Liberalism Is A Simple Concept...

[Webster]

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And to finish that quote I WILL SHOOT YOU IN THE HEAD TO GET IT.

 

[mrldii]

Oh, the sweet irony. The ones who whine the most, as evidenced on this online site alone, are those who are most proud to be anything but "liberal".


More ironic? Even when in the middle OF posting it, they never ever see their own hypocrisy.

 

[Bluezone777]

You know the only thing you need to be is greed and power hungry to fit the description of "Liberalism" and as far as I can see political affiliation doesn't stop or encourage either greediness or a power hungry nature. Those things existed before the word Conservative and Liberal in the political sense even existed.

If you were to however take politics off of the throne you set it on then you would see the foolishness of treating your voting card with a big R stamped on it as some badge of righteousness and realize political party has nothing to do with your issue with selfishness and greed as your political affiliation has nothing to do with a person's selfish or greedy nature.

 

[Dee]

You know the only thing you need to be is greed and power hungry to fit the description of "Liberalism" and as far as I can see political affiliation doesn't stop or encourage either greediness or a power hungry nature. Those things existed before the word Conservative and Liberal in the political sense even existed.

If you were to however take politics off of the throne you set it on then you would see the foolishness of treating your voting card with a big R stamped on it as some badge of righteousness and realize political party has nothing to do with your issue with selfishness and greed as your political affiliation has nothing to do with a person's selfish or greedy nature.

Blue, you're right. It's all sides of the matter, not just liberals. Every politician and many American citizens are in it for themselves, in it to make some money, and only concerned about the now and most definitely not about anyone else regardless of the very socialist aspects this country already applies, which by the way, is ridiculously hypocritical. I just find it absolutely hilarious the conservative bunch here on the forum is constantly bashing the liberals when really it's e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. You can point fingers as much as you want. You can say it's all THEIR fault, but the fact of the matter is it's coming from all (or in this case both) sides. And what's even sadder is you conservatives buy into the fact that you're the one and only answer to this country's problems. It's no wonder we're the laughing stock of the world.

 

[DrLeftover]

"... ... ... ... humans."
- Mr. Spock, Star Trek 'the original series'

 

[Dee]

If you can be classified as a human, you are quite literally part of the problem. End of story.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Blue, you're right. It's all sides of the matter, not just liberals. Every politician and many American citizens are in it for themselves, in it to make some money, and only concerned about the now and most definitely not about anyone else regardless of the very socialist aspects this country already applies, which by the way, is ridiculously hypocritical. I just find it absolutely hilarious the conservative bunch here on the forum is constantly bashing the liberals when really it's e.v.e.r.y.o.n.e. You can point fingers as much as you want. You can say it's all THEIR fault, but the fact of the matter is it's coming from all (or in this case both) sides. And what's even sadder is you conservatives buy into the fact that you're the one and only answer to this country's problems. It's no wonder we're the laughing stock of the world.

Not every politician by any means is in it for themselves. Just like a person joining the military does it for the love of country there are people who do the same when they run for office. And please name a conservative that is part of the problem if everyone is involved? And fake republicans that are just progressive liberals like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mitch McConnell and god knows how many others that should be in the democrat party. And yes I am saying it is the liberals and progressives fault who ignore the Constitution at every turn that have brought our country to the ruin it is now.

 

[mrldii]

Not every politician by any means is in it for themselves. Just like a person joining the military does it for the love of country there are people who do the same when they run for office. And please name a conservative that is part of the problem if everyone is involved? And fake republicans that are just progressive liberals like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mitch McConnell and god knows how many others that should be in the democrat party. And yes I am saying it is the liberals and progressives fault who ignore the Constitution at every turn that have brought our country to the ruin it is now.

Cool game with interesting *rules*: "Go ahead and name anyone who IS within the Republican party who doesn't say exactly what I want them to say (because I am The MOST *right*-est person on the planet), and I'll completely negate it by preemptively stating that - because they don't say exactly what I want them to say - they're simply 'fake' republicans and/or 'just liberals and progressives' and/or 'should be in the democrat party'. That's how I ensure I'm always *right* and therefore, can NEVER be wrong; I just change the meanings of words and labels as I see fit."


Is there a name for this game? "Solitary"? "Doesn't Play Well With Others"? Or, is there some other term for an activity that is done alone that would be a better name for this game?

 

[Dee]

Not every politician by any means is in it for themselves. Just like a person joining the military does it for the love of country there are people who do the same when they run for office. And please name a conservative that is part of the problem if everyone is involved? And fake republicans that are just progressive liberals like Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Mitch McConnell and god knows how many others that should be in the democrat party. And yes I am saying it is the liberals and progressives fault who ignore the Constitution at every turn that have brought our country to the ruin it is now.

I've talked to plenty of people in the military who sure as hell don't do it for "love of their country". It's more like they have no path in life and want a free financial ride along with the ability to shoot and kill people. Of course, not everyone is like that. There are plenty of people in the military who love their country and want to defend it, but you're fooling yourself if you think everyone wearing a uniform does it because of pride of their home country. As for conservatives part of the problem? Well, I could give you a list of who ISN'T part of the problem, but that one would be much, much shorter. In fact, I can't think of any conservative who isn't part of the problem. We live in a very me-me-me country and no one else thinks about anyone other than themselves. Hell, even I get swept under the facade that I care for my fellow man sometimes, so I'm not saying I'm any better than you or anyone else in this selfish, egotistical, greedy, and power-hungry country. It is what it is, and as soon as you face the facts and come to the realization then maybe you can be a part of the fix by election officials who'll actually solve both present AND future problems, and not just think about the now and what's in it for their offshore bank accounts.

 

[Webster]

"... ... ... ... humans."
- Mr. Spock, Star Trek 'the original series'

Reading that made me think of a few lines from the Eagles' song, "Get Over It"....quoting:
-The more I think about it, Old Billy was right
Let's kill all the lawyers liberals, kill 'em tonight....
*re-reads lyrics* ...wait, it was lawyers....oh, well, same , different story...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

You know the only thing you need to be is greed and power hungry to fit the description of "Liberalism" and as far as I can see political affiliation doesn't stop or encourage either greediness or a power hungry nature. Those things existed before the word Conservative and Liberal in the political sense even existed.



If you were to however take politics off of the throne you set it on then you would see the foolishness of treating your voting card with a big R stamped on it as some badge of righteousness and realize political party has nothing to do with your issue with selfishness and greed as your political affiliation has nothing to do with a person's selfish or greedy nature.

And yet it was liberal and progressive Presidents in history every time that rounded up tens of thousands of people because of there race or because they spoke out against the government in papers or on the streets. And to name a few that would be President Wilson and FDR.

And yet it is our liberal and progressive presidents that come up with greedy and power hungry law, rules and over bearing regulations every time. The very greedy programs that are and have been ruining this country our founders would have been against. Federal income tax, the federal reserve, obama care, federally run social security, federally run welfare and food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid and the list goes on and on with the self destruction of freedoms they create. The founders by now would have had arms in there hands for these liberal policies enacted and would be shooting the very bastards for the ruinous acts they have done.

And you will notice I hardly use the words Republican or Democrat anymore. I use the words Conservative, Progressive, Liberal, Socialist and Communist. When I talk about a True Republican (Such as Ted Cruz) I name him instead of the party that has stopped being anything resembling Republican since after the early 90s.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I've talked to plenty of people in the military who sure as hell don't do it for "love of their country". It's more like they have no path in life and want a free financial ride along with the ability to shoot and kill people. Of course, not everyone is like that. There are plenty of people in the military who love their country and want to defend it, but you're fooling yourself if you think everyone wearing a uniform does it because of pride of their home country. As for conservatives part of the problem? Well, I could give you a list of who ISN'T part of the problem, but that one would be much, much shorter. In fact, I can't think of any conservative who isn't part of the problem. We live in a very me-me-me country and no one else thinks about anyone other than themselves. Hell, even I get swept under the facade that I care for my fellow man sometimes, so I'm not saying I'm any better than you or anyone else in this selfish, egotistical, greedy, and power-hungry country. It is what it is, and as soon as you face the facts and come to the realization then maybe you can be a part of the fix by election officials who'll actually solve both present AND future problems, and not just think about the now and what's in it for their offshore bank accounts.

Geez you will find that since the days the revolutionary war began. But overall most people have pride for things like being in our military. So my apologies for you taking me so literal on that sentence.

Greed is what created us to once be the greatest nation on the planet. The difference is the liberals and progressives have no understanding of good greed and bad greed. I should come first every time with the things I want then and only then can I possibly help others.

 

[+paradox]

@TRUE LIBERTY, you really think conservatives aren't greedy, selfish and crooks like a lot of liberals? really?

if you really believe what you say then you're truly more delusional than i thought...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

@TRUE LIBERTY, you really think conservatives aren't greedy, selfish and crooks like a lot of liberals? really?

if you really believe what you say then you're truly more delusional than i thought...

Never said there never were any conservative crooks. I am sure there were and are. But am damn glad there were greedy and selfish ones otherwise the once greatest nation would have never been built. Liberal policies of the common good and sharing equally crappola would have never built a nation and created prosperity for most Americans.

 

[Dee]

I also find it absolutely hilarious that you are completely blind to the fact that that greed and selfishness did quite the opposite of making us the greatest country on the planet. That kind of big headedness and arrogance is what makes us a prime target for much of the hatred in the world, but I know full well you truly don't understand the dynamics behind what drives a person or a group of people to want to take down the country that runs itself like a police state of the world. Unfortunately, it's out of the hands of even one person to make an influence, and sadly a good number of citizens here in America have been brainwashed into thinking exactly what you think, TL, which makes it difficult to make change for the better.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I also find it absolutely hilarious that you are completely blind to the fact that that greed and selfishness did quite the opposite of making us the greatest country on the planet. That kind of big headedness and arrogance is what makes us a prime target for much of the hatred in the world, but I know full well you truly don't understand the dynamics behind what drives a person or a group of people to want to take down the country that runs itself like a police state of the world. Unfortunately, it's out of the hands of even one person to make an influence, and sadly a good number of citizens here in America have been brainwashed into thinking exactly what you think, TL, which makes it difficult to make change for the better.

Not blind in the least. Self interest which is not always bad in the least is what created the greatest nation ever created. Self interest created the greatest amount of wealth for the most people of all levels of people ever in the history of a nation. Self interest created the most creative and productive people to ever exist in a nation. The moment government decided that needs to be controlled and regulated by the left thinking people and truly brainwashing people that self interest is somehow evil and immoral is when a decline began. And when the left in government convinced people instead of self interest helps society convinced spreading the wealth around by the force of a gun is the right thing to do. While at the same time they themselves the leftist politicians turn our country from a free market into a cronyism country. No the brainwashed is clearly people who have no understanding on how we created prosperity for the world through capitalism.

 

[Dee]

Not blind in the least. Self interest which is not always bad in the least is what created the greatest nation ever created. Self interest created the greatest amount of wealth for the most people of all levels of people ever in the history of a nation. Self interest created the most creative and productive people to ever exist in a nation. The moment government decided that needs to be controlled and regulated by the left thinking people and truly brainwashing people that self interest is somehow evil and immoral is when a decline began. And when the left in government convinced people instead of self interest helps society convinced spreading the wealth around by the force of a gun is the right thing to do. While at the same time they themselves the leftist politicians turn our country from a free market into a cronyism country. No the brainwashed is clearly people who have no understanding on how we created prosperity for the world through capitalism.

Self interest....greatest--hahaha, greatest amount of wealth for most people, lmao. God, you crack me up sometimes. Am I being pranked? I'm being pranked, aren't I? Ahhh, you should be a comedian.

 

[+paradox]

Never said there never were any conservative crooks. I am sure there were and are. But am damn glad there were greedy and selfish ones otherwise the once greatest nation would have never been built. Liberal policies of the common good and sharing equally crappola would have never built a nation and created prosperity for most Americans.

that's not what i get from your posts, you constantly bash one group and ignore others like they are innocent...

all i am seeing out of you and @Webster is thread after thread of liberals and liberalism being guilty of this and that...

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Greed in many cases is a great thing when backed by capitalism and not crony capitalism.



Still one of my favorite quotes on the good of greed.

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"So you think that money is the root of all evil?" said Francisco d'Aconia. "Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?

"When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to money. Not an ocean of tears nor all the guns in the world can transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have been gold, are a token of honor— your claim upon the energy of the men who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral principle which is the root of money. Is this what you consider evil?

"Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but physical motions—and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on earth.

"But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is MADE—before it can be looted or mooched—made by the effort of every honest man, each to the extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't consume more than he has produced.

"To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort except by the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more. Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their gain, not their loss—the recognition that they are not beasts of burden, born to carry the weight of your misery—that you must offer them values, not wounds—that the common bond among men is not the exchange of suffering, but the exchange of GOODS. Money demands that you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer, but the best your money can find. And when men live by trade—with reason, not force, as their final arbiter—it is the best product that wins, the best performance, then man of best judgment and highest ability—and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money. Is this what you consider evil?

"But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the law of causality—the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the products of the mind.

"Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of what he wants; money will not give him a code of values, if he's evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth—the man who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root. Money will not serve that mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

"Money is your means of survival. The verdict which you pronounce upon the source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life. If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement, but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil, because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your hatred of money?

"Or did you say it's the LOVE of money that's the root of all evil? To love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who is the loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money—and he has good reason to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know they are able to deserve it."

"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.

"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another—their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

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