Marijuana Legalization

[dynastygal]

[quote name='dynastygal']Funny that you assume something of someone you never met. That my dear, is flawed debating. My opinion on lab drugs has nothing to do with my opinion on recreational drugs. Marijuana is just another thing to promote cancer and various other ailments, and like cigarettes and alcohol, should be banned outright. Children already drink underage and smoke underage due to legality of the items making it piss easy to obtain them. We don't need them smoking this too.

I find people who wish to make sin laws disgusting. Prohibition was an attempt by the federal government at clean ueginics. Alchohal & tobacco are legal because people want to drink & smoke. No one is tieing you down & pouring liquour down your throat nor are they forcing you to smoke. However your backwards, unconstitutional views of alchohal & tobacco are irrelevant in this debate. We are here to discuss Marijuana which is less addictive than tobacco & has much less health complications. Regardless of your personal views on the morality of marijuana, the government has no constitutional right to ban marijuana for medical uses or otherwise.[/quote]



So because people want to do something that means things become legal...riiight, what planet do you live on? I want to kill certain human beings, as do others, but it's not legal. Wanting something doesn't equal something becoming legal. So please, come back to earth. And my views are far from backwards. Do you honestly want to kill yourself slowly? If so, go right ahead, whilst us sane people don't promote such barbarism. You can discuss tobacco and alcohol in the same breath because most proponents of legalizing it claim that tobacco and alcohol are worse yet legal so legalizing marijuana does no harm, when that is backwards thinking and just shows tobacco and alcohol should be illegal too.



Oh, and stuff the constitution up your ass please. I live in the UK, so don't bring that excuse out. If the constitution didn't exist you stupid yanks wouldn't have a hope in hell when it came to debating, it's all you ever use to excuse anything that is blatently a harmful thing to society.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Lets avoid harassing each other. Debates should be civil arguments. Not ugly fights.

 

[Princess]

I don't see anything wrong with Marijuana becomming legal. If fact, it may help. I have known kids who were smoking marijuana who got slipped other things. One kid in particular showed up at my house. He had been smoking and was having a bad time--he ended up sleeping it off, and later we found out that the marijuana had been laced with PCP.

If it were licenced and regulated by the government--then that sort of thing would be more difficult to happen. There would be tax revenues from the crop, and from the sale of the product.

 

[civilwarrocks]

[quote name='civilwarrocks'][quote name='dynastygal']Funny that you assume something of someone you never met. That my dear, is flawed debating. My opinion on lab drugs has nothing to do with my opinion on recreational drugs. Marijuana is just another thing to promote cancer and various other ailments, and like cigarettes and alcohol, should be banned outright. Children already drink underage and smoke underage due to legality of the items making it piss easy to obtain them. We don't need them smoking this too.

I find people who wish to make sin laws disgusting. Prohibition was an attempt by the federal government at clean ueginics. Alchohal & tobacco are legal because people want to drink & smoke. No one is tieing you down & pouring liquour down your throat nor are they forcing you to smoke. However your backwards, unconstitutional views of alchohal & tobacco are irrelevant in this debate. We are here to discuss Marijuana which is less addictive than tobacco & has much less health complications. Regardless of your personal views on the morality of marijuana, the government has no constitutional right to ban marijuana for medical uses or otherwise.[/quote]



So because people want to do something that means things become legal...riiight, what planet do you live on? I want to kill certain human beings, as do others, but it's not legal. Wanting something doesn't equal something becoming legal. So please, come back to earth. And my views are far from backwards. Do you honestly want to kill yourself slowly? If so, go right ahead, whilst us sane people don't promote such barbarism. You can discuss tobacco and alcohol in the same breath because most proponents of legalizing it claim that tobacco and alcohol are worse yet legal so legalizing marijuana does no harm, when that is backwards thinking and just shows tobacco and alcohol should be illegal too.



Oh, and stuff the constitution up your ass please. I live in the UK, so don't bring that excuse out. If the constitution didn't exist you stupid yanks wouldn't have a hope in hell when it came to debating, it's all you ever use to excuse anything that is blatently a harmful thing to society.[/quote]

What is it with you Brits? You aren't the first to complain that too many people hide behind it. What incessent issue do you have with a document that ensures the rights & freedoms of millions of Americans? The fact remains that, in American law at least, the Constitution does not award power to the federal government to constrain alcohal, tobacco or even, yes, marijuana. I'm not going to argue British law because, quite frankly, I don't give a flying feck (And yes, I meant to say feck) about British law.

 

[civilwarrocks]

I don't see anything wrong with Marijuana becomming legal. If fact, it may help. I have known kids who were smoking marijuana who got slipped other things. One kid in particular showed up at my house. He had been smoking and was having a bad time--he ended up sleeping it off, and later we found out that the marijuana had been laced with PCP.

If it were licenced and regulated by the government--then that sort of thing would be more difficult to happen. There would be tax revenues from the crop, and from the sale of the product.

I agree with you once again Princess.

 

[Whatif]

I dont smoke it anymore but heres my argument......





I think it should be legal. Marijuana is pretty much harmless.



What happens when you drink too much liquor? You can get alcohol poisoning.



What happens when you snort too much cocaine, do too much of a hard drug, or take too many pills? Well you could OD and die.



What happens when you smoke too much marijuana? You fall asleep, and wake up feeling fine.



Say you are really stressed out.. You drink your sorrows away and what happens (for most people) your feelings get amplified and you get more angry and do something you might regret.



Say you are really stressed out.. you go and do a bunch of hard drugs (like cocaine or meth) well you might get overly paranoid or just think about your problems even more.



Say you are really stressed out.. you go and smoke some marijuana and get relaxed and forget about what was bothering you (in most cases).



Those are just some scenarios I made up and results may differ from person to person

As for people who have health problems..

Here are some marijuana heath facts (Source: sanfranciscocannabisclubs.com)

Medical marijuana helps many people with a number of wide-ranging symptoms. Research concludes that medical marijuana has three major properties which are medically useful. Medical marijuana is:

• An analgesic (relieves pain)[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• An anti-emetic (relieves nausea and vomiting)[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• An appetite stimulant (induces hunger)[/*:m:3fngx0ct]

Medical marijuana is used for medicinal purposes for a large number of diseases, illnesses and disabilities without many of the side affects that accompany todays most commonly-prescribed medications. Medical marijuana is one of the safest active substances known and has a wide variety of therapeutic applications including:

• Reduction of muscle spasms.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Relief from chronic pain.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Relief from nausea and increase of appetite.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]

Marijuana is frequently beneficial in the treatment of the following conditions:

• AIDS. Medical marijuana can reduce the nausea, vomiting, and loss of appetite caused by the ailment itself and by various AIDS medications.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Glaucoma. Medical marijuana can reduce interlobular pressure, thereby alleviating the pain and slowing -- and sometimes stopping -- the progress of the condition.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Cancer. Medical marijuana can stimulate the appetite and alleviate nausea and vomiting, which are common side effects of chemotherapy treatment.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Multiple Sclerosis. Medical marijuana can limit the muscle pain and spastically caused by the disease, as well as relieving tremor and unsteadiness of gait.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Epilepsy. Marijuana can prevent epileptic seizures in some patients.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Chronic Pain. Medical marijuana can alleviate the chronic, often debilitating pain caused by myriad disorders and injuries.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]
  
• Many patients also report that medical marijuana is useful for treating arthritis, migraine, menstrual cramps, alcohol and opiate addiction, and depression and other debilitating mood disorders.[/*:m:3fngx0ct]

 

[Hawked]

If you take too much marijuana with tobacco it can become highly addictive,

Personally, I'm up for legalizing it but I think if you are caught carrying loads of it then you should get arrested.

 

[Princess]

If you take too much marijuana with tobacco it can become highly addictive,

Personally, I'm up for legalizing it but I think if you are caught carrying loads of it then you should get arrested.

I think that's like anything though--I think you'd probably get a few raised eyebrows if you walked into a store and bought 50 cartons of cigarettes, or maybe 40 cases of beer. So, yeah--I'd think that would be a given.

 

[ACE]

By the way, nice topic here.



Also my take on this is I think that legalizing weed should be legalized. More than half the population smokes it anyway. Just one less thing for cops to crack down on.

 

[Bishop]

By the way, nice topic here.



Also my take on this is I think that legalizing weed should be legalized. More than half the population smokes it anyway. Just one less thing for cops to crack down on.

That and the fact that if it became legel I'm sure the economy would basically be getting jumper-cables.

 

[Setsuna]

Sure, legalize it. I bet the death toll from people under the influence goes up, which is fine by me cause the earth is already a little over populated. *shrug*



Grim view I guess right? teehee!

 

[Princess]

Not really a 'grim' view--but it's awfully jaded.

I never did partake, but most of the people that did, that I knew, never went anywhere when they were stoned. They were at home and very laid back and mellow.

I don't know that smoking a joint leaves you any more impared than drinking a beer.

 

[Setsuna]

Yeah you make a pretty good point actually.

 

[Princess]

There would probably have to be some sort of test, like a field sobriety test for pot. I don't know if such a thing exists. But you'd need something more than a hair follicle test to tell if someone has had too much to smoke.

 

[DanteX]

Right, so I believe that marijuana should be legal. I'm too tired and lazy to look up facts, cause this is 2:00 am debating, mothafuckas!

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Here's some facts for ya: viewtopic.php?p=5337#p5337

 

[DanteX]

Here's some facts for ya: viewtopic.php?p=5337#p5337

Too lazy to click link...

This fact is off the top of my head, but it's something like 27% of people in Amsterdam, where it's legal, smoke regularly, where that number is much higher (lol) in the U.S.



I'll go ahead and say it: I love pot.

 

[Skillet]

[quote name='Nebulous']Here's some facts for ya: viewtopic.php?p=5337#p5337

Too lazy to click link...

This fact is off the top of my head, but it's something like 27% of people in Amsterdam, where it's legal, smoke regularly, where that number is much higher (lol) in the U.S.



I'll go ahead and say it: I love pot.[/quote]



Defend: What's the benefit of legalizing it? How should it be distributed? Government?

 

[Skillet]

[quote name='Skillet']Defend: What's the benefit of legalizing it? How should it be distributed? Government?

How about wiping out the national debt in about 2 years here in the States when they start taxing it?

[/quote]



Not true.



Added health costs from legal marijuana will outweigh new tax revenues..



* Marijuana is addictive There are many studies that demonstrate a dependency relationship evolving between individuals and marijuana.

* Marijuana use increases the risk of psychosis

* Marijuana impairs brain functions. Many researches conclude that marijuana impairs short-term memory, cognition, and motivations.

* Marijuana smoke is highly damaging to the lungs. Marijuana smoke is more potent than cigarette smoke, with some researches concluding that the negative effect of one joint is equivalent to a pack of cigarettes.

* Marijuana use impairs hormone production. It is frequently cited that marijuana use leads to reductions in sperm levels. This reduction in hormone levels is a major cost of marijuana use.

* Marijuana use impairs the immune system.

* Marijuana use impairs motor skills.

* Marijuana use has been linked to various birth challenges





Increased legal marijuana consumption will decrease economic productivity, too.

 

[Skillet]

I've gotta study, but I'll give you stats from trusted sites later.



My sources on my previous post though:



http://qualifiedsurgeons.org/fellows_in ... ry1001.pdf

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... i_9119707/

http://cannabisnews.com/news/12/thread12860.shtml

http://www.drugwatch.org/Against%20Lega ... 0Drugs.htm



I had one more, I'll try to find it in my history later. Be back to back up my post later.





Oh, how do you feel about decriminalization as opposed to legalization?