What Lies Ahead In A Post-Roe World?

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Will the supreme court’s conservative justices stop with Roe v Wade? As Joan E Greve reports, today’s decision in the Dobbs case contains signs that the Republican-appointed majority would like to go after other rights the court has established, such as same-sex marriage and access to contraception: Many Americans reacted to the supreme court’s decision to reverse Roe v Wade and remove federal abortion rights in the US with shock, but many also asked a terrified question: what might be next?

The conservative justice Clarence Thomas appeared to offer a preview of the court’s potential future rulings, suggesting the rightwing-controlled court may return to the issues of contraception access and marriage equality, threatening LGBTQ rights. “In future cases, we should reconsider all of this court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,” Thomas wrote in his concurring opinion to the ruling on Roe.

Contraception, gay marriage: Clarence Thomas signals new targets for supreme court

Rightwing justice appears to offer preview of the court’s potential future rulings after decision to remove US abortion rights

www.theguardian.com

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Contraceptive access 😂 why is it everyone’s else’s responsibility in the leftist world when you make a bad life decision??!!!

Out of curiosity I looked up what condoms cost these days. And I have to say if you can’t afford 43 cents a condom you should not be having sex to risk a unwanted pregnancy.

Quote:

SKYN Elite – 36 Count – Ultra-Thin, Lubricated Latex-Free Condoms​

4.6 out of 5 stars 28,579
-19%$15.38$15.38($0.43/Count)

 

[Prometheus]

Contraceptive access 😂 why is it everyone’s else’s responsibility in the leftist world when you make a bad life decision??!!!

Because it's not their responsibility. Or so they claim. I'm with you. No one made you decide to partake in intercourse, why should I be responsible to pay for your access to abortion or contraceptives?

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) It’s the question anguished reproductive care providers in California are grappling with after the US supreme court voted to overturn the federal right to abortion.

With more than half of US states set to outlaw abortion, California has pledged to become a “sanctuary” for people seeking reproductive care. The state has putforward a package of legislation to expand access for residents and support people seeking abortions from out of state. The state’s governor on Friday signed a bill protecting patients and abortion providers in California from civil liability.

Researchers estimate that California could see a nearly 3,000% increase in the number of people whose nearest legal abortion provider is in the state. California’s annual patient load could rise from from 46,000 people to 1.4 million, according to a Guttmacher Institute report.

Providers in the state have been preparing for the moment for months.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

(The Guardian) It’s the question anguished reproductive care providers in California are grappling with after the US supreme court voted to overturn the federal right to abortion.

With more than half of US states set to outlaw abortion, California has pledged to become a “sanctuary” for people seeking reproductive care. The state has putforward a package of legislation to expand access for residents and support people seeking abortions from out of state. The state’s governor on Friday signed a bill protecting patients and abortion providers in California from civil liability.

Researchers estimate that California could see a nearly 3,000% increase in the number of people whose nearest legal abortion provider is in the state. California’s annual patient load could rise from from 46,000 people to 1.4 million, according to a Guttmacher Institute report.

Providers in the state have been preparing for the moment for months.

Reproductive care????

Maybe they help couples get pregnant?

Maybe they help men with issues in the bed?

Maybe they help with the birth of children?


No! They kill and butcher children and California is going to be the Nazis version of gas chambers.

 

[Prometheus]

Reproductive care????

Maybe they help couples get pregnant?

Maybe they help men with issues in the bed?

Maybe they help with the birth of children?


No! They kill and butcher children and California is going to be the Nazis version of gas chambers.

It's terrifying how much people seem to be for the death of innocent children simply because they don't want to take responsibility for their own choices.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Members of the youth voter group NextGen America gathered outside the US supreme court today to protest against the decision to overturn Roe v Wade, which ended nearly 50 years of federal protections for abortion access in the US.

The group laid flowers in front of the court and wore black to mourn those who are expected to lose their lives because of the end of Roe.


Health experts have said they expect maternal mortality to rise in the wake of the Roe reversal, as abortion will probably soon be outlawed in 26 states.

The NextGen protesters carried signs criticizing the supreme court’s decision. One of them read, “Pro-life is a lie. They don’t care if people die.” After laying the flowers, one of the protesters cried as a trumpet player played solemn music outside the court.

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Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez, the president of NextGen America, traveled from Texas to participate in the group’s abortion rights protest outside the supreme court today.

Ramirez noted that her mother once obtained an abortion because her doctor warned of severe health risks if she carried her pregnancy to term.

“I am so grateful that she was able to have that because I would have likely grown up without a mother,” Ramirez said.

Gesturing toward the flowers representing the lives that will be lost because of the Roe reversal, Ramirez added, “Today my mom might be one of these flowers and one of these lives that will be lost in the coming years.”


Ramirez said NextGen members are now organizing in battleground states like Arizona and Michigan to ensure that abortion rights supporters are elected to office in November.

“Young people are pissed off, and they have every right to be, and we’re channeling their anger into power, into action,” Ramirez said. “We need to take every single step necessary, and everything should be on the table to look at how we protect access to abortion and also make sure that the supreme court doesn’t take away the right to gay marriage, that it doesn’t take away our right to contraception. Because this wasn’t the end; this was the opening salvo.”

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

(The Guardian) Members of the youth voter group NextGen America gathered outside the US supreme court today to protest against the decision to overturn Roe v Wade, which ended nearly 50 years of federal protections for abortion access in the US.

The group laid flowers in front of the court and wore black to mourn those who are expected to lose their lives because of the end of Roe.


Health experts have said they expect maternal mortality to rise in the wake of the Roe reversal, as abortion will probably soon be outlawed in 26 states.

The NextGen protesters carried signs criticizing the supreme court’s decision. One of them read, “Pro-life is a lie. They don’t care if people die.” After laying the flowers, one of the protesters cried as a trumpet player played solemn music outside the court.

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Cristina Tzintzún Ramirez, the president of NextGen America, traveled from Texas to participate in the group’s abortion rights protest outside the supreme court today.

Ramirez noted that her mother once obtained an abortion because her doctor warned of severe health risks if she carried her pregnancy to term.

“I am so grateful that she was able to have that because I would have likely grown up without a mother,” Ramirez said.

Gesturing toward the flowers representing the lives that will be lost because of the Roe reversal, Ramirez added, “Today my mom might be one of these flowers and one of these lives that will be lost in the coming years.”


Ramirez said NextGen members are now organizing in battleground states like Arizona and Michigan to ensure that abortion rights supporters are elected to office in November.

“Young people are pissed off, and they have every right to be, and we’re channeling their anger into power, into action,” Ramirez said. “We need to take every single step necessary, and everything should be on the table to look at how we protect access to abortion and also make sure that the supreme court doesn’t take away the right to gay marriage, that it doesn’t take away our right to contraception. Because this wasn’t the end; this was the opening salvo.”

Wow! Just imagine if we had a dozen or so different kind of birth control options that women and men could use and actually take personal responsibility for your actions.

 

[Webster]

Just imagine if we had a dozen or so different kind of birth control options that women and men could use and actually take personal responsibility for your actions.

Well.....

 

[Prometheus]

Why should I have to get a vasectomy? There's no guarantee you'll be with that partner forever unless you're married so giving up any and all chance at having children for one woman who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own decisions is ridiculous. If she doesn't want kids, then she should take responsibility and get a hysterectomy.

 

[Webster]

Why should I have to get a vasectomy? There's no guarantee you'll be with that partner forever unless you're married so giving up any and all chance at having children for one woman who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own decisions is ridiculous. If she doesn't want kids, then she should take responsibility and get a hysterectomy.

I think they're being snarkish there; if you're (referring to government) going to try to control a woman's bodily autonomy, then turnabout (controlling male bodily autonomy) is fair play.

 

[Bluezone777]

Why should I have to get a vasectomy? There's no guarantee you'll be with that partner forever unless you're married so giving up any and all chance at having children for one woman who doesn't want to take responsibility for her own decisions is ridiculous. If she doesn't want kids, then she should take responsibility and get a hysterectomy.

Even if you are married doesn't offer that guarantee either. Putting aside divorce, death can come for anyone at any time without warning leaving you possibly still young facing the dating world once again where you now made yourself incapable of having children in this scenario which will put off a lot of women especialy those who want children and can still have them provided their partner doesn't have a problem.

As for that tweet. so does birth control pills, condoms, morning after pills and abstinence all prevent abortions too so not sure what their point was supposed to be but it isn't holding up to the slightest bit of critical thinking.

 

[SarahKik]

Not sure who needs to hear this but a vasectomy is reversible. A hysterectomy is not as it's the complete removal of a woman's uterus. The fact that anyone is advocating for one in place of the other yet doesn't factor in this MAJOR difference speaks volumes and goes to show that no one should have a say or any control of what happens to a woman's body other than herself.

Not to mention the difference in costs and medical coverage.

Vasectomies are a safe and effective form of birth control. They generally cost between $300 to $3,000 in the U.S., depending on factors like insurance coverage or the kind of facility where it's done. The vasectomy also is cost-effective when compared with other methods, both in terms of expense and overall health.

A hysterectomy typically is covered by health insurance when recommended by a doctor as medically necessary. For patients not covered by health insurance, a hysterectomy typically costs from $10,000-$20,000 or more.

In many cases, hysterectomy—particularly if it's elective—isn't covered by insurance. Some plans may only cover hysterectomy to treat cancer or hemorrhaging (severe and life-threatening bleeding), for example.

In other words, it is STILL far more cost effective and accessible for a man to have this procedure done. What a surprise.

Not to mention! The procedure itself and recovery time.

Most vasectomies can be done in a urologist's office. The procedure itself is quick, taking about 30 minutes or less. Full recovery time is about eight to nine days for many people. Keep in mind this may vary depending on your individual perception of pain and ability for tissue healing.

A hysterectomy is a major operation. You can be in hospital for up to 5 days after surgery, and it takes about 6 to 8 weeks to fully recover. Recovery times can also vary depending on the type of hysterectomy. Rest as much as possible during this time and do not lift anything heavy, such as bags of shopping.

 

[Webster]

In other words, it is STILL far more cost effective and accessible for a man to have this procedure done. What a surprise.

That would require men (and the forced-birth crowd) to acknowledge their role in pregnancies.

By the way, welcome to Off-Topix @SarahKik, feel free to introduce yourself over in the Introductions section when you get the chance.

 

[Webster]

(The Guardian) Michigan’s Democratic governor Gretchen Whitmer has signed an executive order preventing women who travel to Michigan for an abortion from being extradited to other states where seeking the procedure is illegal.

Here’s how she described the order, which also protects abortion providers in the state from extradition: I will stand up for all women, even if their local and statewide leaders refuse to. Michigan must remain a place where a person’s basic rights are preserved. In this existential moment for fundamental rights, it is incumbent on every elected official who believes that health—not politics—should guide medical decisions to take bold action.

Whitmer said the move was in response to attempts by Republican lawmakers to pass laws criminalizing out-of-state travel by women seeking abortions. Her order was similar to one made by Colorado’s Democratic governor Jared Polis, who banned state agencies from cooperating with investigations into abortions by other states.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

That would require men (and the forced-birth crowd) to acknowledge their role in pregnancies.

By the way, welcome to Off-Topix @SarahKik, feel free to introduce yourself over in the Introductions section when you get the chance.

The forced not killing a human being crowd

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

By the way, welcome to Off-Topix @SarahKik

Just popping in to say the same, @SarahKik

 

[Prometheus]

I think they're being snarkish there; if you're (referring to government) going to try to control a woman's bodily autonomy, then turnabout (controlling male bodily autonomy) is fair play.

No, they're definitely not. I'm not trying to control anything. I just want them to admit that they got pregnant by their own choice. And it takes sperm and an egg to lead to a pregnancy which means the man should have a say in whether or not the baby is carried to term since it is also their child.

Even if you are married doesn't offer that guarantee either. Putting aside divorce, death can come for anyone at any time without warning leaving you possibly still young and facing the dating world once again where you now made yourself incapable of having children in this scenario which will put off a lot of women especialy those who want children and can still have them provided their partner doesn't have a problem.

As for that tweet. so does birth control pills, condoms, morning after pills and abstinence all prevent abortions too so not sure what their point was supposed to be but it isn't holding up to the slightest bit of critical thinking.

Exactly. If a woman told me to get a vasectomy to date her in order to have consensual sex to prevent her getting pregnant, I would tell her best of luck in finding someone else because there's the door. I'm not giving up my right to have children because she has made the conscious decision she doesn't want them.

Not sure who needs to hear this but a vasectomy is reversible. A hysterectomy is not as it's the complete removal of a woman's uterus. The fact that anyone is advocating for one in place of the other yet doesn't factor in this MAJOR difference speaks volumes and goes to show that no one should have a say or any control of what happens to a woman's body other than herself.

Not to mention the difference in costs and medical coverage.





In other words, it is STILL far more cost effective and accessible for a man to have this procedure done. What a surprise.

Not to mention! The procedure itself and recovery time.

No one needs to hear it. You just reiterated exactly my point. If the woman decides she doesn't want kids, then she should make the conscious decision to get her tubes tied, etc. She should not force her boyfriend, lover, etc to get a vasectomy because again, she decided she doesn't want to have kids. Why does she then need protection if she doesn't want kids? Why is everyone ignoring the fact that it takes two to make the decision to have intercourse? And no one is restricting access to birth control. I can literally see it everywhere in Walmart, CVS, etc. There are condoms, the morning after pills, and OMG, even an IUD that can be surgically implanted if she doesn't want kids then but might later. Or better yet, keep your legs closed. I don't sleep with everyone I come across because I a.) value my health and protection against unknowns, b.) don't want unplanned pregnancies ruining my current life plans, and c.) want to start a family with someone I love and have a long-term bond with.

No one is making a claim on control over a woman's body. The states now have a say. If you don't like the legislation that is very restrictive, like Mississippi, move. No one has chains on you and no one is preventing you from going somewhere that allows it.

Most of us just think abortion is a horrible crime and murder of an unborn child that should be reserved for extreme circumstances where the mother or child's life are in danger, that's it.

That would require men (and the forced-birth crowd) to acknowledge their role in pregnancies.

So we're admitting that men have a role and can have a say in what happens to the child then?

The forced not killing a human being crowd

Hear hear!

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

I'm trying to control anything. I just want them to admit that they got pregnant by their own choice.

What about rape victims?

 

[Webster]

And it takes sperm and an egg to lead to a pregnancy which means the man should have a say in whether or not the baby is carried to term since it is also their child.

You're right, absolutely right.

That said, if the woman desires or wants to have an abortion, what are you prepared to do to prevent it if she's determined to have one?