Why don't we teach gun safety?

[Jazzy]

We teach about sex and drugs in school. Why don't we teach gun safety?

 

[Enter Username Here]

Well , then we are influencing them with guns even earlier on.

Personally for me, if there wasn't a million unregistered guns in the states or Canada, I would force people to hand their gun into the government for destruction.

We shouldn't need to learn of gun safety and especially my children. Guns are evil. Winchester and Colt those people really ruined us with their inventions.

But , partly I agree. Guns are coming more and more popular and frequent these days, so kids should know the safety. But at the same time it could set kids off to want to use guns.

It's bad enough that video games teach them horrible things.

 

[DrLeftover]

Well , then we are influencing them with guns even earlier on.

Personally for me, if there wasn't a million unregistered guns in the states or Canada, I would force people to hand their gun into the government for destruction.

We shouldn't need to learn of gun safety and especially my children. Guns are evil. Winchester and Colt those people really ruined us with their inventions.

But , partly I agree. Guns are coming more and more popular and frequent these days, so kids should know the safety. But at the same time it could set kids off to want to use guns.

It's bad enough that video games teach them horrible things.

So, since "guns are evil", then, by that logic, so are matches and lighters (arson), automobiles (accidents in general), cheesecake (obesity), fried chicken (high blood pressure), booze (drunks in congress), and the Internet itself (for all the bad things it promotes).

 

[DrLeftover]

Thank you ma'am.

I didn't point out that Senator Ted Kennedy's car had killed more innocent people than all of the firearms I own put together.

I refrained from that one.

 

[Sinon]

I think the reason gun safety isn't taught is because the loudmouth super-pro-gun people will take it as a personal offence, and view it as another way for the government to "take away mah guns".

 

[DrLeftover]

I think the reason gun safety isn't taught is because the loudmouth super-pro-gun people will take it as a personal offence, and view it as another way for the government to "take away mah guns".

Just as Mrs. Obama's school lunch program is going to "take away mah pizza burgers"?

Not every firearms owner is an ignorant redneck with his mouth full of chewing tobacco.

Some are private security guards for liberal celebrity TV talk show hosts who are vehemently Anti-Gun.


from 2000

Citing threats made against her family because of her outspoken antigun stance, Rosie O'Donnell has enlisted the protection of an armed bodyguard to accompany her 4-year-old son to kindergarten next fall.

The Greenwich, Connecticut, school where her son will be attending has granted the talk show host permission to have the kindergarten cop look after her son while he's on school property--a decision that has outraged parents who are concerned about having an armed guard on the premises.

But O'Donnell promises the bodyguard--who has applied for a concealed weapons permit--will not carry a weapon while at the school and will only be armed off the school grounds.

http://www.eonline.com/news/39918/rosie-gets-her-gun

 

[Dee]

Because I think a LOT of people in this country would be highly, highly dissatisfied with it. That's not to say I believe we shouldn't (I don't, but I don't necessarily think anything is wrong with it), but guns and ownership/safety/use is a huuugely hot debate topic that a lot of people are split on. If it were ever to be taught in school, it should only be an elective class for students who get their parent's permission, but definitely not something required.

 

[DrLeftover]

The problem is that people honestly see firearms as evil, as was stated earlier in the thread.

They are not. They are an inanimate object, a tool, like a hammer or a chainsaw.

It is not the tool that is evil.

But in the hands of somebody who is untrained, irresponsible, or even using it with ill intent.... say:

The tool suddenly has definite potential to ruin your day.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Teaching kids about guns and gun safety in school would be a very smart thing to do!  I make a point to teach the younger kids in my family all about guns, starting from a very young age.  I grew up around guns; they've been part of my life since I was born.

Lesson #1:  Any gun you come across - anywhere and any time you come across one, regardless of what anyone tells you about that gun - is loaded.  Always treat every gun as though it is loaded.  If everyone followed this simple rule, the number of gun "accidents", like people shooting themselves while they clean their weapons would be greatly diminished.

If kids learn at an early age to respect guns, not to mess with them, how to handle them if, for some reason they need to handle one, the stories we hear about little kids accidentally shooting other little kids would be greatly decreased.  

This just makes sense.  In a country whose citizens can and do own weapons - in some cases, huge numbers of weapons - teaching the proper way to be safe around guns is just a logical, intelligent thing to do.

As for the above comment, that guns are "evil", I had to pick myself up off the floor, I was laughing so hard.  Guns are not evil.  Guns can not BE evil.  They are an inanimate object and they require a person to operate them.  Calling guns evil is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard anyone say about guns.  Talk about anthropomorphizing!!  Thanks for the laugh, EUH, but do me a favor:  Learn something about guns before you say such ignorant things.  I get that people fear what they don't understand, so it stands to reason that learning about them would be a good first step for you.

BRILLIANT RESPONSE!

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I think the reason gun safety isn't taught is because the loudmouth super-pro-gun people will take it as a personal offence, and view it as another way for the government to "take away mah guns".

I am one of those super loudmouth pro gun people and I would see it as a positive step for our pitiful school system. Hell schools should bring back the gun clubs they once had.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

And the communists with there propaganda posters are among us in the schools.

Incendiary Image of the Day: Elementary School Disarmament Poster Edition.
“Here’s a picture taken in my daughter’s school in Ridgefield, CT. I think this is the most blatantly hypocritical and uninformed anti-gun advertisement I have seen in a while. They don’t even hide behind the words ‘Gun Safety’. They just come out and say ‘disarmament’ like in the old Soviet propaganda posters, but softer . . . for the children. Today’s vocabulary word is ‘DISARMAMENT’.”
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/11/robert-farago/incendiary-image-day-elementary-school-disarmament-poster-edition/

 

[Webster]

As Doc said, guns in and of themselves are not evil.
On the other hand, sometimes people can do some really, really evil things with firearms....does that mean we restrict them? No, it doesn't.

If people think guns are evil, then by Doc's logic, everything else has to be considered evil as well...
...and for the record, I agree with Smooth's earlier post.

 

[Feeblemind]

I am all for that. I know here in New York, our governor is fighting for stricter regs...and NO gun safety or training in schools. For god's sake, I do not think we are talking elementary school here..but maybe middle school, high school with parental consent, and proper supervision. My feeling is at least one semester of safety, how to handle an unloaded gun, etc before they are allowed to fire a gun. Maybe loaded gun training not until high school or something.

BUT, that being suggested, do you feel this would prevent another Sandy Hook? Or Columbine? Or not?

 

[Feeblemind]

One more thing..I am a grown adult, still trying to get my husband to teach me how to handle and fire a gun properly.

 

[Sinon]

BUT, that being suggested, do you feel this would prevent another Sandy Hook?  Or Columbine?  Or not?

I highly doubt it. The people who acted out those events were competent in their use of firearms. Teaching the use of firearms wouldn't have prevented them at all.

 

[Dee]

BUT, that being suggested, do you feel this would prevent another Sandy Hook?  Or Columbine?  Or not?

I highly doubt it. The people who acted out those events were competent in their use of firearms. Teaching the use of firearms wouldn't have prevented them at all.

I feel like this was a matter of securing them better, not allowing your child to have access to any code or key COULD have possibly prevented it. We don't really know if he had ever been trained enough with them before that his mother trusted him to have access, and we never will because both of them are dead, but it sounded like although he wasn't ever described as "violent" that he did have some issues.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Once upon a time, it was common for an American child to be packed off to school with a rifle on his back and for him to come home smiling and safe in the evening. Shooting clubs, now quietly withering away, were once such a mainstay of American high-school life that in the first half of the 20th century they were regularly installed in the basements of new educational buildings. Now, they are in their death throes, victims of political correctness, a willful misunderstanding of what constitutes “gun safety,” and our deplorable tendency toward litigiousness.

That is, if they handed them in at all. Up until the ’70s, especially in rural areas, it was commonplace to see kids entering and leaving their school campuses with rifle bags slung lazily over their backs. Guns were left in school lockers, and rifles and shotguns were routinely seen in high-school parking lots, hanging in the rear windows of pickup trucks. A good friend of mine is from North Dakota. His father was telling me recently that in the late 1960s he would hunt before school and then take his rifle — and his bloodstained kills — to school to show his teachers. He and his friends would compare their shooting techniques in the school grounds. Nobody batted an eyelid. In North Dakota, school shootings were non-existent; in the country at large, they were extremely rare.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/338167/gun-clubs-school-charles-c-w-cooke

You know why this was common and normal then without mass shootings? I will tell you why because we taught morals! We taught self responsibility! We actually disciplined children when they did wrong. Kids worked, earned and were not the self centered bastards they are today. Children did not see the mass bad behavior of parents thinking it is okay to practice immoral behavior while the government pays for it. Believing in a religion and mentioning it in schools in America that we were founded on was not some evil thing but instead helped teach kids all of the above we are missing in todays schools.

We have a morality problem. Banning guns will not solve the problem.

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

Well , then we are influencing them with guns even earlier on.

Personally for me, if there wasn't a million unregistered guns in the states or Canada, I would force people to hand their gun into the government for destruction.

We shouldn't need to learn of gun safety and especially my children. Guns are evil. Winchester and Colt those people really ruined us with their inventions.

But , partly I agree. Guns are coming more and more popular and frequent these days, so kids should know the safety. But at the same time it could set kids off to want to use guns.

It's bad enough that video games teach them horrible things.

Are you kidding guns taught me through my parents everything that makes a person responsible and how valuable life is.

But the gun banners can never explain how these people would have survived without a gun. So please explain how these helpless people against younger thugs could have protected themselves. Please!

Grandpa Turns The Tables On 3 Would-Be Rapists In An Epic Way, Saving His Granddaughter And Wife

http://www.westernjournalism.com/grandfather-gun-takes-three-rapists/

Disabled vet thwarts home break-in — "A Marine Corps veteran who served four years in Vietnam ... was watching television in his bed at 7:42 p.m. at his home.... He heard someone prying off the lock and pulling the nails to the latch out of his front door. He grabbed his .45-caliber handgun, put it in a holster on his walker and began shuffling toward the sound. He flipped a hallway light on, yelled out to announce he was armed, and yanked open the door to see two men wearing ski masks. They jumped off his porch and practically tripped over one another trying to flee...."

Three armed home invaders repelled by armed homeowners — "A 62-year-old man and his 66-year-old wife were home ... the woman taking a bath.... Three men knocked on the door and then forced their way inside when the man, who didn't recognize them, tried to close the door, police said. One of the intruders was armed with a knife, another with a gun. They beat the man, who needed stitches to close a head wound, and cut his wife's hand after dragging her out of the bathtub.... The intruders then tied up the couple before searching the house for valuables, police said. At one point the robbers went outside, and the man was able to free himself and lock the front door. He and his wife then retreated to their bedroom and locked that door as well.... The bandits broke through the front door, firing a shot as they did so.... The man retrieved his own gun from a lock box and fired two shots when a pair of the bandits forced the bedroom door open.... Police believe the man hit one of the robbers, who then fled. An hour or so later in Federal Way, police were called to the scene of a dead man with gunshot wounds in the parking lot of an apartment complex...."

Elderly man kills robber who robbed and knocked wife to the ground — "A 36-year-old man was shot and killed Tuesday night while he was attempting to rob an elderly couple outside a Northwest Dallas grocery store, police say. The man, who has not been publicly identified, approached a man and a woman as they walked out of a grocery store and snatched a gold necklace from the woman's neck, police said.... The man knocked the woman to the ground.... The woman's husband, 71-year-old Ronnie Lummus, pulled out a handgun and fired several shots at the man.... The man got in his car but died before fleeing, police said...."

She shot her stalker — "A man was shot in the chest early Friday morning after trying to break into the home of a former girlfriend, according to police.... Citing the woman living at an apartment complex, [authorities] said she called officers regarding a former boyfriend kicking her door. Police said the woman fired two shots at the man once he made entry into the unit, hitting him once in the chest. The man fled from the scene and tried to hide in the area. A K-9 unit was able to locate him behind bushes... The victim ... had been sleeping with a chair in front of her door to keep her stalker out...." After the incident, the victim (the woman who was stalked, not the man who was deservedly shot — he most definitely was not a victim) posted a blog entry, and had this to say: "I'm writing this staring at the mess the police left for me, in a bit of a fog. After 6 months of stalking and threats against my life my stalker finally snapped and decided to kick my door in and make good on his promise. Out of fear, the past month I had begun sleeping with a chair propped against my front door, to give myself a few extra precious seconds in case of emergency. I shudder to think how differently things might've turned out had I not barricaded the door. I awoke around 1:15 am to the sound of the door giving way after one kick followed by the sounds of my stalker struggling to dislodge the chair while forcing his way inside. I jumped up and grabbed the gun I've learned to do everything even shower with. I stood at the top of my stairs and fired twice. Hitting him in the chest, I hear his scream, his disbelief that I'd stood up for myself.. 0 to 100 in milliseconds. I've never been so afraid in my life. I do not know if he is living, but I do know the police have him and that's what helps the most. For months of him evading the police I began to question whether he was unstoppable. Untraceable. Houdini, he would murder me and get away with it. As of now I'm in a haze of guilt, surprise, relief and disbelief. I shook as the canines drag him out from his hiding place under a bush. I survived, where so many people do not.... Those who believe there was other things to be done have never had someone tell you that you no longer deserve to draw breath and mean it. And for the 'shouldve fired a warning shot' folks: There are no warning shots, a gun is a deadly force, you only pull that trigger if you are in fear for your life and all other methods of deterring are gone. When he kicked my door in, there was no longer a deterrent preventing harm. Warning shots are dangerous and could hurt the unintended. This is not a wild west movie. That's what responsible gun ownership is."

And this is why you teach your kids how to safely use a gun. Because it could save the parents life one day.

2014-09-24 Eleven-year-old shoots man who was stabbing her mom — "The Oklahoma City Police Department says an 11-year-old girl shot a man who got into a fight with the child's mom at a SE OKC mobile home Wednesday morning.... Five children were inside the home when the incident happened.... 25-year-old Leonard Demon Henry broke in through the glass door and began attacking his ex-girlfriend and stabbing her.... That's when police say the victim's young daughter shot him twice. Police say when they arrived, the found him running from the home with a gun shot wound." [A stupid question for gun banners: What would the outcome have been if the young girl didn't have a gun? Her mom would be dead, and there's a good chance that some or all of the children would be dead or injured. Ban guns? You're crazy.]

 

[+paradox]

i guess it's up to the people that are teaching, and well...

I'm not too sure a lot of those people need to be in possession of a firearm, let alone teaching gun safety...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfONckOPyaI

 

[WHO IS SERAFIN]

I remember this from a few years ago. This guy is a trained DEA agent and he never learned you ALWAYS check to see if a gun is cleared when you take it from another person who was handling that gun. But I will give that guy some credit he was one tough sonuvabitch the way he took that bullet without curling up in a fetal position crying in pain.