what would you do?

[Kirito]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

At this point there is no solution for peace except for absolute destruction of one side. To many years of fighting. No solution would be good enough for them anyways with the engrained hate of some silly notion that the land does not belong to them. Hell Palestinians are not even real. They are just Syrian refugees from the war Israel never started.

 

[TommyTooter]

moving on could be a real problem if israel didn't want your kind in their territory.

Then I'd leave. Plenty of other places to live in the world.

you nailed one there Nebulous. that's the difference between a loyal zionist jew and a faithful hebrew israelite. true jews reject nationalism. we're waiting on messiah, otherwise we live according to god's law under gentile civil rule. if we don't like our neighbors or they don't like us, we move . we don't get into mortal combat with them over a territorial dispute. it's a big planet.

 

[TommyTooter]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

At this point there is no solution for peace except for absolute destruction of one side. To many years of fighting. No solution would be good enough for them anyways with the engrained hate of some silly notion that the land does not belong to them. Hell Palestinians are not even real. They are just Syrian refugees from the war Israel never started.

if you believe that so strongly and are not actively involved in the combat to achieve that strategic end, you sir, a hypocrite of the greatest magnitude.

 

[TommyTooter]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

they should stop doing things to the people that piss them off so much they don't know what else to do but shoot at them.

 

[TommyTooter]

I would try and get the people to have a uprising to stop the terrorists living among them that's the sole cause for their misery and poor standard of living.

you suck too much mainstream press and have no idea how the palestinian people feel about the 'terrorists' who are by no means their 'sole cause for their misery and poor standard of living" the zionists have turned gaza into the world's largest open air prison. there are bodies laying in the streets in north gaza right now and israel has declined a three hour cease fire to clear the wounded and dead and is intensely shelling as i'm typing this. those people were given the two day warning you claimed, but they have nowhere to go. the only way out is by sea and the israelis have that blockaded.

terrorism is most often defined as military operations against civilian targets.

USA today just reported that at least 425 people are dead and over 3000 wounded, but israel is only claiming 70 combatants KIA. the rest are civilians and there is confirmation that the israelis are using banned DIME munitions and some kind of poison gas. the kill ratio has been badly skewed ever since the haifa massacre in about 1928 and many more civilians than combatants are alway's killed.

that's terrorism. can you even cite how much damage is actually being caused by these rockets or do you only parrot jingoistic junk from right wing media outlets?

this is fact: israel's biggest cost from the 'terrorists raining rockets' on 'civilian targets' is in treating freaked out squatters for anxiety. most of them land in open spaces and cause very little damage when they explode. the cases don't even disintegrate and they can't punch through a roof. israeli ordinance flattens apartment buildings.

What exactly would you have israel do when hamas doesn't respect any cease-fire and doesn't want to negotiate though? You're pointing a lot of fingers at them, and I agree that the situation is tragic, but it's HAMAS shooting at them from high population areas using civilians as meatshields. You know this is also fact. Now try to formulate a response that isn't filled with just finger pointing and hate for israel, we can follow the media and don't need a history lesson.

nope it isn't fact. first and most important is that the civil authority has absolutely no command control over the militants. they are popular with the people and cooperative with the israelis and they are the ones getting blown up with their families in their homes with banned munitions and poison gas. they're dropping WP again. i've seen it in fresh photos.

. the militants are launching from near civilian residences and the orchards. hamas civil authority and the red cross called for a three hour cease fire to clear bodies from the streets yesterday and israel refused.

i say again, you need to go back to about 1917 and look beneath the veneer of history books. you're swallowing lies as truth. this was a posting i made in may :


there has not been a war in my lifetime that was fought to defend America from any real threat, foreign or domestic. Dwight Eisenhower warned us about misplaced power in the hands of overzealous leaders of the military-industrial complex and this is what we've gotten.

General Smedley Butler told us that war is a racket and the very same industrialist-bankers he was denouncing for waging war for profit in the 1930's when he made the speech, are the same entities doing it today.

Joseph Goebbels said, “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" the full quote goes into why dissent needed to be stifled to maintain the lie.

George Orwell said "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind." Orwell wrote an essay of some substance on this topic.

Henry Kissinger said that military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns of foreign policy. this man is tied with poppy bush for the most evil person on the planet today in my estimations.

so here we have this grand lie that inspires people to not only believe it, but to volunteer for military service to go to foreign lands to kill innocent people to defend the lie.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

At this point there is no solution for peace except for absolute destruction of one side. To many years of fighting. No solution would be good enough for them anyways with the engrained hate of some silly notion that the land does not belong to them. Hell Palestinians are not even real. They are just Syrian refugees from the war Israel never started.

if you believe that so strongly and are not actively involved in the combat to achieve that strategic end, you sir, a hypocrite of the greatest magnitude.

I believe Australia should fight for there gun rights back. I believe Britian should dump the world's worst kind of healthcare that murdered my step grandma. I believe the middle east Muslim countries should give equal rights for women. I believe Africa needs to stop being a crap hole and stop allowing murderous dictators to run the countries. I could go on but America has more then it's fair share of problems for me to fight. I support Israels right for complete freedom to protect themselves by any means necessary. If you want to call that being hypocritical be my guest I will sleep just fine.

 

[TommyTooter]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

i think they need to stop doing things to these people that compels some of them to shoot at them in retaliation. they are now annihilating the gazan civilian authority who have absolutely no command authority over the al qassam or any of the other militias, who are popular with the people and cooperative with the israelis using banned munitions such as DIME , WP and an unidentified poisin gas i suspect is sarin.

there have been >500 casualties , >5,000 injuries, >2,000 structures destroyed and thousands more damaged including the electric and water plants, 2 hospitals, several schools that were housing refugees and at least 40 mosques.

the IDF claims to be targeting weapons caches, but they have yet to claim any significant kills as the did during pillar of cloud. i have studied dozens of explosions and have not seen any ammo cooking off in secondaries. of the greater than 500 deaths, israel is only claiming 70 combatants. i'm sorry, but that's a war crime, not collateral damage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J1iZTMaYa4&feature=player_embedded

 

[TommyTooter]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

At this point there is no solution for peace except for absolute destruction of one side. To many years of fighting. No solution would be good enough for them anyways with the engrained hate of some silly notion that the land does not belong to them. Hell Palestinians are not even real. They are just Syrian refugees from the war Israel never started.

if you believe that so strongly and are not actively involved in the combat to achieve that strategic end, you sir, a hypocrite of the greatest magnitude.

I believe Australia should fight for there gun rights back. I believe Britian should dump the world's worst kind of healthcare that murdered my step grandma. I believe the middle east Muslim countries should give equal rights for women. I believe Africa needs to stop being a crap hole and stop allowing murderous dictators to run the countries. I could go on but America has more then it's fair share of problems for me to fight. I support Israels right for complete freedom to protect themselves by any means necessary. If you want to call that being hypocritical be my guest I will sleep just fine.

that's five opinions with nothing to substantiate them, so to hypocritical for advocating deaths you're not willing to help commit, we can add the opinions and assholes analogy if you like.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

i think you do need a history lesson because i very firmly believe, as a faithful hebrew israelite, that the zionist state of israel is the most hideous fraud ever perpetrated by the imperialist banker gangsters and has ZERO legitimacy as either a jewish state or a democracy. please read my opinions on the subject in a thread further down the stack

No I don't. What they have done, their legitimacy, and everything else isn't really relevant to my post. I'm asking what you think Israel should do instead of waging war against people that are shooting at them. As I said I read a lot of opinions on what they do but no alternative solutions.

At this point there is no solution for peace except for absolute destruction of one side. To many years of fighting. No solution would be good enough for them anyways with the engrained hate of some silly notion that the land does not belong to them. Hell Palestinians are not even real. They are just Syrian refugees from the war Israel never started.

if you believe that so strongly and are not actively involved in the combat to achieve that strategic end, you sir, a hypocrite of the greatest magnitude.

I believe Australia should fight for there gun rights back. I believe Britian should dump the world's worst kind of healthcare that murdered my step grandma. I believe the middle east Muslim countries should give equal rights for women. I believe Africa needs to stop being a crap hole and stop allowing murderous dictators to run the countries. I could go on but America has more then it's fair share of problems for me to fight. I support Israels right for complete freedom to protect themselves by any means necessary. If you want to call that being hypocritical be my guest I will sleep just fine.

that's five opinions with nothing to substantiate them, so to hypocritical for advocating deaths you're not willing to help commit, we can add the opinions and assholes analogy if you like.

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[Bluezone777]

It honestly doesn't matter if the rockets don't kill people or do little damage, would you be cool if I felt like bombarding your home with fireworks much less explosives all hours of the day or night if they don't do any damage or hurt you? I don't think you could compare it to attacks elsewhere because in those cases those attacks are for gain and not because they hate the fact you exist. Those people can be reasoned with in some form and at some point because you can offer up a plan to end such conflicts. There demands can't be satisfied nor will they budge so this is the only thing they can do.

This terrorist group Hamas has made it their mission alongside many others in the region to see Israel erased from existence along with the people who live there. If anything, they really don't have to give any warning before responding to such attacks and abuse.

They just don't want to attack Israel as they rather see it destroyed so it's obvious there is no way to reason with such people as the only thing to do is to crush them so they give up. If this is what gets them to give up or at least get the people in that country that's harboring Hamas to kick them out then power to them in all honesty.

 

[TommyTooter]

It honestly doesn't matter if the rockets don't kill people or do little damage, would you be cool if I felt like bombarding your home with fireworks much less explosives all hours of the day or night if they don't do any damage or hurt you? I don't think you could compare it to attacks elsewhere because in those cases those attacks are for gain and not because they hate the fact you exist. Those people can be reasoned with in some form and at some point because you can offer up a plan to end such conflicts. There demands can't be satisfied nor will they budge so this is the only thing they can do.

This terrorist group Hamas has made it their mission alongside many others in the region to see Israel erased from existence along with the people who live there. If anything, they really don't have to give any warning before responding to such attacks and abuse.

They just don't want to attack Israel as they rather see it destroyed so it's obvious there is no way to reason with such people as the only thing to do is to crush them so they give up. If this is what gets them to give up or at least get the people in that country that's harboring Hamas to kick them out then power to them in all honesty.

what people are failing to realize is the militant wing is completely independent of and doesn't obey the civilian authority, who are the ones who were voted in at all and are doing as good a job as they can under the circumstances of siege, are quite popular with the people, cooperate with the israelis and are getting blown up in their homes with their families in the middle of ramadan by banned munitions such as DIME, WP and an as yet unidentified poison gas that looks like sarin to me -- vomiting and coma.

there have been over 500 casualties, 5000 injuries, 2000 structures demolished, at least 10,000 damaged, including all of the utility infrastructure, several schools, 2 hospitals and at least 40 mosques and churches, including the oldest one in that part of the country.

israel is claiming less than 100 combatants killed and no munitions dumps of any significance blown up. this is almost 2 million people getting massacred because an out of control fringe group of freedom fighters is launching rockets at them that don't kill anybody or cause any significant property damage. where is the moral equivalence?

i have dozens of contacts among palestinians in the west bank and gaza. these people yearn for coexistence with palestinian jews and pray for the fascist israelis to be destroyed by god as god promised. this is what real jews have prayed for straight along. zionism is not judaism and real jews would never wage such a war.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

They do not expect anything less then Israel gone from there current homes or all Jews dead. Israel has to understand this but yet they still defend themselves in a softball manner. any other nation would have finished this war long ago.

I guess, I'm just wondering what his vision is on a solution. If it's as unrealistic as that there's really no reason to keep reading these topics.

I think you got your answer on a solution. No peace just get out on some bogus claim they dont belong there or they can all die.

i think you need to learn how to read, dude. your conclusion about my proposal is completely in error and calling my premises a bogus claim with no refutation of my assertions is irrational and bogus.

Your proposal I saw after I wrote what I did leads to the same outcome all Jews dead or gone. The Jewish people could give up 99.99999999999999999999999999 percent of the land that is theres and the number one goal would be to take it and kill them anyways.

 

[TommyTooter]

They do not expect anything less then Israel gone from there current homes or all Jews dead. Israel has to understand this but yet they still defend themselves in a softball manner. any other nation would have finished this war long ago.

I guess, I'm just wondering what his vision is on a solution. If it's as unrealistic as that there's really no reason to keep reading these topics.

I think you got your answer on a solution. No peace just get out on some bogus claim they dont belong there or they can all die.

i think you need to learn how to read, dude. your conclusion about my proposal is completely in error and calling my premises a bogus claim with no refutation of my assertions is irrational and bogus.

Your proposal I saw after I wrote what I did leads to the same outcome all Jews dead or gone. The Jewish people could give up 99.99999999999999999999999999 percent of the land that is theres and the number one goal would be to take it and kill them anyways.

you clearly are illiterate if you are forming that conclusion from what i've proposed.

i am involved with hundreds of activists in an interfaith anti-zionist alliance being led by orthodox bundist jews who seek a reunification of palestine with the jewish state contained within the original borders allocated in the 1947 partition plan.

we seek the 'bi-national' secular democracy the early zionists like weisman fronted by einstein were promoting before the fascist terrorists like jabotinsky, begin and stern came along and set israel on the path it is on today.

right now there is a call out for jews to apply for dual citizenship through the palestinian government, so get your brain out of the MSM feed bag and pay attention to what the people themselves are saying. ZIONISM IS NOT JUDAISM! zionism must be destroyed carefully so that innocent jews are not harmed with it.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

They do not expect anything less then Israel gone from there current homes or all Jews dead. Israel has to understand this but yet they still defend themselves in a softball manner. any other nation would have finished this war long ago.

I guess, I'm just wondering what his vision is on a solution. If it's as unrealistic as that there's really no reason to keep reading these topics.

I think you got your answer on a solution. No peace just get out on some bogus claim they dont belong there or they can all die.

i think you need to learn how to read, dude. your conclusion about my proposal is completely in error and calling my premises a bogus claim with no refutation of my assertions is irrational and bogus.

Your proposal I saw after I wrote what I did leads to the same outcome all Jews dead or gone. The Jewish people could give up 99.99999999999999999999999999 percent of the land that is theres and the number one goal would be to take it and kill them anyways.

you clearly are illiterate if you are forming that conclusion from what i've proposed.

i am involved with hundreds of activists in an interfaith anti-zionist alliance being led by orthodox bundist jews who seek a reunification of palestine with the jewish state contained within the original borders allocated in the 1947 partition plan.

we seek the 'bi-national' secular democracy the early zionists like weisman fronted by einstein were promoting before the fascist terrorists like jabotinsky, begin and stern came along and set israel on the path it is on today.

right now there is a call out for jews to apply for dual citizenship through the palestinian government, so get your brain out of the MSM feed bag and pay attention to what the people themselves are saying. ZIONISM IS NOT JUDAISM! zionism must be destroyed carefully so that innocent jews are not harmed with it.

You can call it whatever you want but the same outcome of every Jew dead is what is wanted. Until the day comes they kick out Hamas and the handful of other terrorists its all a pipe dream for Israel to even give you the slightest consideration.

 

[TommyTooter]

you're way too blind and conditioned to believe that nonsense to expect you to understand that the people of palestine, jew, christian and moslem always got along well before zionism and the islamic jihad that opposes it.

the people themselves want to peacefully coexist. your line of reasoning is false and plays into the hands of the warmongers. again, i wish you the best of luck in eternity. are you christian, atheist or something else?

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

well I could use more conditioner in my hair thats true.
But to say they have all gotten along in that region in these last few thousand years is really something funny to read on just how wrong that statement is.

 

[Rebel]

Nothing. I wouldn't incite a war so I wouldn't be bombed by Israel in the first place

 

[TommyTooter]

well I could use more conditioner in my hair thats true.
But to say they have all gotten along in that region in these last few thousand years is really something funny to read on just how wrong that statement is.

dude, the history books are very clear. the common people in palestine have coexisted for thousands of years. they have overlapping cultures that the european zionists are trying to deny at the expense of the native mizrahi sephardim. it's the leaders of empirical forces who have been responsible for the problems in the land for the past 5000 years.

i don't know where you were educated or if you were educated at all, but your opinion with nothing to back it up is worthless. under the ottomans, the jews had it a hell of a lot better across the whole region than what was going on in europe. this current strife between muslims and jews is strictly the zionist's doing.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

well I could use more conditioner in my hair thats true.
But to say they have all gotten along in that region in these last few thousand years is really something funny to read on just how wrong that statement is.

dude, the history books are very clear. the common people in palestine have coexisted for thousands of years. they have overlapping cultures that the european zionists are trying to deny at the expense of the native mizrahi sephardim. it's the leaders of empirical forces who have been responsible for the problems in the land for the past 5000 years.

i don't know where you were educated or if you were educated at all, but your opinion with nothing to back it up is worthless. under the ottomans, the jews had it a hell of a lot better across the whole region than what was going on in europe. this current strife between muslims and jews is strictly the zionist's doing.

Boy this below sure sounds like peace love and harmony to me. Its almost like the 1960s slogan make peace not war.

In 175 BCE the King of Syria desecrated the temple and implemented a series of laws aiming to wipe out Judaism in favour of Zeus worship. There was a revolt (164 BCE) and the temple was restored.The revolt is celebrated in the Jewish festival of Hannukah.

In 624, Mohammed led a raid for booty and plunder against a Meccan caravan, killing 70 Meccans for mere material gain. Between 630 A.D. and the death of Mohammed in 632 A.D., Muslims -- on at least one occasion led by Mohammed -- had conquered the bulk of western Arabia and southern Palestine through approximately a dozen separate invasions and bloody conquests. These conquests were in large part "Holy wars," putting the lie to another statement in the U.S. News article that proclaimed the Crusades "The First Holy War," as if the Christians had invented the concept of a holy war. After Mohammed's death in 632, the new Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr, launched Islam into almost 1,500 years of continual imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of others through invasion and war, a role Islam continues to this very day.

Christians and Jews could not bear arms -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews could not ride horses -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to get permission to build -- Muslims did not;
Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not;
Christians could not proselytize -- Muslims could;
Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters when they paid their taxes; and
Christians and Jews had to live under the law set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law.

The Muslim imperialist, colonialist, bloody conquest and subjugation of Palestine began with a battle, the August 20, 636, battle of Yarmk (it is believed that 75,000 soldiers took part -- hardly bloodless). With the help of the local Jews who welcomed the Muslims as liberators, the Muslims had subjugated the remainder of Palestine but had not been able to capture Jerusalem. Beginning in July 637, the Muslims began a siege of Jerusalem which lasted for five (hardly bloodless) months before Jerusalem fell in February 638. Arabs did not sack the city, and the Arab soldiers were apparently kept in tight control by their leaders. No destruction was permitted. This was indeed a triumph of civilized control, if imperialism, colonization, and bloody conquest can ever be said to be "civilized." It was at this conquest that many significant hallmarks of Muslim colonialism began. The conquered Christian and Jewish people were made to pay a tribute to the colonialist Muslims. In addition, Baghdad used the imperialist, colonialist, bloody wars of conquest throughout the life of its empire to provide the Caliphate with a steady stream of slaves, many of whom were made eunuchs.

beginning at approximately 725 A.D. The occasion, among other things, was the decline of the central Muslim government, the breaking away from Arabia of far-flung provinces, the growth of warlike revolutionary groups, the growth of extremist Muslim sects, and, perhaps most important, the decision (relatively new) that Muslims had an obligation to convert all Christians and Jews (and "other pagans") to Islam. Thereafter, the true colonial nature of Jerusalem became more apparent. The Abbasids drained wealth from Jerusalem to Baghdad for the benefit of the caliphs, and Jerusalem declined economically.

Jerusalem and its Christian and Jewish majority suffered greatly during alternating periods of peace and war. Among the happenings were repeated Muslim destruction of the countryside of Israel (970-983, and 1024-1077) of Jerusalem; the wholesale destruction by the Muslims of Christian churches -- sometimes at the direct order of the Caliph, as in 1003, and sometimes by Muslim mobs; the total destruction of Jerusalem by the Caliph of Cairo in the early 1020s; building small mosques on the top of Christian churches; enforcing the Muslim laws limiting the height of Christian churches; attacking and robbing Christian pilgrims from Europe; attacking Christian processions in the streets of Jerusalem; etc.

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/IslamHistory0212.aspx

The crazy Zionist nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=416pU5kWlZ4