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Abortion is Healthcare
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I do believe that abortion is murder when it is done just for convenience. I think that this is deliberate destruction of a human life, which should amount to matter more than a bunch of cat fetuses or brood of unhatched cockroaches.
I'm sure that life would have been easier and less complicated & stressful if my mother had chosen to abort me; but I have so much enjoyed life and am so thankful that she made the decision that she did.
I do not agree with a legal system of punishing the young women and doctors who make this choice, but I do firmly believe that it is morally wrong.
I am pro-choice, always have been, and always will be. This means that I don't believe that anyone should be forced into anything. A woman should not be forced to carry a pregnancy that she doesnt want, regardless of her reasons for not wanting it, and a man should not be forced to care for a child that he doesn't want. I do agree that abortion is healthcare, and disagree with those who say it is murder, but I am not trying to nor care to convince other people.
People are different, circumstances are different, and a one size fits all approach doesn't even work when it comes to clothing, so it stands to reason that it wouldn't apply to life either. I might not like abortion myself, and probably wouldn't get one depending on the circumstances, but I would never try to impose what I would or wouldn't do onto another woman, because it is my life, not hers, so what might work for me might not work for her and vice versa.
The man also doesn't get to complain about having to take care of a child that he didn't try to prevent either. Condoms exist, they may only be 98% effective when used properly, but they are a hell of a lot better then taking your chances by going raw and then being on the hook for the next 18-21 years and often times co-parenting with someone you don't even like once the beer goggles wore off. These men are also the same men who complain that women have the right to choose whether or not to remain pregnant or use birth control. If you don't want someone else calling the shots on whether or not to be a father, then wear a condom.
It is literally the easiest thing you can do, and in some states you can get them for free.. and there have been clinical trials for male birth control (I believe Vaselgel was one of them but is slow to market because men didn't want to sign up for trials, not sure of its current status now but last I read years ago it wasn't ready for testing because men were hesitant to sign up), so that men can have birth control too.. so if a man doesn't want to be a father, but doesn't want to wear a condom to protect himself, or join the trials for male contraceptives, then what does he really want? Why would he complain about women and their choices, if he has the same options himself?
Pregnancy is the result of sexual intercourse, but not all intercourse is consensual, hell, not all of it is involving 2 consenting adults, let alone conscious ones. Sometimes it is a result of rape, be it marital and especially those involving children (commonly preferred by the clergy, cops and politicians,) reproductive coersion, (such as a husband yanking out his wifes IUD and then raping her because she didn't want more children) or a man stealthing (removing a condom unbeknownst to his partner who only agreed to protected sex with him), refusing to wear one or poking holes in it or drugging his partner to make sure her birth control didn't work) and in rare cases, even necrophilia (in this case, the deceased was a male who was raped by a nurse who got pregnant.)
These people seem to only care about the unborn, until it is born and then after that you are on your own. These kids, often end up in the system for their entire lives, some of them having been returned by those who adopted them as babies (some YouTubers even did this for clout and money until they were caught) until the kid is then dumped on the streets at 18 where they will inevitably become the most recent hashtag courtesy of some cop who didn't want to run but decided to pull the trigger anyway or worse, decided to pray on that child and then pulled the trigger anyway once that child decided to fight back. Even if the previous scenario didn't apply, they would still end up in the penal system as adults and this would contribute to the mass-incarceration problem in this country.
That said, the world would go around much smoother if people learned to mind their own business. Which seems to be an alien concept for certain people who believe that their lives and beliefs are or should be an exact model for everyone, regardless of how fucked up it is. I will say those those who say they are pro-life tend to be really quiet about the kids currently sitting in foster care and in orphanages who were also born to parents that couldn't care for them. Doesn't these kids deserve as much of a shot at a good life as the unborn? Why is the emphasis placed on those who aren't here yet, in lieu of those already here?
Nothing is ever said about these kids, or the ones adopted and then repeatedly abused by the parents.. but people always assume that adoption = happy ending just as much as they assume to know what circumstances will work best in other people's lives.
People are different, circumstances are different, and a one size fits all approach doesn't even work when it comes to clothing, so it stands to reason that it wouldn't apply to life either. I might not like abortion myself, and probably wouldn't get one depending on the circumstances, but I would never try to impose what I would or wouldn't do onto another woman, because it is my life, not hers, so what might work for me might not work for her and vice versa.
The man also doesn't get to complain about having to take care of a child that he didn't try to prevent either. Condoms exist, they may only be 98% effective when used properly, but they are a hell of a lot better then taking your chances by going raw and then being on the hook for the next 18-21 years and often times co-parenting with someone you don't even like once the beer goggles wore off. These men are also the same men who complain that women have the right to choose whether or not to remain pregnant or use birth control. If you don't want someone else calling the shots on whether or not to be a father, then wear a condom.
It is literally the easiest thing you can do, and in some states you can get them for free.. and there have been clinical trials for male birth control (I believe Vaselgel was one of them but is slow to market because men didn't want to sign up for trials, not sure of its current status now but last I read years ago it wasn't ready for testing because men were hesitant to sign up), so that men can have birth control too.. so if a man doesn't want to be a father, but doesn't want to wear a condom to protect himself, or join the trials for male contraceptives, then what does he really want? Why would he complain about women and their choices, if he has the same options himself?
Pregnancy is the result of sexual intercourse, but not all intercourse is consensual, hell, not all of it is involving 2 consenting adults, let alone conscious ones. Sometimes it is a result of rape, be it marital and especially those involving children (commonly preferred by the clergy, cops and politicians,) reproductive coersion, (such as a husband yanking out his wifes IUD and then raping her because she didn't want more children) or a man stealthing (removing a condom unbeknownst to his partner who only agreed to protected sex with him), refusing to wear one or poking holes in it or drugging his partner to make sure her birth control didn't work) and in rare cases, even necrophilia (in this case, the deceased was a male who was raped by a nurse who got pregnant.)
These people seem to only care about the unborn, until it is born and then after that you are on your own. These kids, often end up in the system for their entire lives, some of them having been returned by those who adopted them as babies (some YouTubers even did this for clout and money until they were caught) until the kid is then dumped on the streets at 18 where they will inevitably become the most recent hashtag courtesy of some cop who didn't want to run but decided to pull the trigger anyway or worse, decided to pray on that child and then pulled the trigger anyway once that child decided to fight back. Even if the previous scenario didn't apply, they would still end up in the penal system as adults and this would contribute to the mass-incarceration problem in this country.
That said, the world would go around much smoother if people learned to mind their own business. Which seems to be an alien concept for certain people who believe that their lives and beliefs are or should be an exact model for everyone, regardless of how fucked up it is. I will say those those who say they are pro-life tend to be really quiet about the kids currently sitting in foster care and in orphanages who were also born to parents that couldn't care for them. Doesn't these kids deserve as much of a shot at a good life as the unborn? Why is the emphasis placed on those who aren't here yet, in lieu of those already here?
Nothing is ever said about these kids, or the ones adopted and then repeatedly abused by the parents.. but people always assume that adoption = happy ending just as much as they assume to know what circumstances will work best in other people's lives.
How could it possibly be otherwise?
Is a woman who has a miscarriage guilty of murder?
Is allowing a woman to die due to pregnancy complications, who could be saved by an abortion, murder?
Is contraception murder?
Is allowing these questions to be answered by a group of ignorant males the right answer? (pardon the generalities)
Is allowing a woman to die due to pregnancy complications, who could be saved by an abortion, murder?
Is contraception murder?
Is allowing these questions to be answered by a group of ignorant males the right answer? (pardon the generalities)
I want to chime in and mention that it's not just women affected by these restrictions. Trans men can have babies and so can nonbinary people. Either way it should ultimately be up to the person carrying the fetus if they wish to get an abortion, and the government should have no say in any medical decisions. Putting restrictions on this healthcare causes more issues, what if a young child unfortunately gets r**ed and gets pregnant? They are forced to have a baby at their young age under these barbaric laws!
Interesting history of Christianity and abortion. Numbers 5:20-22 has priests performing abortions in cases of adultery (bitter water). Up until the mid 1970s large sects of evangelical Christianity formally accepted the need for abortion in certain circumstances, and did not fight against roe vs wade. In the late 1970s, abortion was seen by conservative politicians to bring evangelicals into their camp (many social issues had previously kept these groups apart), and this particular culture war was begun. Note that evangelical christians did not consider Catholicism a legit religion.
Pardon many generalities above, and I don't recommend to try the bitter water recipe in Numbers, even though the word of God is immutable.
Pardon many generalities above, and I don't recommend to try the bitter water recipe in Numbers, even though the word of God is immutable.
Christianity is certainly open to imperfection (just the human element
) and criticism; but, really need not follow the laws and practices observed by the Hebrews in the O.T. Just saying that the quote from the book of Numbers may not be a fair observation.
Numbers is chock full of unfair observations
That do not apply directly to Christianity.
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