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Nation of adults who will write like children?

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I'm more worried about Bieber's grammar, to be honest...​

(CNN) -- A glance at teen stars Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber's letters to their younger selves makes one thing clear: their handwriting is terrible. In the letters, part of the Habbo Celebrity Advice to My Teenage Self book, the content is messy and their cursive signatures are barely legible.



The handwriting of today's teen stars is so atrocious, it's talked about and recognized through the industry, says Justin King, a Toronto-based paparazzi for Flynet Pictures and independent autograph seller. With stars ages 30 and above, they generally have a much more full, legible signature. When you deal with these new people like [teen actress] Elle Fanning, you're lucky if you get an E and F and a heart for her signature.



It's just not the teen stars who can't write properly. Most states don't require children to learn cursive writing anymore. Some 46 states have adopted the Common Core Standards, a set of educational guidelines that do not require cursive writing as part of a school's curriculum. The state of Indiana recently announced it would drop a district requirement to teach cursive writing as of this fall. Instead, students must be able to type on keyboards.



How friends, family spark handwriting change



Technology has pushed cursive writing off the agenda of many school systems across the country. As a result, Handwriting Without Tears founder Jan Olsen sees more sloppy handwriting in schools today.



If you stop teaching handwriting in the second grade, you're going to have a generation of people who write like second graders, says Olsen, whose company teaches a clean and simple style of cursive that avoids the fancy curls and swirls of old-fashioned script.



Are we becoming a country of adults who write like children? Will we be able to understand the power of John Hancock's actual signature on the Declaration of Independence if we can't read the original document? How can we feel the magic of Jane Austen's earliest, unpublished, handwritten manuscript, The Watsons, which recently sold for $1.6 million at auction?



Will younger generations not know the powerful emotions that come from receiving a handwritten love letter that describes all the love someone else feels for you? What about the fear and courage that comes from writing your first love letter that contains all the love you feel for someone else?



'Snail Mail' project promotes art of letters



Handwritten documents convey important cultural information about authors, says Davis Schneiderman, novelist and chair of the English Department at Lake Forest College. These documents also suggest an authenticity that electronically produced documents do not. The Declaration is an index of its time as well as clue to the physicality of its signers. Imagine 'John Hancock' typed in an 18-point Times New Roman font. The proud fury behind his oversized signature would be lost.



Retired schoolteacher Carol Collin also mourns the loss of cursive in children's lives. They miss the sense of pride they get when they can write neatly and elegantly in cursive instead of only knowing manuscript [print], says Collin, who taught for 40 years in the Monterey Peninsula Unified School District in California and still substitute teaches. There are many times in school and as an adult where being able to write elegantly is an advantage. Prospective employers will be impressed by clear, readable, attractive writing.



Educators warn of negative effects of not teaching cursive



Granted, most workplaces are more likely to be dominated by computers and technology than pens and pencils and handwritten thank you notes. Its makes sense that computers are the go-to resource for researching and writing papers and other homework assignments.



And some writing experts aren't worried about children not being able to read the original Declaration of Independence or sign their names in cursive. Historical documents can be reprinted in print form and children can be taught to sign their names in cursive for legal documents and birthday cards.



Handwriting has never been a static art



Yet teens who can't write legibly -- multimillionaire teen celebrities aside -- do suffer. Even though many children use computers to write papers at home, most writing done within the school walls is still done by hand. (The country's ongoing economic problems won't likely add many computers to our nation's public school classrooms in the next few years.)



Without it [cursive handwriting] you lose the sense of having your thought process through your hand movements to create your language and thoughts to someone else, says Michael Sull, a master penman in Spencerian script; past president of the International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers and Teachers of Handwriting; and author of four books on handwriting including, American Cursive Handwriting, which was released last month. There is a great loss in the progress that could be made with children fostering their motor skill development, literacy training and concepts of communication.



Sloppiness makes the reader think the writer's ideas aren't any good, studies show. If you have sloppy handwriting, people make [negative] judgments about the quality of your ideas, says Steven Graham, professor of education at Vanderbilt University.



And poor handwriting slows down the writer. If you write slowly, your hand may not be able to keep up with your mind's attempt to have a thought, form it into a sentence and remember it long enough to write it down. Until you can do this skill quickly and without thinking, it will interfere with your output, says Graham. You better learn to write.



Source: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/LIVING/08/10/handwriting.horror/







So, the questions are as follows:

  1. How would you rate your handwriting on a scale of 1 to 10?
  2. Were you taught to write in cursive?
  3. Should we be worried?

Also, here's a link to a scan of the Declaration of Independence. To be honest I can't read it (aside from the loose word here and there), but that's because it's faded...
 
I can't actually remember when I last wrote anything

of any importance. I write loads of stuff online, but

apart from the odd note to myself, I don't do any

writing offline
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Chatsie said:
I can't actually remember when I last wrote anything

of any importance.







ditto



dont actually write much of length at all these days.......all seems to be typed on a pc............last time i tried actually writing something more than half a dozen lines (a few weeks ago) my fingers and wrist hurt like hell after just a few minutes
 
My handwriting is awful, simply because I haven't had to use it much. I use technology to write with.
 
My handwriting is at times undecipherable, even to me, and has been that way since junior high school.



If I were to be judged solely on that point I would probably be declared illiterate.





However, I can read a printed text with a reasonable level of comprehension and make a somewhat meaningful statement as to what I have read.



And I know something about correct usage and form, when I do use the keyboard to write.



I believe Those two points are more important as to whether I can read my own shopping list.



As to the point about 'written' letters, the fine art of reading smoke signals has passed into history, should it have a government program funded with tax dollars to revive it?
 
Due to the nature of my profession, I have very legible handwriting. I have always taken pride in my handwriting and have been asked by others to write things for them. Trying to decipher doctors handwriting, however, is a whole other beast.
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My handwriting sucks... People complain because it is cursive
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It takes so much longer to write something others can read.

DrLeftover said:
As to the point about 'written' letters, the fine are of reading smoke signals has passed into history, should it have a government program funded with tax dollars to revive it?
I do hope they see that there're more useful things to spend money on...

Jazzy said:
Trying to decipher doctors handwriting, however, is a whole other beast.
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I heard that. Any reason why?
 
Their handwriting is atrocious, but does it really make a difference? It doesn't represent ones intelligence, attitude, or perspective, it represents how good you write, and it's not important. I especially hate it whenever people write in cursive, very rarely do I find it well written, but I notice whenever they write plainly it comes across as much neater, I never really understood why cursive was so necessary for some, for one class that I took a year or so back, it was actually a rule that you had to write in cursive, but it wasn't a rule in any of the other classes, and if you wrote in print than he'd fail you. I didn't write poorly in cursive, but I wrote as if I were a turtle then I spend like an hour trying to remember how to write a Z until I say screw it and decide just to write a plain Z and connect it to my jumble. Cursive handwriting doesn't come across well, it comes across like something you'd see on a nearby pyramid and slowly try to decipher, I see it as idiotic to even be taught to be honest.
 
Personally, I hate having to read anything in Cursive. Makes it at times hard to read.
 
My handwriting is neat enough, but if I slow down a bit it looks quite presentable. I write really small though.
 
my handwriting is pretty bad, it's scribbly but it also changes. I write quite abit but I've never been any good at it.

I actually think Miley's is really neat, it's the grammer that is the problem.



I think it is really sad that alot of people don't write much anymore.
 
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