What rights should the father have?

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

Why even allow debates, then?

Because other people like to debate? Even I'll jump in to a couple if I am in the mood for it (which isn't very often).

Might as well prohibit them altogether and ban anyone who tries to debate anything.

If you open a forum, you can run your forum that way. Good luck with that

 

[Smiley]

That's not the point. If you allow debates, you can expect sparks to start flying, so why complaining about it when it happens? It adds nothing to the debate. If you don't want sparks to fly, don't let the exposed wires to touch. Simple, really.

 

[KO896]

Okay. So are you just parroting what you heard in Biology 30+ years ago?



and most Pro Lifers care nothing for the child down the road when it becomes transgender, gay, lower class (poor), a convict, or disabled. Those things are not even taken into account.

What about the women facing complicated life threatening pregnancies? To hell with them?



No True Scotsman Fallacy. Doctors are not always wrong when giving a diagnoses. That doesn't make every single doctor out there completely incompetent. If a lawyer fucks up in court and you go to prison or have to pay a hefty fine, does that mean every lawyer is incompetent and unreliable? No. This is no different. Humans make mistakes. No one is perfect at their job.

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

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So? Someone including the State having control over a person's body is slavery. That doesn't make it right.



I disagree. No man should have rights to a woman's body whether it was on purpose or accidental. I'm not talking about abortion. I'm just saying in general; It's wrong to place ownership on a human being pregnant or not. People are not objects.

I think I know you from another forum. Same arguments that aren't the best. The baby is not the mother...the baby lives in the mother until it's time to be born. But the baby is not the mother.

 

[nomad]

I think the decision to give birth or not to give birth should be mutually agreed upon. If there is no agreement, the woman should have the final say because after all, she is the one who has to carry the baby for 9 months and breastfeed the baby for a couple of months.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

and breastfeed the baby for a couple of months.

Well, that part is optional. There is formula.

 

[Duskpire]

Well, that part is optional. There is formula.

There's been shortages and they still haven't caught up with production.

 

[Duskpire]

I think I know you from another forum. Same arguments that aren't the best. The baby is not the mother...the baby lives in the mother until it's time to be born. But the baby is not the mother.

Yes, I know how pregnancy works. No, you may not impose your Christian standards onto me. Those are your beliefs, not mine. I fully support "Her body, Her choice." The 13th Amendment was put in place for a reason. No it's not okay to force rape victims, women with life threatening pregnancies, & women whose birth control failed to have a child. That is by definition enslavement when the government places laws on someone's body. We are not live stock. No, I do not believe it is murder. No, the unborn shouldn't have rights over the living. That is no different then giving "the dead" rights over the living.

 

[Nebulous's iconNebulous]

There's been shortages and they still haven't caught up with production.

I know its been crazy, I heard its easing up though.

 

[KO896]

Yes, I know how pregnancy works. No, you may not impose your Christian standards onto me. Those are your beliefs, not mine. I fully support "Her body, Her choice." The 13th Amendment was put in place for a reason. No it's not okay to force rape victims, women with life threatening pregnancies, & women whose birth control failed to have a child. That is by definition enslavement when the government places laws on someone's body. We are not live stock. No, I do not believe it is murder. No, the unborn shouldn't have rights over the living. That is no different then giving "the dead" rights over the living.

Except it's not the mother's body. The baby is not the mother.

 

[Duskpire]

Except it's not the mother's body. The baby is not the mother.

Not if it cant live on its own without the mother's body or her consent.

 

[passenger]

Not if it cant live on its own without the mother's body or her consent.

How, then, do we explain/understand how: if a man is declared guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he is convicted of two murders?

 

[Duskpire]

How, then, do we explain/understand how: if a man is declared guilty of murdering his pregnant wife he is convicted of two murders.

It depends on the state you're in. There are 30 different States that use that. Meaning it's subjective even among the states on it being murder. Abortion by definition is not murder.

Definition of Abortion:

Definition of Murder:

 

[passenger]

It depends on the state. There 30 different States that use that. Meaning it's subjective even among the states on it being murder. Abortion by definition is not murder. That's just an Ad Populum being spread around by the Anti Choice movement.

I reckon California was the state I had in mind, the Lacy/Scott Peterson case. I have no argument with that verdict, because I consider a human fetus to be a life.

 

[Duskpire]

I have no argument with that verdict, because I consider a human fetus to be a life.

What about this verdict?

Are you okay with women being shipped off to prison over miscarriages?

 

[passenger]

I said I was in favor of the Scott Peterson verdict because he murdered a woman and a baby.
Punishing women for having abortions IMO is usually morally wrong. Legally?????????? Shit! I don't know; it's a whole different subject really. The politics of the whole thing gets so convoluted.