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Why Should I Pay For Your Child's Education?

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When it comes to having our taxes go toward purposes we either don't support or actively disagree with, single people shouldn't have to pay taxes that go toward public schools.



Why should I have to support your kid in school? How do I benefit, how does it impact my life, when your kids get an education? Why should I care...and pay?



And when I run into truly stupid young people, something that seems to happen with disappointing regularity these days, can I sue their parents to recover my portion of tax that I paid to provide them with that which they've so obviously wasted?



Should it be the parents responsibility to pay for education, and not the taxpayer? I mean, how is it fair that one person may have 12 children all with free education, and a single parent has to pay taxes going towards that?





Debate.
 
They should be taxing the citizens more then they already do. Schools are highly underfunded and so many kids are crammed into a classroom. There isnt any time for teachers to give one on one support or give the kids as good of a quality education as they deserve.
 
Well if all schools were private, schools would be able to better get the money to maintain a good education. Say the average person is already being taxed for 2 children going through the school system. Say they eliminate that tax completely. You'd be paying it directly to the school, and they could get the money they need.



I just don't think it's fair that a family having 8 children should pay just as much for this country's child education as someone with no children.
 
If you havent noticed, we are in a recession. Unemployment is at its highest rate in a long time. Money doesnt grow on trees. Its not the child's fault that their parents dont have money and they shouldnt suffer or not recieve the same opportunities to an education as the rest of the children.
 
Smooth said:
How can you NOT care how well they are educated?



You want to encourage the state this society is degrading into where people can barely spell and can't name the Vice President of the United States??



To answer the first point, I do care. Education would still be mandatory, but privatized. We are paying for education already, so why not pay directly, and know where the money is going?



To answer the second point, we already have that. There are many people in USA that don't know all 50 states, as well as there are people in Canada who do not know the capitals of all the provinces and territories? Seeing as I am paying for it, do I have the right to sue for my portion of the money back when I ALREADY see boneheads like this running around? I mean, I am 17 and I see first hand the education we are getting here. It's not good. If I have one child, I can support them. If I have 12 children, I can just dip into the others' money, and get them an education. I want to know where my money is going. If I could directly pay for school, I would. Let me pay for my own education, but not that of others. I want to know where my money is going.
 
Nebulous said:
If you havent noticed, we are in a recession. Unemployment is at its highest rate in a long time. Money doesnt grow on trees. Its not the child's fault that their parents dont have money and they shouldnt suffer or not recieve the same opportunities to an education as the rest of the children.



Okay, I'll reiterate on my first post to support this one. If I have no children, should I still be putting money towards education of others? Or should the difference be made up by people who are actually benefiting from it, like the ones getting an education?







Furthermore..



Are there people currently who have children who would not take it upon themselves to educate them? You betcha. But in my opinion, it is exactly this that needs to stop. Becoming a parent is a choice and a responsibility one takes upon themselves and that responsibility should not be shoved onto the shoulders of others.



Should I start demanding that I receive tax money to pay for the rescued dogs that I chose to take responsibility for? - No. Doing so was my personal choice. No one made me do it. Hence, they are my sole responsibility and I have no logical reason to expect handouts from anyone else because of it.



Should we start regulating who can have children? Who can care for a pet? Perhaps. Responsibility for a commitment should be expected to prevent the intrusion upon the rights and freedoms of those around them.
 
If I have no children, should I still be putting money towards education of others?

Yes you should. You choose to live in a country that taxes for schools, police, health care, and other basic needs.. If you dont like it, move to another country that doesnt do such things. Good luck finding one. Lol.
 
Nebulous said:
Yes you should. You choose to live in a country that taxes for schools, police, health care, and other basic needs.. If you dont like it, move to another country that doesnt do such things. Good luck finding one. Lol.



This isn't about the fundamental requirements that we need. This is taxing someone for something they don't use. Probably because they realize they don't have the money to support a child. Why should you place the burden of your own child at all on the people around you? More than likely, it was your choice to bring a child in the world, no one elses. I shouldn't have to pay for this.
 
There are a lot of things that people are taxed for that they don't use...... I personally don't use the National Guard, Fema, Social Security, Medicare, Food Stamps, lots of things that I am taxed for. I've never used the services of the police or fire department. Some of our taxes go to maintain the jail system--I don't use that, why should I pay for that. And if you say well, you benefit from criminals not being on the street take that a step further back....when children are educated, they are better able to support themselves--get better jobs, etc--and not be a drain on the system. Therefore--won't be as apt to go to jail.
 
Still- Parents should be able to responsible enough to financially support their children. Nobody else. And earlier someone said that schools were overfilled. This would make people who really don't want to go to school a chance to get out. They won't pay for something they don't want to go to, and some parents won't want to, either. Then they can go get a job, and get a taste of responsibility. Then the people that do want to be at school will pay to go.
 
Not everyone has the money to send their kids to private school. Its hard out there in the real world especially when you are out of work in today's economy. When a job becomes available, hundreds of people apply for that one position.



Its easy to say people should pay for this and that when you get the luxury of living in a comfortable home where most everything is taken care of then when its time to go of to college, your parents send you off pay most of the bill. After graduating and your hand being held to through life, you go out and find a nice comfortable job and continue on in your sheltered middle class life.



Until you have been in the shoes of people who lived a rough life or have fallen on rough times, then you can't really say anything. Its easy to sit up on your pedestal and think everything in life comes so easy and everyone should just pay for everything themselves some how.
 
First of all, I am going to clarify something for you. You don't have to have kids to have used the tax money that goes to education. We ALL used it on ourselves from grades K-12, unless we attended private school or were home-schooled. It's like social security taxes, but in reverse. Instead of getting the big pay back at the end of your life (after having paid taxes all your life), you get to pay off instead what you took in the beginning. We all received that education and now that we have it, we get to pay back the government and society by using that brain and those skills we were given to earn them money back so even more people can get an education. It's not unfair in the least, since they gave us basic knowledge skills that many of us wouldn't otherwise have known if public school hadn't been around as an option.



Skillet said:
Still- Parents should be able to responsible enough to financially support their children. Nobody else. And earlier someone said that schools were overfilled. This would make people who really don't want to go to school a chance to get out. They won't pay for something they don't want to go to, and some parents won't want to, either. Then they can go get a job, and get a taste of responsibility. Then the people that do want to be at school will pay to go.



You could serve those same purposes just by not making going to public school mandatory. Just because we all have the opportunity to go to public school doesn't mean any of us HAS to. We can always go to private or be home-schooled. It's up to us and it doesn't stop us. If public school wasn't mandatory then we could keep those bad kids that don't want to learn out of schools, so your option isn't the only other one exclusively out there.



And I disagree with you entirely about making children work. There are labor laws against children working for a reason. In fact, I suggest you reading David Copperfield to get a taste of what the world and life was like BEFORE there were any labor laws protecting people in the world. It was pretty awful.



We live in America. And America is the land of opportunity. Where we don't have stations in life we are born in (with some exceptions) and someone can be born into a poor station in life and still become President someday. Why? Because of things like public school. People get trapped in their stations more without it. I mean, just think about it. People who are born in a rich family will get to go to the top notch schools (because they will charge the most) and therefore move on to get top notch jobs and poor people will get to go to cheap, horrible schools (because it's all their parents can afford) and get horrible jobs because of it, that is if they DO get to go to school before they work. Because you know there would be some poor people out there who would start popping out babies so they can put all their kids to work and make extra money off of having a bunch of children that they can't provide for. And that would be so wrong to do to those children who had no say in what kind of situation they were going to be born in.



We have public education so that everyone lives a higher quality of life. So people don't get stuck in the low quality of life. So that they have the opportunity to be different.



The more people that are educated and intelligent in a country, the higher the quality that the average person lives. That's why it's so desirable for everyone to be educated. That's why politicians fight over this issue and debate it a lot. Because when people are more greatly educated, then your country is the one coming up with better strategies about how to handle the government and better inventions to make everyone's life easier. Less people are doing menial jobs and tasks because we can leave those things to people in other countries with less education than us and perform the more intelligent tasks ourselves. People are happier. More wealthy. The list goes on and on and having a higher education just benefits all of us. Like people said. Those people getting an education now are the ones who will handle the government and the country when we're old and too frail to do it ourselves.



And you do not have a right to sue people for not being intelligent. Why? Because there's a difference between giving someone the OPPORTUNITY to get an education and giving someone a GUARANTEE that they will get an education. An opportunity just means that you give them the option, but it's their responsibility to embrace it and take advantage of their situation and not yours. A guarantee means that if they don't get an education you get your money back. You can't force people to learn, but you can give them the tools and that's what we do.
 
Paying taxes would be easier if you could go through and go like I want this, this and this like with homeowner's or car insurance, cause then the money would be better spent. there are a few things that taxes pay for when they shouldn't be. If it was like this, wouldn't the things that need more money perhaps get it, and the stupid things like welfare completely disappear?
 
xneseyx said:
Paying taxes would be easier if you could go through and go like I want this, this and this like with homeowner's or car insurance, cause then the money would be better spent. there are a few things that taxes pay for when they shouldn't be. If it was like this, wouldn't the things that need more money perhaps get it, and the stupid things like welfare completely disappear?

Stupid things like welfare?

Dont get me started on that one...

I grew up on welfare. My mom left her abusive husband and was unable to obtain a job due to her mental / physical problems but she kept getting denied for disability. If it weren't for welfare we would not have survived. Even then we were barely surviving. They dont give you much. And was was humiliating going grocery shopping with my mom and her ripping out food stamps to pay for the food.

Welfare is there for people who need it, not everyone is abusing the system.
 
not everyone is abusing the system, you're right. I'm sorry if I offended you. you don't often hear about real-life people needing welfare. most of the people you see are panhandling, and I just never thought about the people who actually need it before I wrote what I wrote. I apologize.
 
Absolutely phenomenal post sabrina. Kudos to you to not only having a view, but supporting it in detail.. I don't have enough time to think of a great rebuttal right now, but will later tonight. Many of these things are not necessarily my absolute viewpoint, it's just nice to have a contrasting viewpoint to make yours even stronger.



+1 Rep for your time, and effort. I'll get back to this thread tonight.
 
Honestly I sorta figured out a little why some people don't wanna go to school or continue to higher education in us. First of all because why spend so much time going to school. When you can go to work and get paid. Local store, mall, gas station don't need education. If you know what you are doing, you are hired ! You do not need high school diploma or college degree for that. All you need is experience and you are going to get paid with the similar amount of money that people work in office get per hour.



Hence why you see a lot of younger parents. They are confident that can live on their own..and feed the family. If not, hey there is a walfare. Basically U.S giving them an option how they want to live their life.



Whereas if you live in other places like Asia, you have to have at least college degree to get hired at the office and you do need to get job in good workplaces. You won't be able to survive just by working at store or gas station. You'd be so lucky to at least get to eat once a day with that condition.
 
I would say yes to parent having to pay for their public education or at least have a fee for each extra child enrolled after 1 or 2.
 
Temerit said:
I would say yes to parent having to pay for their public education or at least have a fee for each extra child enrolled after 1 or 2.



Any tax cuts for those choosing not to have children?
 
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