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OK Governor Signs Law Resentencing Domestic Violence Survivors Convicted of Crimes

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(The Guardian) A big change is coming to the way Oklahoma courts handle the sentencing for domestic violence survivors found guilty of crimes, the Guardian’s Olivia Empson reports: Oklahoma’s governor, Kevin Stitt, signed Senate Bill 1835 at the end of last month – marking a radical change for incarcerated domestic violence survivors in the state.

Also known as Oklahoma’s Survivors Act, the law will be signed into effect on 1 September and will grant hundreds of people who experienced abuse the opportunity to be resentenced with more leniency in what is one of the most extensive reforms to the state’s justice system following years of advocacy.

Incarcerated people in Oklahoma, like Shari McDonald and April Wilkens, whose crimes were motivated by domestic violence, can file for resentencing when the law is signed. Going forward, courts can impose lesser sentences under certain circumstances if abuse is substantiated, and survivors can be considered for a lesser prison range than they were initially eligible for.

Crucially, the legislation will also ensure that future survivors are not judged so harshly by the justice system for acting in self-defense.

Wilkins was 25 years old when she killed her fiance. She alleged he raped, threatened and abused her for years, and that behavior had been happening on the night of the murder. She claims that pulling the trigger had been an act of retaliatory self-defense and never imagined it would be repudiated by the police who arrested her. Over the years, Wilkens had three past protective orders against her fiance and had filed 14 police reports. “What use is a piece of paper, though,” she said, “if you’re dead.”

-Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/17/oklahoma-survivors-act-domestic-violence
 
There are many famous cases under Sharia where a woman that was forcibly raped was then later killed by the Islamic Court because she had sex outside of marriage.... while the man who did it went free.

One such example:

 
There are many famous cases under Sharia where a woman that was forcibly raped was then later killed by the Islamic Court because she had sex outside of marriage.... while the man who did it went free.

One such example:

:thinking: And the relevance here is......what again?
I hate to ask but still..... :thinking:
 
There are many famous cases under Sharia where a woman that was forcibly raped was then later killed by the Islamic Court because she had sex outside of marriage.... while the man who did it went free.

One such example:


The article in question was for the abuse victims who fought back and were charged for it. They're able to get a do over on it.

What you linked isn't even a comparison because Sharia Law treats women like literal trash. THere's literally no chance for her to fight back.
 
because Sharia Law treats women like literal trash.
I don't know if I'd go that far....
What is Islam’s position regarding domestic violence?
Islam prohibits all forms of oppression and injustice (Qur’an 5:8; 4:135; 42:42-43). Muslims scholars agree that Islam does not allow any form of abuse.

Doesn’t the Qur’an instruct men to beat their wives if they are disobedient?
Verse 4:34 in the Qur’an prescribes a step-by-step process for husbands to address a wife’s behavior if she is acting in a manner that would threaten the integrity of the family unit (such as promiscuous behavior). The Arabic word that has often been translated as “beat her” also has many other meanings, such as “leave her.” Scholars who choose the translation of “beat” emphasize that it is symbolic and can leave no mark or injury. These scholars suggest that the husband might use the equivalent of a tissue or blade of grass to make his point. Abusers may take this verse out of context and forget the multiple teachings that emphasize equity, mutual compassion and respect in the marital relationship (Qur’an 4:1; 30:21; 42:38; 49:13; 65:6).

After years of being insulted and abused by my husband, I feel repulsed by him. Will I be punished if I avoid intimate relations with my husband?
The Qur’an emphasizes the mutual rights of husband and wife in all areas, and specifically in the sexual relationship, which should be mutually satisfying (2:187; 4:1; 30:21). A husband must take care of his wife emotionally and physically in order to exercise his right to intimate relations. If a spouse feels repulsed, it is important to explore appropriate options and interventions to remedy the situation.
Now, in Muslim countries, the above may or may not apply (depends on the country; most fall towards the middle on this while some, like Saudi Arabia, fall squarely on the male side of the ledger here).

In the West, however, civil and criminal law is very much in charge, no matter what either side of the Islam debate may say.
 
What you linked isn't even a comparison
Could be worse; at least @DrLeftover is a decent person; I might disagree with him a bunch of different things but I can at least talk to the guy.

When Serafin was here, on the other hand?
You could talk about one thing and he'd take off on all sorts of other tangents.
 
Could be worse; at least @DrLeftover is a decent person; I might disagree with him a bunch of different things but I can at least talk to the guy.

When Serafin was here, on the other hand?
You could talk about one thing and he'd take off on all sorts of other tangents.


Well, damn Webster, you're going to ruin my reputation as a contrarian. But thank you.


I remember Serafin, and for that matter Temerit (I don't remember how to spell his name).

They reminded me of what was said about Edgar Allen Poe: "he could raise an argument in an empty room".
 
Well, damn Webster, you're going to ruin my reputation as a contrarian. But thank you.
*deadpans* Well, we curmudgeons have to stick together. ;)
 
They reminded me of what was said about Edgar Allen Poe: "he could raise an argument in an empty room".
Nah, more like "they could lose an argument in an empty room..."
 
Could be worse; at least @DrLeftover is a decent person; I might disagree with him a bunch of different things but I can at least talk to the guy.
You said it. @DrLeftover is one of the most intelligent individuals I've gotten to know on any forum. Despite a few disagreements, this man is a well of knowledge. If you have questions, chances are he has an answer.
 

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