The recent contraception coverage "controversy"

[Temerit]

Obama's new mandate on religiously affiliated employers to require them to cover contraception for female employee's.



Unwarranted attack on religion or a step forward for women's health and workers rights?



I personally am almost ashamed to call myself an American to see that this is even given a second thought. Especially after the concessions made by the administration in attempt to accomodate all parties.

 

[nocturnal]

Religion is outdated and has no place in today's society. There's no need to even be considerate to the religious parties. Human rights > pleasing cults.

 

[Fatal Dawn]

I don't agree with Obama's decision. Essentially what it is saying is that if a woman wants abortion drugs, the church would be required to fund them. Abortion drugs being something that a lot of religions don't agree with. Why should they fund something that they don't agree with just to satisfy Obama's flawed health care system.

Religion is outdated and has no place in today's society. There's no need to even be considerate to the religious parties. Human rights > pleasing cults.

That's if we lived in a communist society not a democratic one. People live their lives according to their religion, no one has any right to interfere. And just because you don't agree with some people's religious views doesn't make them a cult. :/

 

[DrLeftover]

Comrad, please.



Having even more personal decisions by both businesses and individuals mandated by government is a good thing.



Our brothers in Washington know what is best for us.

 

[nocturnal]

Wow. Is this a joke? I guess you think 85% of the population is insane for believing in God too, huh?

You have an incredibly narrow-minded view on so many things!

Nopes, definitely not a joke. I don't have to live my life according to a book that's written thousands of years ago and fear punishment from a deity. I also can't fathom believing in a teaching that denies scientific evidence, as well as having have to be in the same group of people that selectively pick verses and call themselves religious, whilst calling other verses in the same holy book as outdated, e.g. 1 Timothy 2:12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. So are women not allowed to be teachers in schools? What about my very own mother who taught me from right/wrong? Was she to be quiet as well? Fuck that shit.



If you believe God made everything, then that means God made me this way. Are you going to question his creation?

 

[nocturnal]

And it's my free will to be narrow minded and hold my own opinion.

 

[Temerit]

Essentially what it is saying is that if a woman wants abortion drugs, the church would be required to fund them. Abortion drugs being something that a lot of religions don't agree with. Why should they fund something that they don't agree with just to satisfy Obama's flawed health care system.

So you are equating the Plan B pill with abortion? That's a very radical view and something I would never align myself with.



And why should they fund it? Well under his compromise, they aren't, the insurance companies, not the religiously affiliated organizations would be the ones who would have to offer contraception.



And why should they have to pay for it? Probably because 62% of the Catholic Church's outreach budget comes from federal tax dollars and because the vast majority of employees at these affiliated institutions are not Catholic.



Besides, 99% of Catholic women use birth control anyway.

It is no one's business but the woman involved. PERIOD.

All he is doing is forcing health insurance companies to make contraception available to women who want it.



This I believe is a great thing considering many women have trouble affording birth control, and this would likely reduce unwanted pregnancies, unnecessary abortions etc. I also think women should simply have access to contraception if they want it. Any reasonable health insurance policy in the 21st century should include it.

 

[Fatal Dawn]

So you are equating the Plan B pill with abortion? That's a very radical view and something I would never align myself with.

Not that radical if you think about it. Just like that whole debate of forced contraceptive methods in high school would encourage more promiscuous behavior. Give an inch and take a mile.

And why should they fund it? Well under his compromise, they aren't, the insurance companies, not the religiously affiliated organizations would be the ones who would have to offer contraception.

See here is your problem. You have already stereotyped the quote religious party. Not every person is aligned Catholic, but birth control is still something that doesn't agree with their views. Birth control, like many other heated topics is treacherous ground for even people who are moderately religious.

And why should they have to pay for it? Probably because 62% of the Catholic Church's outreach budget comes from federal tax dollars and because the vast majority of employees at these affiliated institutions are not Catholic.

Besides, 99% of Catholic women use birth control anyway.

The church is not the institution but the people. Just because the church makes the decision doesn't mean the people support that decision. And where does the other 28% come from? The congregation. A church can never survive without the congregation. People go to church with the stipulation that they also have a voice in what choices the church makes and that the church will make decisions that reflect their values.



99% percent? Firstly I believe you got that straight from Obama's words: “Nearly 99 percent of all women have relied on contraception at some point in their lives.”

I never agree with anything that's 99% because it is such a drastic stretch of the truth. You hardly get 99% in mathematics. It is like someone telling you that “nearly 99 percent of all car drivers have exceeded the speed limit at some point in their lives.”

Read this. http://www.lifenews....n-post-notices/

All he is doing is forcing health insurance companies to make contraception available to women who want it.



This I believe is a great thing considering many women have trouble affording birth control, and this would likely reduce unwanted pregnancies, unnecessary abortions etc. I also think women should simply have access to contraception if they want it. Any reasonable health insurance policy in the 21st century should include it.

Call me crazy but I have never actually seen someone choose to have an abortion. I've had many friends who were single, (somewhat) poor, and had an unplanned pregnancy and they never once considered abortion an option. I would bet that even though my friends could afford birth control, none of them would have used it. Education is the best prevention, abortions are never necessary. But don't tell me that trying to produce an end-all method such as birth control and force it through a federal level is the solution. The point is that Obama's health care plan is too invasive and a gross misuse of power.

 

[Temerit]

But don't tell me that trying to produce an end-all method such as birth control and force it through a federal level is the solution. The point is that Obama's health care plan is too invasive and a gross misuse of power.

Forcing access and forcing use are two drastically different things.

Birth control, like many other heated topics is treacherous ground for even people who are moderately religious.

Birth control is a heated topic? What? Are you serious dude? This is the 21st century, the Catholic church doesn't control the Western World anymore bud.

People go to church with the stipulation that they also have a voice in what choices the church makes and that the church will make decisions that reflect their values.

That doesn't mean that an organization that receives large amount of federal funding and pays no taxes gets to shirk its obligation and responsibility to provide for the health of it's non-Catholic employees. This is a requirement that already extends to many other employers.

 

[Temerit]

This is a good video to watch for some information.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw36DbFBemc&feature=g-all-u&context=G25a531fFAAAAAAAAAAA



Organizations exempted from the new mandate include:



1) Those whose primary purpose is the inculcation of religious values

2) Those who primarily employ those who share the religious tenets of the organization

3) Those who primarily serve those who share the religious tenets of the organization

4) Those organizations which are non-profit

 

[Temerit]

Fires, so you're in favor of equal access and choice over contraception and not being denied access to it due to an employer's religious beliefs?

 

[Fatal Dawn]

Don't treat every religious person like they are aligned with the Catholic church. You have individuals that have distanced themselves from the religious institutions but have negative views on birth control. You expect individuals to keep their values locked up or hide the fact that they have a belief that doesn't agree? Then simply why should you expect individuals to be on board with this?

 

[Temerit]

Because birth control and family planning services would save tremendous amounts of health dollars in a health system that is increasing dramatically in cost each year and having control of reproduction results in healthier societies.



If you oppose birth control on moral grounds, then don't use it.



It is not unreasonable to expect insurers to cover it despite who the employer is.

 

[DrLeftover]

If you oppose birth control on moral grounds, then don't use it.

Damn, my friend, we agree on something.



Except I would extend that to the majority of life as well.