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SCOTUS Rules Municipalities Can Punish Unhoused People Sleeping Outdoors

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(The Guardian) Court rules unhoused people sleeping outside can be punished
The supreme court has ruled that a town in Oregon can fine and jail people sleeping outside even when they have no access to shelter, in a decision that stands to impact the approach to homelessness in cities across the US.

The justices ruled in favor of the city of Grants Pass, which in 2019 passed ordinances prohibiting sleeping and camping in its public parks and on its streets, banning unhoused people from “using a blanket, pillow, or cardboard box for protection from the elements”.

Justice Neil Gorsuch, who authored the ruling, wrote: Homelessness is complex. Its causes are many. So may be the public policy responses required to address it. The question this case presents is whether the Eighth Amendment grants federal judges primary responsibility for assessing those causes and devising those responses.

Gorsuch continued: A handful of federal judges cannot begin to ‘match’ the collective wisdom the American people possess in deciding ‘how best to handle’ a pressing social question like homelessness.

The Grants Pass case originated with a challenge by Debra Blake, a woman convicted of illegal camping in the small Oregon mountain town, where rents are rising and there is only one overnight shelter for adults.

Blake became the lead plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit that ultimately was decided in her favor by the ninth-circuit of appeals in 2022.

The court ruled that Grants Pass could not enforce its camping ban if it didn’t provide shelter, saying that criminalizing sleeping outside when shelter is unavailable constituted “cruel and unusual punishment”.

The decision applied to the western states of Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. The Oregon town appealed to the supreme court.
 
The govt will punish the homeless but will give free room and board to immigrants coming across the border illegally. Make it make sense.
 
The govt will punish the homeless but will give free room and board to immigrants coming across the border illegally. Make it make sense.
Two separate thoughts there; I'll push the second one at the end to the side for the time being,.
On the first point, I don't think its' so much "punish the homeless" but if someone voluntarily chooses to be homeless even after being offered assistance/shelter, why should we then allow them to dictate public policy?

Now, I've known a few homeless people in my life; most have made an honest effort to get their lives in order. Those people we should help; where I have a problem is when someone chooses to live on the streets and rejects, as many of them do, assistance/shelter when offered to them.
 
Two separate thoughts there; I'll push the second one at the end to the side for the time being,.
On the first point, I don't think its' so much "punish the homeless" but if someone voluntarily chooses to be homeless even after being offered assistance/shelter, why should we then allow them to dictate public policy?

This is what the article says though

"Court rules unhoused people sleeping outside can be punished
The supreme court has ruled that a town in Oregon can fine and jail people sleeping outside even when they have no access to shelter."

If they cant get access to it, they're gonna be fined and jailed. It's not so much being offered shelter and those people refusing, it's people who CANT get access to it and they're still going to be fined.

If they legitimately cant not find shelter and they get arrested for it, that's messed up on so many levels.
 
it's people who CANT get access to it and they're still going to be fined.
That's on the local communities but in a lot of smaller towns/cities they simply don't have either the money or the space to have homeless shelters, which means they have to depend on private help for those things and whenever that happens, often you get the dreaded NIMBY effect.

Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
And in this case, they're being arrested as a result. I mean its there in black and white. If you cant find shelter, off to jail you go lol.

Nobody's mentioned the ones who refuse to get their act together, that's a whole nother story, lol.
 
And in this case, they're being arrested as a result. I mean its there in black and white. If you cant find shelter, off to jail you go lol.
I agree. Arresting them and throwing them in prison isn't fixing the problem. The homeless need support, mental help, life coaching, government housing, food, and job opportunities.
 
If you cant find shelter, off to jail you go lol.
And if they're offered shelter and they refuse, then what?

Its' black and white, to use your words; if someone is on the streets for circumstances beyond their control, by all means let's try and help them. If they're out there voluntarily by choice? I'm sorry, my sympathies ran out a long time ago.
 
And if they're offered shelter and they refuse, then what?

Its' black and white, to use your words; if someone is on the streets for circumstances beyond their control, by all means let's try and help them. If they're out there voluntarily by choice? I'm sorry, my sympathies ran out a long time ago.

But that's the thing in this country, the homeless problem isn't on the list of priorities in most cities. Nobody really wants to fit the bill to fix any of it in their respective cities but by the same token, free room and board are being given out to people crossing the border like it's candy in those same cities. That's not my opinion, that's literally what's been going on over the last year and a half and to this day I've never been given an actual answer as to why.

Again, im not talking about the ones who REFUSE to accept shelter when given to them.
 

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