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Suicide
- Thread starter Jazzy
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Prevent it.
Yes.
Not for them, but for the rest of us. If someone jumps off a building, someone else is going to have to clean that up. If someone jumps in front of a train (quite common around here), all traffic is delayed around that track, the driver may end up traumatised and, again, someone has to clean it up.
Committing suicide in these ways is rude. Give them a good alternative.
Not for them, but for the rest of us. If someone jumps off a building, someone else is going to have to clean that up. If someone jumps in front of a train (quite common around here), all traffic is delayed around that track, the driver may end up traumatised and, again, someone has to clean it up.
Committing suicide in these ways is rude. Give them a good alternative.
Maybe give 'em the death penalty for it.DrLeftover said:
The last human right there is, is the right to take yourself out of the general equation at your own discretion.
And there is no governmental body that can prevent those who are serious about it from exercising said privilege.
And there is no governmental body that can prevent those who are serious about it from exercising said privilege.
Morality aside, it should be a legal right. As there is a right to life, there should be a right to die: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Right_to_die
This is venturing into topics of euthanasia, but not every situation is black and white. In very extreme circumstances (where death is foreseeable and imminent), I believe a person has the right to terminate their life in a more humane way. The conflict of interest comes only for people like doctors or loved ones who try to prolong the individuals life.
In hindsight, there are many questions raised as to what could have been done to prevent the person from taking their life. While in some cases there is due blame to pass around, inevitably the responsibility rests squarely in the hands of the individual.
This is venturing into topics of euthanasia, but not every situation is black and white. In very extreme circumstances (where death is foreseeable and imminent), I believe a person has the right to terminate their life in a more humane way. The conflict of interest comes only for people like doctors or loved ones who try to prolong the individuals life.
In hindsight, there are many questions raised as to what could have been done to prevent the person from taking their life. While in some cases there is due blame to pass around, inevitably the responsibility rests squarely in the hands of the individual.
Of course it should, but it doesn't matter. It is a human right and nobody can really change that. The only exception is for disabled people who can't physically kill themselves, and it's disgusting that such people are forced to stay alive against their own will.
I believe that suicide should be legal. If nothing goes your way or if you can't prove to live your life the way you want to, then suicide should be the option. If you live around family members, they'll say something like, Don't kill yourself. If they think it's wrong, so be it.
JetWing34 said:
from what i've been led to believe about the transmigration of the human spirit from body to body, this is probably the worst reason to commit suicide. remember that jesus said blessed are those who suffer for righteousness' sake. this plane is supposed to be a learning experience where we refine our characters. if things aren't going the way they you like, that's all the more reason to bear down and try to manifest the reality of your dreams. if you cop out and kill yourself, you'll find yourself in a new life with worse problems than the last.
i'm very much in favor of legalized assisted suicide for people whose physical bodies are failing slowly at great emotional and monetary cost to the patient and family. . certain sorts of oxygen wasters make me think that retroactive abortions would be a could thing too.
TommyTooter said:
I feel it important to highlight a fine line in this case. Ultimately, I would emphasize individual choice and a bearing of responsibility without the external influence.
At risk of falling into the 'slippery-slope' fallacy, I think the future ramifications would be pretty unsettling and I see such a system getting abused or misused. You referenced one of the complications which I fear in your use of the term oxygen wasters. It becomes too easy to dehumanize individuals and begrudge their right to life if we see them as nothing more than an emotional and financial burden.
Fatal Dawn said:
there is usually pretty strong support for allowing terminally ill people to elect to die swiftly and painlessly. i don't know what the polls say these days, but it wouldn't surprise me if more than half support the idea.
it's when the discussion turns to the able bodied wanting to kill themselves. that's when the religious fanatics get all up in arms, and quite hypocritically so, when they support the death penalty and the wholesale murder of warfare. it's okay for the state to kill you but it's illegal to kill yourself. what's wrong with that picture/
TommyTooter said:
I was addressing the prospect of people getting euthanized because they are a financial or emotional burden on the family.
It's a dilemma of free-will. There are indeed cases of individuals who are not terminal, but far from able-bodied and can be pushed to commit suicide by outside factors. I use the term pushed very loosely; but it is very possible for individuals to be influenced, more or less, in a manner akin to peer pressure or milieu control. Simply referring to these individuals in dehumanizing labels such as oxygen-wasters can present serious implications. If you remember the story of the Cipher in the Snow - outside perception shapes inner perception.
I do not contend with individual choice (although, even in that, I feel there could be some gray area), but with all that outside noise, it is hard to determine if the choice was truly made by the individual, so to speak.
you're misapprehending the sort of person i'm referring to as an oxygen waster. in my world, an oxygen waster is a criminal, not a cripple. i am not at all referring to people with disabilities as oxygen wasters.
in the accounts i read, it's far more common for the family to refuse to let somebody go than the other way around. if there ever were legalized suicide, there would need to be safeguards against the sort of scenario that's worrying you. it needs to be the person's own decision or we'll end up with a soylent green sort of situation in our society.
in the accounts i read, it's far more common for the family to refuse to let somebody go than the other way around. if there ever were legalized suicide, there would need to be safeguards against the sort of scenario that's worrying you. it needs to be the person's own decision or we'll end up with a soylent green sort of situation in our society.
TommyTooter said:
Thank you for elaborating. That's reassuring to know.
I don't think it should be legal; as they say, Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I think people should try to block negativity in their lives, if they can. As they say, it does get better, you just have to hold on for the bumpy ride.
And now.... let's hear from the French:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...for-asking-pupils-to-write-suicide-notes.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...for-asking-pupils-to-write-suicide-notes.html
