Virgin Atlantic Boeing 787 performed the first ever transatlantic flight fueled by cooking oil

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Virgin Atlantic Boeing 787 performed the first ever transatlantic flight fueled by cooking oil
Nov. 29, 2023

The first transatlantic flight by an airliner using pure sustainable aviation fuel (Saf) took off from Heathrow on Tuesday morning.

Virgin founder Sir Richard Branson, Transport Secretary Mark Harper and Virgin Atlantic chief executive Shai Weiss were among the passengers on the flight, which is not carrying fare-paying travellers.

SAF stands for sustainable aviation fuel. It’s produced from sustainable feedstocks and is very similar in its chemistry to traditional fossil jet fuel. Using SAF results in a reduction in carbon emissions compared to the traditional jet fuel it replaces over the lifecycle of the fuel.
Some typical feedstocks used are cooking oil and other non-palm waste oils from animals or plants; solid waste from homes and businesses, such as packaging, paper, textiles, and food scraps that would otherwise go to landfill or incineration. Other potential sources include forestry waste, such as waste wood, and energy crops, including fast growing plants and algae. Air bp’s SAF is currently made from used cooking oil and animal waste fat.

Holly Boyd-Boland, vice president of corporate development at Virgin Atlantic, told Sky News: “This isn’t a zero-emission flight, but it absolutely is demonstrating that we have huge levers out there and huge opportunities to materially bring down the carbon footprint of flight today.”

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[MrDawn]

Maybe we can do this with fuel cars too instead of replacing everything with crappy ass electric cars.

 

[DrLeftover]

So now instead of just Willie Nelson's tour bus smelling like French Fries..... we have aircraft.

Yippie

 

[riseabovethis]

Maybe we can do this with fuel cars too instead of replacing everything with crappy ass electric cars.

Oh Be Nice. If it wasn't for electric cars no one would be allowed to spend $5000 on a new battery

 

[DrLeftover]

Oh Be Nice. If it wasn't for electric cars no one would be allowed to spend $5000 on a new battery

But you have to remember this.

The majority of the parts inside the current stock of batteries in cars CAN NOT BE recycled, or would cost more to do so than they are worth.

MIT - Climate Portal
September 5, 2023

... An EV battery contains much more than just nickel and cobalt, however. It is an amalgamation of plastics, copper, aluminum, and other materials, some of which won’t be recovered completely because they aren’t valuable enough to be worth the trouble. The materials that are not recycled must be sent to a landfill or, if they are too hazardous, safely stored.


To be recycled, EV batteries must first be dismantled, which is no simple task because batteries are not standardized. The packs from a Tesla, BMW, and Nissan EV are different sizes, containing differently-shaped battery cells joined together by welds and other connections that must be broken down. This complexity makes the process more expensive and dangerous.


“The significant challenge in battery recycling is the variability in chemistry and form factor, and that we have to be cautious to discharge them when they are recovered,” Olivetti says. That’s especially important because old or broken lithium-ion batteries can catch fire, which adds to the danger of stockpiling them for disposal.

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MORE:

How well can electric vehicle batteries be recycled?

Many battery materials are valuable enough to repay the intensive work of recycling them—although we should still expect lots of demand for newly-mined nickel, cobalt, lithium and copper.

climate.mit.edu

Also see:

Everything You Need to Know about Electric-Car Battery Recycling

This is what happens when your electric car's battery pack reaches the end of its life.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[riseabovethis]

But you have to remember this.

The majority of the parts inside the current stock of batteries in cars CAN NOT BE recycled, or would cost more to do so than they are worth.



MORE:

How well can electric vehicle batteries be recycled?

Many battery materials are valuable enough to repay the intensive work of recycling them—although we should still expect lots of demand for newly-mined nickel, cobalt, lithium and copper.

climate.mit.edu

Also see:

Everything You Need to Know about Electric-Car Battery Recycling

This is what happens when your electric car's battery pack reaches the end of its life.

www.caranddriver.com

So true. Blades on Wind Turbines are also difficult to recycle. I'm not going to look for link. I saw a story about a guy in Ontario, Canada who bought a used tesla. The battery went and it cost $5000. Turned out to be more than he paid for the car.

Of course everyone in the world is looking for Lithium deposits.

 

[PGen98]

Nice to see them using alternative fuels, keep it going.

 

[riseabovethis]

Nice to see them using alternative fuels, keep it going.

Yes, however they are eliminating fossils fuels and they don't have the technology to fill in the gap. Look for stories about people having trouble charging there cars.

 

[PGen98]

Yes, however they are eliminating fossils fuels and they don't have the technology to fill in the gap. Look for stories about people having trouble charging there cars.

Electric cars are a temporary stopgap measure.

 

[riseabovethis]

Electric cars are a temporary stopgap measure.

Yes but a stopgap to what. Right now it's electric or gas. My employer, a railway, has brought into service some Hydrogen Engines which are doing quite well

 

[PGen98]

Yes but a stopgap to what. Right now it's electric or gas. My employer, a railway, has brought into service some Hydrogen Engines which are doing quite well

I do think hydrogen is the way forward for most forms of transport. I know there are companies looking at building hydrogen trucks, and we've seen headway made on hydrogen cars. Hopefully we'll see a point where they're readily available at some point soon.

 

[~ True Legend ~]

I do think hydrogen is the way forward for most forms of transport. I know there are companies looking at building hydrogen trucks, and we've seen headway made on hydrogen cars. Hopefully we'll see a point where they're readily available at some point soon.

Hydrogen vs electric
What would you say to be more envrionmentally friendly?

 

[Webster]

The majority of the parts inside the current stock of batteries in cars CAN NOT BE recycled, or would cost more to do so than they are worth.

Give it a couple years; technology generally tends to march on.

 

[PGen98]

Hydrogen vs electric
What would you say to be more envrionmentally friendly?

Once the electric ones start serving as lawn ornaments, the answer will be obvious.

 

[riseabovethis]

Hydrogen vs electric
What would you say to be more envrionmentally friendly?

Hydrogen. If you eliminated all power plants at once most of the world would be in the dark