Prisoner in van said Freddie Gray was ‘trying to injure himself,’ document says

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

If true then it makes the burning down of a town, destroying it's economy for god knows how many years and making people even more poor then they already are even more pathetic. Good job looters and thugs!

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BALTIMORE — A prisoner sharing a police transport van with Freddie Gray told investigators that he could hear Gray “banging against the walls” of the vehicle and believed that he “was intentionally trying to injure himself,” according to a police document obtained by The Washington Post.

The prisoner, who is currently in jail, was separated from Gray by a metal partition and could not see him. His statement is contained in an application for a search warrant, which is sealed by the court. The Post was given the document under the condition that the prisoner not be named because the person who provided it feared for the inmate’s safety.

The document, written by a Baltimore police investigator, offers the first glimpse of what might have happened inside the van. It is not clear whether any additional evidence backs up the prisoner’s version, which is just one piece of a much larger probe.

Gray was found unconscious in the wagon when it arrived at a police station on April 12. The 25-year-old had suffered a spinal injury and died a week later, touching off waves of protests across Baltimore, capped by a riot Monday in which hundreds of angry residents torched buildings, looted stores and pelted police officers with rocks.

Police have said they do not know whether Gray was injured during the arrest or during his 30-minute ride in the van. Local police and the U.S. Justice Department both have launched investigations of Gray’s death.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...gainst-the-walls-during-ride/2015/04/29/56d7d

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[Mercedes01]

I don't reckon he severed his own spine.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I don't reckon he severed his own spine.

Well there also reports his back was already recently hurt from a recent accident. Maybe true, maybe not? But that is why you have a investigation and do not go off all crazy like.

 

[Mercedes01]

Well the Afro Americans remind me of the Palestinians in the sense they have
been given a rough ride for too many years now.

It's the only way they know how to vent because for years their cries
have been ignored.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Well the Afro Americans remind me of the Palestinians in the sense they have
been given a rough ride for too many years now.

It's the only way they know how to vent because for years their cries
have been ignored.

Just like the Palestinians who have freely decided to live the life of violence so have the blacks in the inner city who have chosen to act like victims and blame the white man or republicans for there problems instead of themselves. And yet that very city has been run by blacks and democrats since the 1960s. They have no one to blame but themselves. Instead of taking personal responsibility and decide they will do better for there lives like Ben Carson has done who came from one of the toughest cities in America.

This is the man the black community should be idolizing not the rappers who degrade women, work and family values. But blaming those evil white people is just easy and lazy.

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Ben Carson Biography
Journalist, Surgeon, Philanthropist (1951–)

• Journalist, Surgeon, Philanthropist
  BIRTH DATE
  September 18, 1951 (age 63)
  EDUCATION
  Yale University, University Of Michigan Medical School, Johns Hopkins University, Southwestern High School
  PLACE OF BIRTH
  Detroit, Michigan
  ZODIAC SIGN
  Virgo
  SYNOPSIS
• EARLY LIFE
• INFLUENTIAL MOTHER
• EARLY EDUCATION
• ANGER ISSUES
• BEGINNING SURGICAL CAREER
• SEPARATING CONJOINED TWINS

Ben Carson overcame his troubled youth in inner-city Detroit to become a gifted neurosurgeon famous for his work separating conjoined twins.

Synopsis
QUOTES
“I also came to realize that if people could make me angry they could control me. Why should I give someone else such power over my life?”
—Ben Carson
Ben Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan, on September 18, 1951. His mother, though undereducated herself, pushed her sons to read and to believe in themselves. Carson went from being a poor student to receiving honors and he eventually attended medical school. As a doctor, he became the Director of Pediatric Neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins Hospital at age 33, and became famous for his ground-breaking work separating conjoined twins.

Early Life
Benjamin Solomon Carson was born in Detroit, Michigan, on September 18, 1951. The second son of Sonya and Robert Solomon Carson, Ben grew up in the hardened climate of inner-city Detroit. Ben's mother was raised in Tennessee in a very large family. She dropped out of school in the third grade.

With not much hope or prospects in life, she married Baptist minister Robert Carson when she was 13, believing that he would change her life. The couple moved to Detroit, Michigan, and for a time, the marriage was a success. Carson showered his wife with gifts and attention. But over time, Robert Carson changed. Though benevolent, he could also be domineering and erratic. In time, Sonya felt it was best for her sons if she and Robert divorced.

Influential Mother
Ben was 8 and Curtis, Ben's brother, was 10 when Sonya was left to raise the children on her own. The family was very poor, and to make ends meet Sonya sometimes took on two or three jobs at a time in order to provide for her boys. Most of the jobs she had were as a domestic servant. There were occasions when her boys wouldn't see her for days at a time, because she would go to work at 5:00 a.m. and come home around 11:00 p.m., going from one job to the next.

Carson's mother was frugal with the family's finances, cleaning and patching clothes from the Goodwill in order to dress the boys. The family would also go to local farmers and offer to pick corn or other vegetables in exchange for a portion of the yield. She would then can the produce for the kids' meals. Her actions, and the way she managed the family, proved to be a tremendous influence on Ben and Curtis.

Sonya also taught her boys that anything was possible. By his recollection many years later, Ben Carson had thoughts of a career in medicine, though it was more of a fantasy many young children harbor as they grow up. Because his family was on medical assistance, they would have to wait for hours to be seen by one of the interns at the hospital. Ben would listen to the pulse of the hospital as doctors and nurses went about their routines.

Occasionally, there'd be an emergency and he could hear in people's voices and in their quick movements the pace and emotions rise to meet the challenge. He'd hear the PA system call for a "Dr. Jones" and fantasized that one day they'd be calling for a "Dr. Carson."

http://www.biography.com/people/ben-carson-475422#influential-mother

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[Mercedes01]

I'm not bloody reading all that.

I know what I'm on about and that's all that matters.

I loath chapters of copied & pasted shit.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I'm not bloody reading all that.

I know what I'm on about and that's all that matters.

I loath chapters of copied & pasted shit.

It is just the incredible life of a man who did not blame everyone else for his troubles in a part of America people claim people can't make something of there lives.

 

[Mercedes01]

Live a day in their shoes and then get back to me.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Live a day in their shoes and then get back to me.

I'm back! I was homeless for a year at 17 and a high school drop out. And a get in trouble street brawler.

Now I have a beautiful wife of 10 years everyone said I could never win over and a light year above my class and education. Several nice cars and a motorcycle. A nice home I dreamed about having. My own successful business. And this uneducated buffoon got promotions in my job over other far more educated people before I started my business because I compensated a lack of education for working harder and laughing off the people who said I couldn't do it or I was wrong. I was responsible for millions of dollars every year because I earned the trust and learned my trade through many night courses the corporation provided. Still never got my high school diploma though. Don't recommend it for others but for me it is a badge of honor I still made it without it.

 

[Jazzy]

I think we should all wait until official reports such as the autopsy are out before making judgments. We can not know if these leaks are true or false and where they're really coming from. If the family, protesters and police want justice they should be waiting for official reports to come out.

 

[Dee]

I think we should all wait until official reports such as the autopsy are out before making judgments. We can not know if these leaks are true or false and where they're really coming from. If the family, protesters and police want justice they should be waiting for official reports to come out.

Whoa, whoa, Jazzy, wait a minute. That would require the American citizens to be level-headed, mature, and intelligent about these kinds of things. You're asking WAY TOO MUCH of them! Unless, of course, they're all experts in forensic science with degrees in the matter, which would make them totally qualified to express an educated opinion about a situation they did not witness, nor have access to information gathered by the authorities.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Now if only a city that destroyed itself thought that way.

 

[Bluezone777]

I like to point out just because you can point one who done well for themselves doesn't mean anything. There is always going to be outliers who differ greatly from the average result. As for the incident spoken of in the OP, I'd say we need the official police report to make any determinations of any kind. I'd say the people looting and vandalizing the town without proof of any wrongdoing done are just illustrating their prejudice. Anyone assuming nothing could have possible been done that was wrong without the police report and investigation are just showing their prejudice in saying such things.

As for TL, you like to think you made it all on your own but you are wrong. You made it because people gave you chances to succeed such as those courses you were offered. I would ask would you be where you are if no such courses were offered and no grace of any kind was offered for the life you were living and the education you lacked? If they all said no high school education and no place of residence means no chances to earn anything so piss off. You would still be homeless and with nothing you currently have and enjoy regardless of your efforts. It doesn't mean your efforts didn't play a role in your success but there was other things beyond yourself that helped you to be where you are yet you don't recognize nor acknowledge them out of pride.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I like to point out just because you can point one who done well for themselves doesn't mean anything. There is always going to be outliers who differ greatly from the average result. As for the incident spoken of in the OP, I'd say we need the official police report to make any determinations of any kind. I'd say the people looting and vandalizing the town without proof of any wrongdoing done are just illustrating their prejudice. Anyone assuming nothing could have possible been done that was wrong without the police report and investigation are just showing their prejudice in saying such things.

As for TL, you like to think you made it all on your own but you are wrong. You made it because people gave you chances to succeed such as those courses you were offered. I would ask would you be where you are if no such courses were offered and no grace of any kind was offered for the life you were living and the education you lacked? If they all said no high school education and no place of residence means no chances to earn anything so piss off. You would still be homeless and with nothing you currently have and enjoy regardless of your efforts. It doesn't mean your efforts didn't play a role in your success but there was other things beyond yourself that helped you to be where you are yet you don't recognize nor acknowledge them out of pride.

How many do you want? It means everything if you have two working hands, feet and a stable mind. Otherwise it is a bullshit excuse. If this man can do it without arms! Then everything else from people saying they can't is utter nonsense like saying I can't do it because of my enviroment.



Here is another one.




No, I made it all on my own because I showed a company I am very grateful towards I would do the crap jobs no one else would do for years that required no education without complaining, which then prompted a company to give me a little bit more responsibility. To eventually work my way way up to management. It is one of the main reasons I support the freedom of businesses over government control. If I thought it was 100% all me and nothing else that got me to wear I am now I would have never mentioned the education they gave me that is now paying my salary for my business.

 

[Webster]

I'm not bloody reading all that.

I know what I'm on about and that's all that matters.

I loath chapters of copied & pasted shit.

It is just the incredible life of a man who did not blame everyone else for his troubles in a part of America people claim people can't make something of there lives.

Say whatever you want about the man himself, Mercedes, but you cannot deny that Dr. Ben Carson is probably one of the best pediatric neurosurgeons' of the past 2-3 decades...period, full stop.

 

[Webster]

I think we should all wait until official reports such as the autopsy are out before making judgments. We can not know if these leaks are true or false and where they're really coming from. If the family, protesters and police want justice they should be waiting for official reports to come out.

Agreed....but, knowing how a lot of these cases have gone in the past, don't be surprised by certain "individuals" w/in the law enforcement community (such as from w/in the police unions) leaking info to the public in an effort to, [a]poison the minds of the public in regards to the victim, Freddie Gray, (b)poison the well w/regards to any trial in the hopes of getting either an outright acquittal or a hung jury and/or [c]smearing the prosecuting attorney to the point of requiring a special prosecutor to come in and handle the case.

 

[mrldii]

Unfortunately, Donte Allen, Freddie Gray's ride-share partner, has now gone on record stating he never said such a thing. He's pretty emphatic about it...and, according to police, he was there...so, we should be able to presume he was there...and therefore, would know what he did and did not say.

It's kind of interesting that it took 17 days for the police report with this information to surface. One would think that as soon as they'd opened the van door to let the passengers out, Mr. Allen would have immediately stated, "WOW...he was throwing himself around in the van, almost like he was trying to break his own spine, just to make you guys look bad"...or words to that effect

and it would have come out...oh-I-don't-know...*like* within seventeen minutes/hours of the discovery of him being dead...as opposed to seventeen days later, when there's been enough time to concoct compile a story.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stead-claiming-heard-small-banging-quiet.html

 

[Wikdfury]

Freddie Gray 's death was ruled a homicide this morning. Charges are being pressed but I doubt they will all stick. The catch of depraved heart is going to be the kicker that will be very hard to prove. I honestly believe they choose a charge that would be difficult to land a slam dunk with so they can rationalize it when he's given a lesser charge in a plea or found not guilty.

They better convict on more than simple wrongful imprisonment.

Police are still withholding the radio calls that were taken that day. What else are they hiding? How corrupt is this town?

 

[Dee]

Freddie Gray 's death was ruled a homicide this morning. Charges are being pressed but I doubt they will all stick. The catch of depraved heart is going to be the kicker that will be very hard to prove. I honestly believe they choose a charge that would be difficult to land a slam dunk with so they can rationalize it when he's given a lesser charge in a plea or found not guilty.

They better convict on more than simple wrongful imprisonment.

Police are still withholding the radio calls that were taken that day. What else are they hiding? How corrupt is this town?

The well-being of the man in custody was the police's responsibility, just like it's an EMT's responsibility to get a patient to the hospital while doing everything they can to keep them stable and save their life if need be--period. There were things that didn't happen that aren't being made apparent to the public just yet that brought about those charges, and although it seems like they might be difficult to stick and bring about a conviction, I'd wager SOMEONE gets in trouble for SOMETHING, which I hope is more than a slap on the wrist and firings.

 

[mrldii]

John Miller was on CBS this morning discussing the "rough ride" aspect. Up until this morning, I enjoyed his input whenever he's been on, even back when he was a regular. He said all of this with a straight face. I've lost all respect for him, now.


"While some question whether Freddie Gray died from injuries sustained from a 'rough ride' in the police van after his arrest, Deputy Commissioner of Intelligence and Counterterrorism for the New York City Police Department says he's not aware of such practices..."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/nypds-john-miller-ive-never-heard-of-police-rough-rides/