruction of the United States.


 
(The Guardian) Guardian US columnist Rebecca Solnit has also delivered her verdict, saying the American people were the true losers last night: Debates exist so that people can hear from the candidates, which makes sense when they’re relative unknowns. We’ve heard plenty from both of them for 40 years or so, since Biden was a young congressman and Trump was a young attention-seeker in New York City’s nightclubs and tabloids, and both of them have had the most high-profile job on earth for four years.

We didn’t need this debate. Because 2024 is not like previous election years, and the reasons it’s not are both that each candidate has had plenty of time to show us who they are and because one of them is a criminal seeking to destroy democracy and human rights along with the climate, the economy and international alliances. If you are too young to remember 2017-2021, this would not help you figure that out.

Much has been said about the age of the candidates, but maybe it’s the corporate media whose senility is most dangerous to us. Their insistence on proceeding as though things are pretty much what they’ve always been, on normalizing the appalling and outrageous, on using false equivalencies and bothsiderism to make themselves look fair and reasonable, on turning politics into horseraces and personality contests, is aiding the destruction of the United States.



And now we've heard how the far left, from Berkeley no less, is spinning it.


Writer, historian, and activist Rebecca Solnit is the author of more than twenty books on feminism, western and urban history, popular power, social change and insurrection, wandering and walking, hope and catastrophe. Her books include Orwell’s Roses; Recollections of My Nonexistence; Hope in the Dark; Men Explain Things to Me; A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities that Arise in Disaster; and A Field Guide to Getting Lost. A product of the California public education system from kindergarten to graduate school, she writes regularly for the Guardian, serves on the board of the climate group Oil Change International, and recently launched the climate project Not Too Late (nottoolateclimate.com).
 
It's clear as day Trump won the debate but anyone paying attention to Biden wouldn't say that was saying much. It's bad when you could declare a winner of a debate simply while watching the debate with the sound off. You also know you did bad in a debate when the media that aligns with you politically can't find a single thing they can even remotely spin positively about your performance because you literally left them with absolutely nothing you could even remotely twist/spin as a positive.

I'd say Trump followed that old quote about not interrupting your opponent when they are making a mistake to a T because that is literally what he did. They probably knew going in that Biden was going to do all the work in losing the debate and Trump simply needed to stay out of his way which is what he did. One wonders if this wasn't all a setup by the left to get Biden out of the way so they could put someone else in his place for the election because they had no confidence Biden could win much less last another term in his condition.
 
(The Guardian) Biden campaign holds 'difficult' calls with donors after disastrous debate
Joe Biden’s reelection team held difficult phone calls on Sunday and Monday with top campaign funders in an attempt to reassure them that the 81-year-old president should stay in the race following his car crash debate performance last week.

Senior campaign officials held a call on Monday evening with hundreds of top Democratic donors and fundraisers to tamp down the panic that has gripped the party since the CNN debate, multiple outlets reported. “Can the president make it through a campaign and another term?” One donor asked during the call, according to Reuters.

The Biden campaign has been engaged in full-on damage control, while many Democratic officials and strategists are privately mulling whether Biden should remain on the ticket of step aside in favor of a younger candidate who might stand a better chance of defeating Donald Trump.

Amid calls for the campaign to make Biden more visible, the president added public remarks to his schedule on Monday evening where he issued a full-throated denunciation of the supreme court’s decision to grant Trump broad immunity from criminal charges of trying to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
In a Monday evening conference call, the Biden campaign sought to reassure top Democratic donors and fundraisers who questioned whether the president should stay in the race and why they should keep donating.

Senior Biden officials, including campaign senior adviser Jen O’Malley Dillon, deputy campaign manager Quentin Fulks and pollster Molly Murphy, conceded that Biden had blown an opportunity to improve his chances but that early polls showed little damage from the debate. “The message was, ‘We are not seeing any change in polling,’” a source told Reuters. The “campaign will not win if the focus remains on his age.”
Joe Biden is “probably in better health than most of us,” Biden’s campaign chair, Jen O’Malley Dillon, told top fundraisers during the Monday conference call, according to NBC News.

“He’s also 81,” O’Malley Dillon added. “He knows that he has to prove that he can do this job from a stamina standpoint, but also from substance.”

During the call, she made reference to Barack Obama’s lackluster performance in his first debate with Mitt Romney in 2012, telling donors “every incumbent president that I can remember in my lifetime has had a shit first debate.”

“Obviously, the stakes are higher for us because we are up against Donald Trump,” she continued. -- Obviously, we have more work to do because the president is 81, but it was also a terrible debate in 2012. I was there. I remember it clearly.

But one donor told the outlet that they were not convinced by the campaign’s reassurances, and that if Biden stays in the race, they will redirect their money to outside get-out-the-vote groups. The donor said: I won’t sit on the sidelines, but it’s hard and getting a lot harder to donate directly to the campaign given their judgement.
 

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