okay all you racist a$$holes, looks like mike brown paid for those cigars!

[TommyTooter]

i didn't compose this title and it is not aimed at anybody here, but came from the USA politics forum at thoughts.com. the folks in the discussion have been debating politics with each other for five years or more and all of us are over forty.

it's an excellent blog site with a lot of artists, some professionals, contributing original works in many genres. not quite so great as a forum any more for a lot of reasons i won't bore you with now, but an excellent place for you to blog and read blogs. tons of great music posted there every day and lots of original poetry and short stories along with people's autobiographical postings.

http://usapolitics.thoughts.com/pos...ooks-like-mike-brown-did-pay-for-those-cigars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=maA1FUJqhew


Ferguson police's attempts to demonize Michael Brown, the unarmed African-American teen killed by Officer Darren Wilson, may have hit a small snag. The very video they released at the same time as they identified Wilson as the officer responsible for shooting Brown six times, including twice in the head, may show the opposite of what they intended.
While it is difficult to be 100% certain, the video appears to show Brown purchasing some cigars, but lacking the money for the amount he wished to buy. Brown seems to purchase some cigarillos, pay for them, attempt to buy more, then replace the ones he could not afford.

The confrontation between Brown and the clerk may have been because Brown impatiently reached across the counter. Perhaps it was wrong for Brown to shove the employee (it is impossible to know what words were exchanged) but this footage seems to exonerate him. It is important to note that Brown only shoved the clerk after he put his hands on him.



Crooks and Liars

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show



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Gulfman
Yep,I always choke the clerk too on the way out after I ’ve paid
August 20, 2014

tjtooter
what happened to innocent until proven guilty and receiving a punishment that fit the crime? since when is simple assault a capital offense?
August 20, 2014

carla_danger
At 36 seconds you can clearly see the clerk clasp currency in his hands.
August 20, 2014

jjj22
then why did the clerk call it in?
August 20, 2014

carla_danger
The store owner never called the police. Why wouldn’t the store owner report a robbery?
August 20, 2014

Delmarva
It’s the conservatives and their blatant racism that floated that story. Just like the story that Brown was high on marijuana. Where did that come from?
August 20, 2014

tjtooter
some clueless idiot, no doubt. anybody who really knows the ghetto, knows that weed smoking homies aren’t the ones who do the crazy, violent shit. it’s the ones doing meth, crack, sherms (PCP) and that goofy shit made from the skittles, watermelon tea and cough syrup sweet martyred trayvon was heading home from the store with when that awful racist zimmy gunned him down in cold blood you can expect to get nuts (two losers go head to head and enthrall the entire country for almost two years. yee haw!)
August 20, 2014

killingtime
It’s Obama’s fault. (snicker).
August 20, 2014

12SunOryx
I used this very video in an argument on Twitter, and the conservative dickhead still kept insisting Mike Brown was a criminal who deserved to be shot, unarmed, on the street. Fucking psychotic nutjob if you ask me, and sadly I’ve come across several like him.
August 20, 2014

monkeygirl21
Even criminals do not deserve to be shot. What happened to the punishment fitting the crime? Not to mention the cop did not even know that Brown might be a suspect. No one even seems to be asking why he even stopped to bother two kids walking in the street when there were already police calls to attend to. I also find it hard to believe he would have even taken a second look at two white kids in the street. Also, does anyone know if they do a drug test on the officer after a shooting? From witness accounts, he seemed to be looking for a fight, (the officer), which makes me wonder.
August 20, 2014

12SunOryx
Far as I can tell, unless someone can bring some evidence forward, Mike Brown was shot for jaywalking. When the community stands up and asks why, they get more guns pointed at them telling them to shut up. Fuck those cops, they are behaving like barbarians and I have no sympathy for them having to deal with the wrath of the community for protecting who everyone knows is a murderer.
August 20, 2014

tjtooter
brother, i couldn’t have said it better myself in so few words. mike brown was executed for jaywalking.
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sure mike brown was a thug, but all he was doing was walking in the street when he got ENTERDETAINED by a psychopathic cop (my coinage: entertain + detain is enterdetainment: the involuntary imposition of will and interrogation by a sworn armed public servant for the purpose of determining whether there is probable cause to incarcerate the enterdetained civilian observed in a public place fitting a profile for a person who is potentially mentally ill and/or a felony suspect or fugitive) .
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FTP!! what goes around comes around. they should be fucking grateful that jesse jackson and al sharpton are on the set, but instead the conservatards are all yammering about them being racist shit stirrers. if i was a member of an oppressed minority like the american blacks or the palestinian arabs, i’d have an attitude about my oppressor too, but those men are preaching non-violent solutions and demanding justice by our rule of law.
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the police are saying fuck the rule of law. shut up and forget it or we’ll arrest you too and if you resist too much, we’ll kill you. that’s full blown fascism. anybody who isn’t outraged yet is either a brain dead zombie wage slave or in on the action – as we used to say during the fun years (1965-1975), they’re either fools or tools.
August 20, 2014

carla_danger
Hi Mgirl, how’s it going?
August 20, 2014

carla_danger
I’d like to know why they don’t have dash cams, when they’ve got everything else under the sun, and why he was allowed to drive away with his patrol car, supposedly containing evidence.
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The whole thing stinks.
August 20, 2014

tjtooter
love you, MG. you too 12sun and carla = nukie? hail, hail the gangs all here! maybe snoops will even get her shit together enough to join in on this one. wilstonegreen could even be lurking. i’m pretty sure he told me he still reads this site, but won’t say anything any more.
you guys are among very few people besides myself on either side of these aftermath/pre-trial arguments who remember to interject those sorts of salient points into the argument. mac’s pretty good at it too, but he has a bad habit of overkill most of the time. you even thought of one i didn’t – drug screening the officer. i would imagine that should be SOP by now in the post-shooting investigation protocols.
August 20, 2014

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Watched that video four times to see if there might be some truth to him paying. My conclusion is its amazing the things people will make up when its obvious he was stealing. I do not even think MSNBC would be dumb enough to try and pull of that kind of crap scenario.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

If the store owner had just armed himself this could have been a different story.

 

[TommyTooter]

Watched that video four times to see if there might be some truth to him paying. My conclusion is its amazing the things people will make up when its obvious he was stealing. I do not even think MSNBC would be dumb enough to try and pull of that kind of crap scenario.

i haven't had the time to look at it yet. what do you see at 36 seconds? that's the point the OP said she saw him pay. i'm going to go run it now, but i need to use the other browser. for some reason opera won't play videos.

remember, robbery or no robbery, brown was stopped for jaywalking by a cop who was completely unaware of the incident at the store.

 

[TommyTooter]

i didn't see anything that was definitely cash changing hands at :36 but it did look like he reached into his shoe for something and handed it across the counter at that point.

 

[Jazzy]

Michael Brown Strong Armed Robbery Tape Released

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMAUgRfzJDU

Does this look like he paid for those cigars?

 

[TommyTooter]

he was already away from the counter. that video doesn't say anything but that he roughed up the clerk on the way out of the store for some reason.

the way the alternate version goes is that he took more cigars than he had money to pay for, put some back and paid for the rest.

 

[Jazzy]

How about this version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOWs03_Hfoc

 

[TommyTooter]

it is impossible to tell from the footage whether or not he paid for the cigars. if he paid, it happened when he bent down, apparently to get the cash from his sock and moved into the camera, apparently where the register was, but you can't actually see the cash go over the counter. i definitely agree with sotomayor's whole rap, though.

it is undisputed eyewitness testimony that the only probable cause for detaining him in the first place was that he and his sidekick were walking in the street. the ferguson police have already admitted that the shooter was unaware of the alleged robbery.

like sotomayor said, unless they can show he really went for the cop's gun and had it on him when he got wasted, there is no legal justification for putting 8 rounds in him. even if he did rob the store, that is still not a capital offense and he deserved a trial .

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lets say he did pay which nothing I see shows he did. Obviously the person running the store was disturbed by something he did and wanted something resolved before he left. So we could add assault to the charges besides theft. I dont know if we will ever hear the story from the employee since he is now probably fearing for his life.

 

[TommyTooter]

Lets say he did pay which nothing I see shows he did. Obviously the person running the store was disturbed by something he did and wanted something resolved before he left. So we could add assault to the charges besides theft. I dont know if we will ever hear the story from the employee since he is now probably fearing for his life.

it's still all moot because wilson was unaware of it when he stopped brown and diverts from the actual event. wilson stopped brown for jaywalking. something in his treatment of brown provoked brown to blast him in the face, half blinding him. wilson needed 8 shots to stop brown. some of those shots were fired after brown was on the ground.

that is the time span that's going to get picked apart. was there probable cause to stop him in the first place? was there anything in wilson's conduct that exculpates brown for cleaning his clock? were the killing shots justifiable once brown is on the ground?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Lets say he did pay which nothing I see shows he did. Obviously the person running the store was disturbed by something he did and wanted something resolved before he left. So we could add assault to the charges besides theft. I dont know if we will ever hear the story from the employee since he is now probably fearing for his life.

it's still all moot because wilson was unaware of it when he stopped brown and diverts from the actual event. wilson stopped brown for jaywalking. something in his treatment of brown provoked brown to blast him in the face, half blinding him. wilson needed 8 shots to stop brown. some of those shots were fired after brown was on the ground.

that is the time span that's going to get picked apart. was there probable cause to stop him in the first place? was there anything in wilson's conduct that exculpates brown for cleaning his clock? were the killing shots justifiable once brown is on the ground?

The cop may have been unaware. But the guy just abused someone and stole from a store. My guess is when the cop approached him his defenses went up and probably thought this guy might think the store owner called the cops and that cop might think he is that person they are looking for.

 

[TommyTooter]

it's not clear that he stole anything. one version has him taking more than he could pay for, putting some back and the clerk challenging him about whether he had paid for everything.

what is clear is that he got detained for jaywalking and wilson managed to provoke him enough somehow to blast him in the face. what happened between the time that brown was walking on the street and the time he punched wilson is going to have a critical bearing on wilson's guilt or innocence as well as what they decide about all the shots. the coroner said it was too many and witnesses say he was on the ground when the lethal shots were fired.