Republicans vs Democrats

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If you don't know what he promised then why are you defending the guy?

What am I defending him from besides initially what Joshua posted? I believe I've said that I know he has broken some promises, I even posted a link providing such information.

Guantánamo Bay for starters.

Touché. There must be a reason behind this though. Has he completely froze any movement to close it? Or has it just become a severely stalled project?

 

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Well, for one you're or were defending the guy about breaking promises about the healthcare bill...



Making it cheaper for everyone = False

When did he say it would be cheaper for everyone?

Everyone can keep their doctor = False



Need I say more?

What in the bill makes this 'false'?

 

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By saying it would be more affordable...

The bill will drive down health care costs.



And, there's a lot of cases that people wont be able to keep their doctor that they were promised they could... Do you live in a dark box? Come out, see the light and to reality please...[/quote]



Who? Where? I haven't heard of people being forced to switch doctors because of this legislation...

 

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While that is still technically true



Bam out of the second one.



And I thought we were talking about how much it would cost American individuals, not just the federal government.

 

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The fact is its true. You said Obama lied and that itself was the lie.

 

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K, Obama lied, healthcare reform makes everything more expensive, everyone has to go through a doctor swap and the government is going to run American health care into the ground.



That was Obama's objective and he got it

 

[civilwarrocks]

[quote name='DrLeftover']Go check out this guy.



http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman...ernment-can-do-most-anything-in-this-country/

Wow, that lady is such an idiot. Conservatives are such idiots. She is advocating the removal of the Federal Reserve, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, People Without Insurance Getting Care at an Emergency room, The National Parks act.... Conservatives are so self centered and so ignorant so much of the time. Providing health care for all Americans is not slavery.



Who the hell is she to say that those many many people working very hard across the country at minimum wage jobs for small businesses shouldn't be able to get healthcare? Its idiot like her that are the reason we have the 37th best health care in the world. Our private insurance system is so corrupt and so overrun by greed its fucking ridiculous. You pay into a system all your life and then when you get cancer they say, oops we don't have any money for you, it all went to our executive's mansions because unlike you sir, they work very hard and deserve to have the money that they have, and their lives have value.



Conservatives are the reason why we are falling behind in the world. They refuse to accept the fact that society changes and evolves over time. I hear Glenn Beck bashing on Obama and everything he does, saying they are terrible and ridiculous proposals, but I never hear solutions from the conservatives. Never. All they care about are their damn guns that they shouldn't even have, they don't care about hard-working people who are getting screwed over by the system. That woman is what is destroying America, that type of voter. Not some meek elderly and incompetent candidate for an elected office.



It makes me so frustrated for people to continue to argue that healthcare shouldn't be a right, when we have/had 50 million uninsured, the vast majority of those working, working hard. Conservatives only care about them and their own family, anything that does good for others but hurts them in the least is no good. They don't care about others. And it pains me to see the reality of our nation, and how conservatives continue to oppose measure that would fix so many of our problems.



If I had to align myself with a political party it would have to be the Democrats of course, but I would prefer not to. I generally agree with the generalization that Republicans are ****ing assholes and Democrats are ****ing pussies.



Here check out this Republican candidate for Governor of Tennessee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOlM1pPMNBc[/quote]



For the record, I am uninsured & I oppose government run healthcare.

I don't associate myself with either of the mainstream parties. I'm a Libertarian.

 

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Why do you oppose a public option?



Why do you oppose a single-payer system?

 

[DrLeftover]

We already have it.



It is called Medicaid.



And it is so overrun with bureaucracy, waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement, that it is damned near unworkable.



How is making it even bigger going to fix it?

 

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Well, Medicare and Medicaid already cover those that are the heaviest drain on our healthcare system.

How is making it even bigger going to fix it?

It won't, but it is possible to construct a public health care system that works (better than a purely private system). E.G. Germany/France

And it is so overrun with bureaucracy, waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement, that it is damned near unworkable.

Our private healthcare system is overrun with waste, greed, fraud, corruption and inhumane savagery.



Medicaid is old, it needs to be reformed, and re-calibrated.

 

[DrLeftover]

Roger Clemens to be arraigned Monday

WASHINGTON -- Officials at the federal courthouse in Washington say that seven-time Cy Young Award winner Roger Clemens will be arraigned Monday afternoon on criminal charges.

The former pitcher will appear before U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton for allegedly lying to Congress about his use of steroids.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5499718&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines



If it is such a serious crime to lie to Congress, why is it OK to Congress to lie to us?

 

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Seriously..