NDAA

[Dennis]

Well i'm back, at least for now anyways, and i came straight to the debate section to see if there was anything concerning the NDAA...There wasn't so i decided to make a topic.



For those of you who didn't know, the NDAA is an act that was signed into United States law on December 31st, by the big man himself. The act gives 620 something billion dollars in funding for the defense of the United States and its interests abroad. It also helps out with the healthcare of some of the people working in the Department of Defense and puts some economic sanctions against Iran. The most controversial part of this act, however, is the counter-terrorism policy in the nation itself.



Simply put, the Military now has the right to detain United States citizens without trial for an indefinite amount of time in places like Guantanamo Bay. It seems all fine and dandy on the outside, but the fact that these people get no rights to a trial really pisses some people off. How would anyone know if you're taking people away for terrorism, they don't get a trial anyway. They Military may want to detain people who have done no acts of terrorism, and simply say that they did, there's no trial.



So how do you guys feel about this secretive act? Not many broadcasting stations mentioned it all. It's all under the hood.



I think it's a direct violation of the Fourth Amendment...

 

[Evil Eye]

We talked about that for a bit... should be here somewhere.



Anyway, it is rather disturbing. Locking people away before they've done anything sounds like a police state to me.



Also, welcome back

 

[Jazzy]

This is not a new law so not sure why it needs addressing now.

The National Defense Authorization Act is a United States federal law that has been enacted for each of the past 49 years to specify the budget and expenditures of the United States Department of Defense.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act

 

[Dennis]

It needs addressing now because the indefinite detaining of American citizens without trial was only written into the act December 31st, 2011.

 

[Jazzy]

Thank you for that Dennis as I didn't have a link to the new addition to the NDAA.



Did you know:

You can help eliminate indefinite detention and restore due process for US citizens by contacting your representatives and urging them to support the bill H.R.3676.​

H.R.3676 is a one page bill that in clear, unambiguous language amends the detainee provisions of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012 to specifically state that United States citizens may not be detained against their will without all the rights of due process afforded to citizens in a court ordained or established by or under Article III of the Constitution of the United States.​

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3676/show

Taken from: http://nextgenjournal.com/2012/01/the-ndaa-debate/

 

[Dennis]

Oh, thanks for that link. Here is one for you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NDAA_2012

 

[Jazzy]

Thank you for the link!



We all need to contact our representatives and push for the

H.R.3676 bill.​

Hell, if 4.5 million people signed the SOPA petition, which stopped it from being passed, this should be a piece of cake!​

 

[Dennis]

Oh there it is!

Well, it's going to be a lot harder to stop the bill, because it's already been signed. It isn't like SOPA because SOPA was being considered as a bill, this is already in effect.

 

[Dennis]

They just did.......





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[DrLeftover]

That damned George Bush had to do it, Our Beautiful President would never sign such a dasterdly thing.



Right?

 

[Dennis]

That damned George Bush had to do it, Our Beautiful President would never sign such a dasterdly thing.



Right?

It's always Bush

 

[Evil Eye]

That damned George Bush had to do it, Our Beautiful President would never sign such a dasterdly thing.

I wouldn't pass something like that unless I was sure to stay in power... makes me wonder...

 

[Bluezone777]

This is an old trick of the government and it's nothing new. If you couldn't stuff something down the American people's throat as a seperate law then slip it into a popular bill and force them to vote down popular or necessary law or vote it in along with that which you would not support if on its own. I suspect bits and pieces of SOPA/PIPA will find their way into the law books in much the same way this was done. The difference is that there won't be something we can all hate together which we can unite the people against their government when it passes.