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No Evidence: Police Say Video Beating of White Man By Three Black Men Is Not A Hate Crime

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Cowards the lot of them. So scared of being called out on the racism charge. I do not believe in hate crimes laws but at least treat everyone equal if you are going to make absolutely horrible laws.


Earlier this week, we asked whether or not the attack on a white man by three black men in St. Louis was just random violence or if it should be treated as a hate crime.

According to the victim of the attack, a man approached him and asked what he thought about the Michael Brown shooting. When the victim replied that he was too tired to think about it, the man and his friends beat him.

The question, of course, is whether or not this man was beaten because of the color of his skin or for some other reason.

Here's the video, if you haven't seen it yet:

The St. Louis Circuit attorney responsible for determining what charges to file says no. Apparently there is not enough evidence to support a hate crime so one of the attackers, who has since been arrested and identified as 20-year old Ronald Williams, will only be charged with a misdemeanor assault. The primary attacker appears to be a juvenile and has also been arrested. Presumably, he'll be let off with minor charges, as well.

Mikael Thalen reports:

Responding to questions, Chief Warrant Officer Ed Postawko explained why the city did not consider the attack a hate crime.

"We have to prove that the reason, the motivating factor for this specific crime, was not any of these other reasons, it was simply because of the factor of race or religion or national origin," Postawko said.

Speaking with CBS St. Louis, local ADL Director Karen Aoresty argued that the incident should be investigated more closely.

"If in fact those kids did choose their victim because he was white, then there's a legitimate question to ask whether or not hate crime enhancement is appropriate," Aoresty said.

While some outright reject the basis of hate crime laws to begin with, noting that the motivation behind a crime does not change the crime itself, many others feel the law is selectively used in a politically correct fashion.

A "hate crime," by definition, is a crime of thinking a certain way when engaging in criminal activity such as an assault. And while we don't necessarily support the idea of thought crime, the fact is that these laws are on the books and in a Constitutional Republic should be applied equally across the board.

There is, however, overwhelming evidence that "hate crimes" are only determined to be such when the victim is black. When the victim is white, officials often claim that there is a lack of evidence to prosecute under hate legislation.

If you've watched the video of the St. Louis incident then one thing should be clear: The victim was beaten for no other reason than the color of his skin.

Of course, we won't see Attorney General Eric Holder or President Obama giving a press conference on the issue because, you know, racism only comes in one form – white on black. It's just not possible that a black person could also be a racist.

In fact, some schools are teaching that only white males can engage in sexism and racism.

The passage at the center of this brewing controversy takes an inflexible position regarding which individuals are not allowed to be defined as sexists or racists. As it turns out, the textbook's authors apparently believe anyone outside of white males are automatically innocent.

According to the book:

There is no such thing as reverse racism or reverse sexism (or the reverse of any form of oppression). While women can be just as prejudiced as men, women cannot be "just as sexist as men" because they do not hold political, economic, and institutional power.

image: http://cdn5.freedomoutpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/racism-in-america.jpg


Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/04/u...-men-is-not-a-hate-crime/#24I8cTW6SMsDJvi6.99
 
Why do you not believe in "Hate crime" laws???
To say you don't believe in them is like saying you don't believe the mass genocides of the second world war are not hate crimes!!! I got to hear how you can argue that was not a hate crime.
 
All crimes are hate crimes. So to create a law that specifically targets hate seems redundant and dangerous. It gets to close to making laws that prosecute on thoughts. Just punish for the crime and stop making everything about race.
 
Thats a stupid statement "all crimes are hate crimes" so I get drunk & climb onto of a car and go to sleep, wake up in the nick get done for being drunk and disorderly were the hell is the hate in that???? your arguments don't hold water my friend, hate crimes to the vast majority of clear thinking people are crimes that specifically aimed at a race or section of society that falls outside of the norm and have no other basis other than "hate" of skin colour, religion, sexual orientation.
 
Yeah, most definitely not all crimes are hate crimes, unless you want to narrow down your definition of crime to premeditated, in which case yeah that might constitute as "hate". But there are plenty of crimes out there that don't happen intentionally or with the intent of harming or killing someone or damaging property.

In this case, though, it sounded a lot like no matter who they asked--black, white, hispanic, asian--that it wouldn't have mattered. Perhaps they were simply looking for someone to beat up, in which case they found someone and did just that. However, this crime sounds so random that it seems hard to determine the exact reasoning behind it. It's possible it was a hate crime, but how are you going to prove that with hard evidence?
 
Thats a stupid statement "all crimes are hate crimes" so I get drunk & climb onto of a car and go to sleep, wake up in the nick get done for being drunk and disorderly were the hell is the hate in that???? your arguments don't hold water my friend, hate crimes to the vast majority of clear thinking people are crimes that specifically aimed at a race or section of society that falls outside of the norm and have no other basis other than "hate" of skin colour, religion, sexual orientation.

Let me restate that all crimes purposely done against others are hate crimes. But it is a totalitarian intrusion into citizens' thought processes. Government functionaries should not be ceded the dangerous authority to make decisions about motivation. So my argument holds water just fine. Keep race out of it we have enough dividing us already and just keep it about the crime committed.
 
Yeah, most definitely not all crimes are hate crimes, unless you want to narrow down your definition of crime to premeditated, in which case yeah that might constitute as "hate". But there are plenty of crimes out there that don't happen intentionally or with the intent of harming or killing someone or damaging property.

In this case, though, it sounded a lot like no matter who they asked--black, white, hispanic, asian--that it wouldn't have mattered. Perhaps they were simply looking for someone to beat up, in which case they found someone and did just that. However, this crime sounds so random that it seems hard to determine the exact reasoning behind it. It's possible it was a hate crime, but how are you going to prove that with hard evidence?


It was not random they were specifically looking for a white guy to beat up with a set of questions that would give them a excuse to do what they did.
 
Someone just said:

"Keep race out of it we have enough dividing us already and just keep it about the crime committed."


And then immediately afterwards posted:

"It was not random they were specifically looking for a white guy to beat up with a set of questions that would give them a excuse to do what they did."





Doctor - or in your case, frustrated postal worker - heal thyself. :hut:
 
It was not random they were specifically looking for a white guy to beat up with a set of questions that would give them a excuse to do what they did.

They told you that? Wow! Such persuasion you have.
 
Let me restate that all crimes purposely done against others are hate crimes. But it is a totalitarian intrusion into citizens' thought processes. Government functionaries should not be ceded the dangerous authority to make decisions about motivation. So my argument holds water just fine. Keep race out of it we have enough dividing us already and just keep it about the crime committed.

You can restate it as many times as you like but that will not make it true! and as far as I can tell being a mostly sane man, you are all alone in thinking this.

I see you have changed your argument slightly see the bits in red.

All crimes are hate crimes. So to create a law that specifically targets hate seems redundant and dangerous. It gets to close to making laws that prosecute on thoughts. Just punish for the crime and stop making everything about race.
 
Someone just said:

"Keep race out of it we have enough dividing us already and just keep it about the crime committed."


And then immediately afterwards posted:

"It was not random they were specifically looking for a white guy to beat up with a set of questions that would give them a excuse to do what they did."





Doctor - or in your case, frustrated postal worker - heal thyself. :hut:


Yes I did and just because I think it should be about the crime they committed does not mean they are not racists little shits who targeted a white guy to beat up.
 
You can restate it as many times as you like but that will not make it true!

Says you. LOL!

and as far as I can tell being a mostly sane man, you are all alone in thinking this.

I may or may not be alone here in my thinking. Which I find more often to be the case in forums then the real world. Which seems to be a good thing otherwise how boring these places would be. But Americans never see the slippery slope in these things. When the government starts regulating what words are deemed appropriate and illegal then like usual people say how did we get here? Then many will see these hate laws do not treat people equally under the law.



I see you have changed your argument slightly see the bits in red.

I did not change it I just to quickly wrote it without more detail.
 
Either hate crime laws apply across the board or they don't apply at all....of course, the basic problem w/them is that, while there are crimes committed where race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc., are a factor at times, like most laws of their nature, they tend to corrupt over time into a kind of legalistic cudgel that society can use to punish people with.
 
Either hate crime laws apply across the board or they don't apply at all....of course, the basic problem w/them is that, while there are crimes committed where race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, etc., are a factor at times, like most laws of their nature, they tend to corrupt over time into a kind of legalistic cudgel that society can use to punish people with.

And when you are regulating what is hate and what is not you might not be so happy for the law when certain politicians on both sides of the aisle are in charge. Just keep the punishment strictly about the crime committed not what might or might not have been the persons personal inner intentions.
 
And when you are regulating what is hate and what is not you might not be so happy for the law when certain politicians on both sides of the aisle are in charge. Just keep the punishment strictly about the crime committed not what might or might not have been the persons personal inner intentions.
That's what Kurt Schlichter pointed out in a Townhall article I posted over in the Government & Politics section earlier...Schlichter's point being that liberals and zealots could end up rueing their actions over the past few weeks in regards to Indiana's RFRA law and all that; the point he was making there was that one of the things that keeps countries peacable was that, even if you hate your opponents, you stuck to the prevailing rules in place because the potential alternatives were not where anyone wants to go. Very interesting read, Liberty.
 
Is rape a "hate crime"?
 
As I said above any crime purposely done on another person is a hate crime. But it is not a rational way to to run a justice system.
 

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