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Stop Freaking Out About ISIS

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Now that Ferguson, Missouri, is not producing enough tear gas to keep CNN's attention, I couldn't help but notice Chuck Hagel bouncing in his chair, talking about how ISIS is a greater peril than anything mankind has faced since the saber-toothed tiger. Somewhere, just off screen, John McCain is preparing two lists: people we should have bombed, and people we should bomb now. There's a big CNN fear graphic on the screen right this moment asking "Does ISIS have cells in the US?" There's a queue extending out into the parking lot of politicos waiting their turn to shake a finger at President Obama for not rushing back to the White House to deal with this Urgent Threat of Unprecedented Proportion. While wearing a tie. As God intended.
You know how much threat ISIS represents to the United States? None. That's how much. Exactly none. If there was a value less than none, then it would be that, but there's not, so none is the answer.

You know what does represent a threat to the the United States, a bona fide danger to our continued existence as the land of the semi-free and occasionally bravish? Acting as if every person who says they want to turn the United States into dictatorial hell hole, is capable of making the United States their bitch. ISIS is a ragtag organization on the far side of the world, armed mostly with the discards we either sold to the last set of thugs (note: proper use of the term) who used the gear to cow their relatives, or the stuff we left sitting around because bringing the old stuff back threatened all those contracts for building new stuff. ISIS could no more threaten the United States than Lindsey Graham could punch God in the nose. The existential threat level is green. Or at least, it should be.

As the Deputy Undersecretary of Pogo might say, we have determined the source of the threat, and we're it.

Come on inside. Let's talk.

You know what ISIS is? A bunch of politicians. People trying to build a power base. A bunch of guys who understand, as politicians have grasped since Sargon handed out blocks of cuneiform about how he really kicked Ur-Zababa's Akkadian ass, that war extends beyond swords, guns, tanks, and bombs. It includes press releases on really nice stationery, scratchy cassette tapes from a fictional cave, videos of old dudes walking in the mountains.

Of course James Foley's death is a tragedy. Of course it was a barbaric act. Of course the English Leather-scented narration was intended to generate a frisson of "Oh, they sound so civilized while acting so evil." Of fucking course it was meant to scare us.

Here's the super-secret strategy on how to handle it: Don't act scared.

Is ISIS planning to follow the al-Qaeda script for world domination? Eh, no. But let's say they are. So why don't you get bin Laden on the phone and ask him how poking big dogs with a pointy stick worked out for him. Unavailable? Well, check al-Qaeda's No. 2 man, or the other No. 2 guy, or that other No. 2 guy. Hmm.

The day before 9/11, al-Qaeda had a well-defined leadership structure, bank accounts around the world, a country where they were welcome to set up their terrorist jungle gyms, and dreams of world conquest. How much of that is left?

Sure, I can hear people preparing a flustered "but al-Qaeda is everywhere!," cut off the hydra's head, blah blah blah. The truth is that most people calling themselves al-Qaeda have as much relationship to the original organization as your pal who owns a storm trooper helmet has to the Star Wars Empire. Al-Qaeda in this, al-Qaeda in that, may contain plenty of people who are brutal, angry, and murderous, but they're not al-Qaeda. They use that name because they think it scares you. They'd probably like to hold fan conventions, but they don't, because ... drones.

Bin Laden (whose real relationship to 9/11 was more one of "Hey boss, these guys have a crazy idea, and if we put in a little start-up funding, it might pay off" rather than "You go left, I'll hike the ball, and the rest of you head for Boston") was a politician too. One who—because he didn't have a power base—was more interested in shaking things up to see what happened. Give those U.S. folks a quick hook to the chin, then kick them in the balls, and see if they doesn't crawl away and cry. Maybe we'll get a big slice of the ashes! Only ... no.

Still, you can't say that al-Qaeda wasn't extremely successful. Not at killing Americans. We managed more of that in Iraq. We manage to kill more Americans every year by refusing to wear helmets when we ride motorcycles. You could probably make a compelling case that corn syrup is more deadly to Americans than all the terrorists who ever lived.

Nope, where al-Qaeda really scored was in their ability to get us to hand over freedoms for an illusion of safety. The NSA reading your email and listening in on your phone, idiots mistaking a dropped t-shirt at the Mexican border for the prayer rug of invading Muslims, TSA workers who know you more intimately than your spouse. Those are bin Laden's victories.

That giant armored car in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri, and the 7,000+ machine guns local police now have on hand to point at American citizens? That's al-Qaeda's big win. That's the win we gave bin Laden. Because we were scared.

We demonstrated that we were a nation willing to do anything to preserve freedom. Even take away freedom.

So … ISIS. No. No matter how many speeches someone in ISIS' deliberately foggy chain of command gives about running the New World Caliphate out of a nice brownstone on the Hudson, they are not going to load their creaky arsenal into empty oil tankers and sail for our shores. They are not a threat. The things they are saying, the things they are doing—including the awful, brutal, terrible death of James Foley—are intended to sustain their people who are in the midst of a considerable fight, in which they are by no means assured of victory. Those words are also meant to make us think twice about getting in, while not riling us so badly that we shake off our entirely justifiable war-weariness and do a repeat of the last cycle.

But what if some of the people in ISIS don't really care about that? What if they are insane? Maybe they are. Probably some are. Though likely not the leadership, because insane people tend to not be so good at the logistics needed to march an army halfway across two countries. But even if they are all high-functioning nut jobs, so what? Louie Gohmert is demonstrably insane, but that doesn't mean I have to have my own armored car. They won't do anything, because they can't.

Let me say it again: Danger ISIS represents to the power, democracy, and freedom of the United States = 1 peanut. A moldy peanut. One with a nut missing. Danger from the United States reaction to ISIS provocations and the renewed drum-beat on the right = Barnum & Bailey's full set of elephants.

That's not to say that some bloodthirsty bozo isn't right now cobbling up a scheme to kill XXX number of Americans by XXXXX a XXXXX into a XXXX. I'm a writer. I get paid (or at least, I did once upon a time) to think up scary things. Believe me, I can think of two or three doozies when it comes to things that you could pull off with all-too-common materials. How likely is it that a genuine ISIS cell is hiding in the United States lining up, let's say, zeppelins of death right now? Very, very, very unlikely. So unlikely that even planning for it would prove we're the ones who are insane. Funding for systems to destroy incoming asteroids should come way before that (though probably ISIS does finish ahead of funding for systems to tackle incoming dinosaurs who slip through a time portal. By a nose.).

Oh, and please [your name here] in [some place], Iowa, don't delude yourself that the local Tassel Festival is the perfect place to attack because no one is guarding it. First, no one is guarding it because no one cares about it, including terrorists, and second, your local police force probably already has more armor on hand than the Germans used to overrun Belgium. Do not line up to panic just because Hagel and McCain and half the United States Senate feels that KBR and Lockheed-Martin are overdue for a really good pay day.

Just calm down. Find a coffee shop. Eat a scone (cinnamon, try the cinnamon), and in the timeless words of Douglas Adams, Don't Panic. Trust me. Your country really needs you in this time of peril. It needs you to refuse ISIS a victory, by refusing to play this game. Again.
Source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/24/1323764/-Stop-freaking-out-about-ISIS

Granted it's more of an opinion piece, but I pretty much agree with the guy.

As a side-note, this.

In the last five years, the odds of an American being killed in a terrorist attack have been about 1 in 20 million (that's including both domestic attacks and overseas attacks). As the chart above from the Economist shows, that's considerably smaller than the risk of dying from many other things, from post-surgery complications to ordinary gun violence to lightning.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/11/nine-facts-about-terrorism-in-the-united-states-since-911/
 
Well... maybe.... but,

no.


Islamic State using creative ways to internationally attract recruits
August 27, 2014

The group is extremely savvy at using social media to send powerful messages that appeal to men mostly in their twenties


http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/live-news/2014/8/syrian-rebels-usingcreativewaystoattractrecuitsallovertheworld.html
 
And who ever believes your nonsense that they are a threat are just scared brainwashed sheep that believes in garbage...


Smooth said:
I didn't get past the 2nd paragraph because everything I'd read to that point came off as total bullshit. Anyone who actually believes ISIS is not a threat is probably a member of ISIS, with the sole intent of spouting lies like this to give Americans a false sense of security. Don't buy into this garbage; that's precisely what the enemy wants.

I don't give a crap who says what: ISIS most certainly IS a threat to America and her citizens. Anyone who says different is just lying to themselves.
 
Anonymoose said:
ISIS is indeed a threat. 'nuff said

Mexico is more of a threat to the united states as more and more gang members and dangerous people are coming in the country each and everyday...
 
You're the one that has issues smooth by attacking people that believe isis ain't a threat to America, which I believe isis isn't...

If you don't want people to defend themselves then stop attacking people in the first place...

And you call yourself a adult...
 
+Justice said:
You're the one that has issues smooth by attacking people that believe isis ain't a threat to America, which I believe isis isn't...

If you don't want people to defend themselves then stop attacking people in the first place...

And you call yourself a adult...

How about debating the topic at hand instead. Debating the points Smooth made in her post instead going after her as a person. We all know y'all don't like each other. :Rolleyes:
 
Or tell smooth to stop attacking people?

I have no issues with her until she starts attacking members for their beliefs and views/opinions...
 
+Justice said:
Or tell smooth to stop attacking people?

I have no issues with her until she starts attacking members for their beliefs and views/opinions...

Which member did she attack specifically?
 
I just gave her what she dished out...

Calling people that believes isis ain't a threat is probably a member of isis... that's offensive... she didn't have to specifically point out anyone as she called everyone in the same group...

She likes to spew her own bullshit yet when she gets challenged she starts personally attacking and making up stuff towards the person when in actuality, she's the one that has the issues...
 
Proposition:

+Justice - Calm down.

Smooth - Calm down.

'Kay! Now that that's established. Is arguing on a forum about being "attacked" with words from a person you've never even met in person--and probably never will--really all that important to go as far as metaphorically biting one another's heads off? Do you feel like speaking your mind about a personal attack in a thread that isn't even related to that going to accomplish something? Let's not be children here. This isn't the 8th grade. We're not at our lunch table in our little group of friends having an argument about who's being SO OVERBEARING with their views and opinions.

It's just that -- subjective views and opinions based on the experiences of people from different walks of life. We are not always going to agree on everything someone says, and that goes for online and in person. Growing up is about acknowledging that and determining whether it is beneficial to argue about it or not. Get over yourselves and talk about the subject at hand. If you can't, then take it to a moderator or a personal message. Guaranteed none of the other members want to have to sift through a vendetta between two members at each others throats.

As for the subject, I believe ISIS is a threat to an extent. No, I don't believe they are as much of a threat to us on our homeland. I believe they're more of an international threat, but you never know, especially considering what happened nearly 13 years ago in NYC/Pennsylvania/Virginia. I think ISIS is a group we need to keep our eyes out for, but I'm not so sure what should be done about their existence at this point.
 
+Justice said:
I just gave her what she dished out...

Calling people that believes isis ain't a threat is probably a member of isis... that's offensive... she didn't have to specifically point out anyone as she called everyone in the same group...

She likes to spew her own bullshit yet when she gets challenged she starts personally attacking and making up stuff towards the person when in actuality, she's the one that has the issues...

Seems to me like she was just making a general statement to get her point across. Anyone who takes offence personally is just looking for a battle.
Let's get back to the topic at hand now. ^^
 
What point? There's no proof that isis is a threat to America... there's real threats coming in from the south and from within the media/government than a group of thugs that's fighting for their land that they lost in the past... yet people are fast to call everything terrorism just because they're scared... that's the main reason why Americans lost so much freedom, by being brainwashed into believing nonsense and garbage...
 
@Dee, ty... but I am calm...

I just gave her the same thing she gave out...

But the difference is she replied back in a way by attacking my character, saying that I have a superiority complex issue... that's laughable...
 
+Justice said:
@Dee, ty... but I am calm...

I just gave her the same thing she gave out...

But the difference is she replied back in a way by attacking my character, saying that I have a superiority complex issue... that's laughable...

Then laugh it off and move on if that's the case. I spoke my opinion and I've nothing more to say on the matter.

As for not having any proof that ISIS is a threat, I partly agree but I partly don't. They were directly responsible for killing a citizen of our nation, on video, and the death of that journalist is not the only one. A threat is not necessarily what they have done, but rather what they are capable of doing. I'm quite sure the American people didn't think that Al Queda was capable of pulling a terrorist stunt like they did on 9/11, but it happened and the nation was shocked by it.

ISIS, however, has not managed to pull off a terrorist threat on US soil, but that doesn't mean that they don't want our demise and that they won't try to pull a stunt here in the US. It's been proven that groups and countries against us have the capability to do something. And if we keep underestimating these people, then we will be caught in surprise.
 
That's what happens when Americans are in a war, they get killed if they get caught... they are doing the same with non-americans as well... so making that into something that it's not is a joke... about 9/11, it's only a matter of opinion if you think those darn terrorists had everything or even anything to do with it...

Some people still believe the lie that iraq did the attacks...
 
+Justice said:
That's what happens when Americans are in a war, they get killed if they get caught... they are doing the same with non-americans as well... so making that into something that it's not is a joke... about 9/11, it's only a matter of opinion if you think those darn terrorists had everything or even anything to do with it...

Some people still believe the lie that iraq did the attacks...

I believe anyone making a threat to the country is just that: a threat. But what I'm saying is that there are different levels of threat. When I mention the word, I mean a few different things:

1) What is that person/group/country threatening to do?

2) Are they even capable of carrying out attacks against the person/place/country they're threatening?

3) What do we need to do in order to make sure the threat stays merely a threat or becomes neutralized--if anything?

It's not about what they haven't done, but rather determining whether these things that are being said and done have a direct correlation or high probability of occurring on American (or allied) ground. Threats can be as small as a hostage situation or as big as a nuclear warhead being detonated--or worse: chemical or biological warfare, EMP attacks, etc. It doesn't have to just be about explosions.
 
Maybe a reason why America is so hated is due to the unprovoked attacks and killings of their people, families and communities? And how America loves to get in the middle of everything and choose sides when America just needs to worry about threats at home and our own country's issues...
 
+Justice said:
Maybe a reason why America is so hated is due to the unprovoked attacks and killings of their people, families and communities? And how America loves to get in the middle of everything and choose sides when America just needs to worry about threats at home and our own country's issues...

American government*

Yes, I agree that we need to mind our own business in a lot of cases, but I feel it's important to make the distinction that it's not the American people making the decision to invade countries, drop bombs, steal resources, spy on and generally take the upper hand when it may benefit the higher ups. We may think we're voting these people into office, but we're not. Locally, sure, but not on a national level, and the American people have little to no authority to stop it.
 
That's the truth but the ones that are getting killed elsewhere only see America as a whole, not that the government and the elite are playing chess...

Also, please be cautious that most might call you a nut bag conspirator talking the truth like that when most Americans are brainwashed and programed to feel and think a certain way...
 
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