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California Cmte Approves Legislation To End Use Of "Redskins" Name

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....what, are things that good in the state of California Land of Fruits & Nuts that this is an important issue to Californians?
(Think Progress)
The next front in the fight against “Redskins” mascots: California. The California state assembly’s education committee last week unanimously approved legislation that would prohibit schools from using the nickname that has drawn controversy mostly for its use by Washington’s NFL team. The name has garnered scrutiny at the high school level across the nation too, as Native Americans have drawn attention to the fact that it is an offensive slur that perpetuates stereotypes and can have damaging effects on their communities.

The vote came a week after a local school board in western New York voted to quit using the same name at Lancaster High School, a contentious decision that drove months of public debate. In California, where Assemblymember Luis Alejo (D) introduced this legislation in December after the legislature approved a resolution condemning Washington’s use of the word, four high schools still use “Redskins,” even as Native American activists and others have fought to change them.

“In today’s society, this term has become widely recognized as a racial slur that promotes discrimination,” Alejo said in a release after the legislation gained committee approval. “For far too long we have allowed stereotypes and derogatory terms to become normalized to our younger generations. But this is more than a team name. It’s about respect. Respect for every culture and person, and Native American tribes must not be left out.”

The California legislature passed similar legislation in 2004, but then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) vetoed it. This time could be different, especially as the ongoing controversies in Washington and in states like New York have increased public attention, said Dahkota Kicking Bear Brown, a 16-year-old Native American student who has gathered letters of support for the legislation.

“I think with the controversy happening in Washington and New York, as big as the issue is, and with as much controversy that follows it, it’ll definitely have an impact here in California,” Brown, who attends Argonaut High School, said. “With them (changing) it in New York, I think that’ll have a positive impact in setting a precedent for other schools across the country.”

Brown, who founded a non-profit organization to support Native American students, has spoken out against use of the mascot across the country in the past year. Brown started fighting such nicknames when he had to play football against Argonaut’s local rival, Calaveras High, which still uses the “Redskins” moniker. “The amount of pain felt by our Native youth outweighs the pain of any dedicated racist mascot fans by an immeasurable amount,” Brown said last year at a Washington D.C. event (hosted by the parent company of this site) while detailing the effects such mascots can have on Native American students. “It’s time for a change.”

Brown and his brother Dahlton, a senior at Stanford University, became involved in the legislative fight when they met Alejo while gathering signatures against Calaveras’ use of the name at a Native American heritage event in September. They have since helped gain letters of support for Alejo’s legislation from tribes from around the country and a “diverse group” of individuals and organizations that oppose the mascot. While multiple school districts that still use the name have attempted to organize against the legislation, the positive reactions outweigh the negative, Brown said, adding, “There’s a lot of people in support of this bill.”

The worst opposition, the brothers said, has not been from students or others in the community, where most of the reaction has come in the form of support or questions about the issue. Rather, it has come from the internet. But the criticism they and the legislation have received is in a way proof of the point they are trying to make.

“You’re talking about a dehumanizing mascot, that when Native people try to use their agency and their voice to change it, they’re put down even harder,” he said. “The mascot itself lends the ability for people to bring those stereotypes into the conversation when we’re trying to use our voice to remove them altogether.”

The next step for the legislation is approval from the assembly’s Arts, Entertainment, Sports, Tourism, and Internet Media Committee. Passage there would send it to the full legislature for consideration. And while the legislation has received little attention outside the interested parties thus far, both brothers are hopeful it will gain full approval — and Gov. Jerry Brown’s (D) signature — this time around.

California is one of several states where the issue around Native American mascots continues to play out. A Colorado legislative committee narrowly approved a bill to prohibit Native American school mascots unless they were approved by local tribes or a state committee; Oregon enacted similar legislation last year and is still working through a controversial implementation process. An Oklahoma school quit using “Redskins” last year, and in California, where Stanford dropped its “Indians” mascot all the way back in 1970 and a local high school changed a similar mascot this year, such change is hardly unprecedented.

“Many universities and school districts in California have already taken the lead by voluntarily removing this offensive mascot,” Alejo said in his release. “It’s time we as a state take a stand against racial slurs used by our public schools.”

...what's next, do we give the Western U.S. back to the natives? Thoughts?
 
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God every time I go that state to visit my wife's sister I think and see how a society full of progressive liberals have ruined a once nice place.
 
so will the clevelands browns have to change thier name too cos of its racist over tones?.......what about the vikings?........thats derogatory to scandanavians............cardianals and saints cos they aint 'muslim' enough?


what a crock
 
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...what's next, do we give the Western U.S. back to the natives? Thoughts?

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That was a huge leap, OP...from a proposal to ban California schools from using the nickname "Redskins" for their sports teams to an edict giving back the entire Western United States to the indigenous people.

There was something just a tad bit flawed in that ergo-ipso-facto application of *logic*...but it's *nice* to see the same folks jumped on the bandwagon, without questioning one single bit of it.

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Its' the ridiculousness of it: with all the things going on in California at present, things must be going really well if they've got time in Sacramento to debate banning the word Redskins as a mascot name...
 
Its' the ridiculousness of it: with all the things going on in California at present, things must be going really well if they've got time in Sacramento to debate banning the word Redskins as a mascot name...

Got it. You believe the California lawmakers should have more important things to attend to than removing derogatory labels from treasured U.S. traditions, which are leveled against one segment of the population.

Oh, and by "treasured U.S. traditions" I mean high school and college sports, NOT the "treasured U.S. tradition" of labeling anyone who's not like *US* with derogatory labels.
 
Got it. You believe the California lawmakers should have more important things to attend to than removing derogatory labels from treasured U.S. traditions, which are leveled against one segment of the population.

The point I was trying to make was that, given the things that state governments are usually entrusted to do, this is pretty darn low on the list, meaning either things are pretty peachy in the Golden State at the moment or those legislators have way too much time on their hands.
 
The point I was trying to make was that, given the things that state governments are usually entrusted to do, this is pretty darn low on the list, meaning either things are pretty peachy in the Golden State at the moment or those legislators have way too much time on their hands.
Yes, I got it. My summary of your statement proves that I got it: California lawmakers should have more pressing issues to consider than fucking with *our* treasured U.S. custom of slapping derogatory labels on those who are not like *us*.


Some of us who actually live in California and therefore are actually affected by these things are A-OK with our legislators *wasting* their time forcing others to act more civilly towards one another; some of us believe that other residual good stuff might actually come from banning *civilized* people from engaging in such activities...that it might actually change their pre-programmed mindset in other areas, too.
 
Think about it Webster.

Would you rather have a legislative committee, and, aye, that entire governmental body, spending its time spitting and sputtering about which words are and are not to be used to describe the mascots for a junior high school ball team....

... OR ....

... do you want them dicking around with the tax code and zoning ordinances?
 
Might as well just follow in the treasured U.S. tradition and name teams the "Fullerton 'Faggots'" and the "Compton 'Cunts'", yanno...since *we* can't control *our*selves to do the right thing withOUT legislation.
 
You see Webster in the world of liberaland it doesn't matter if the overwhelming majority of Indians don't find it offensive because some where some how some one is offended and that can't stand dammit!! And it doesn't matter and they don't care that the name like redskins was actually honoring the Indians when it was chosen as a football name. But my god how dare they honor the tough warriors they were by naming a helicopter the apache.
 
To be honest, to the best of my knowledge I don't know any "Indians" (or Native Americans, for that matter) TO be able to ask whether or not they find it offensive...let alone knowing ALL "Indians" (or Native Americans) to know if those I'VE personally asked and been assured it's NOT offensive DO make up "the majority".

I'll defer to those who HAVE met every single "Indian" (or Native American) and asked this question of them, so they can factually state the majority of them are NOT bothered by seemingly derogatory labels tossed their way.

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A poll was done asking the American Indians if they find names offensive. And that was a big fat no. It was tomohawked down if you will. Hell one of the leaders of the Indian nations sits with the owner of the redskins at the football games for god sakes.

Might try and find that poll tonight.
 
Do you have a citation to this legitimate site upon which the results of this poll of "American Indians" decreed that the majority of them are NOT offended by this term,


or should we just take your word for it?


Yanno, like we needed to just take your word for the assertion that '100% of pilot-caused deliberate crashes were due to their Muslim religion...and its inherent extremism'...which ended up being 100% not true...


...factually-speaking.
 
Do you have a citation to this legitimate site upon which the results of this poll of "American Indians" decreed that the majority of them are NOT offended by this term,


or should we just take your word for it?


Yanno, like we needed to just take your word for the assertion that '100% of pilot-caused deliberate crashes were due to their Muslim religion...and its inherent extremism'...which ended up being 100% not true...


...factually-speaking.


You can take my word for it or don't. Whatever floats your boat. But as I wrote i will possibly look it up tonight even though this informatin I learned was shown on t.v. and radio for weeks not the internet. B

And I said airline crashes intentionally done have been from religious reasons. And nothing has been proven otherwise.
 
So, you CAN'T produce a citation to a legitimate source, all the while a citation to a legitimate source disproving your presented-as-fact statement that "airline crashes intentionally done have been from religious reasons" HAS already been provided. Ergo, you are deliberately making fraudulent statements.


Yeah...no, your word isn't worth the piece of paper they're not typed on, as you simply employ the anonymity of the internet to spread your particular delusional brand of hysteria with which actual facts interfere.


Got it.
 
And also the Indians themselves use the name Redskins for there own teams on the reservations.


Majority of Native Americans Not Offended by Redskins

Blackhorse speaks of "the majority of Native American people who have spoken out on this." This would seem implausible even if a 2004 poll had not found that 90 percent of Native Americans were not offended by the Redskins' name. A 2013 AP-GfK poll showed that 79 percent of Americans of all ethnicities opposed changing it, and just 18 percent of "nonwhite football fans" favored changing it.

http://www.newsmax.com/GeorgeWill/Native-Americans-Redskins-tolerance/2014/06/30/id/579957/
 
So, you CAN'T produce a citation to a legitimate source, all the while a citation to a legitimate source disproving your presented-as-fact statement that "airline crashes intentionally done have been from religious reasons" HAS already been provided. Ergo, you are deliberately making fraudulent statements.


Yeah...no, your word isn't worth the piece of paper they're not typed on, as you simply employ the anonymity of the internet to spread your particular delusional brand of hysteria with which actual facts interfere.


Got it.

But I did. But it is a honor you say otherwise.
 
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