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China the next evil superpower?

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Here is a debate topic I seen on another forum:

Hi everyone,

I do not hate China or Chinese I think they are very nice and peaceful people.

Now the conversation is about China leadership not the people of China.



China today is communist country that does not care about human rights.

They build huge military power and in the next 10 years they will be superpower.

The last military might we can see is the J-20 stealth jet.

As you can see it's very similar to the F-35 that USA built and now selling worldwide.



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China allies are: North-Korea, Iran, Sudan…

Show me your friends and I will know who you are…!

I am worry because we are financing China to become superpower. We buy everything from China because it cheep and in the end when they will be strong enough we will hear from them strongly.

Your thoughts?
 
I thought we bought everything from Taiwan.
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I personally think that people who start debates should post their own opinion first.



I find it hugely irritating when someone starts a debate without a comment as you have nothing to agree or disagree with.



All that person is doing is upping their own post and thread count without opening themselves up to criticism.



I think YOU Freddy should post your opinions for a change and make the debate interesting!
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I think that China is a force to watch out for. They have the largest population and they are pretty smart. However if we started boycotting all their products, we'd probably be screwed. It would cost a lot more to produce everything the world needs in countries that require workers make a decent wage, work 40 hours a week and get overtime pay for anything over that, be offered benefits, etc. We'd all go bankrupt.
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That doesn't mean I agree with how China treats its factory workers though.
 
Logical fallacy, Nebulous. The goods can be produced in nations with proper labour-rights laws, people just don't want to pay for them, and even more so, people are gluttons and don't want less of the supply. Beyond that, the companies that do outsource to China - big motivation? Higher Upper-Management pay. We wouldn't go bankrupt at all, particularly with discretional items made domestically rather than China (I'm pretty sure people won't go bankrupt if they DON'T buy TVs because they are a little more expensive). You're de facto blaming the responsible people for instituting fair labour rights for the problem, when China is the nation that has the problem with the labour rights deficiency.



The cited poster that the OP issues makes some mistakes as well - the J-20 is nowhere near similar to the F-35 Lightning II JSF, which hasn't even completed production yet, and thus can't really be sold yet (there's pending offers and inquiries and actual aircraft in existence, but deployability won't be until later).



China has business relations with the above nation that the cited poster makes, but China isn't really allies with such nations, with the exception of North Korea. If Iran got tangled up in a conflict with another nation, especially if it were Israel and/or the United States, China wouldn't intervene nor probably even send less confrontational support. If, however, there was a conflict that took place in the Koreas, China would likely step in again.



China, in the post-Cold War years, has taken the place where the Soviet Union once was, and if something goes bad in Southeast Asia, they will be the catalyst for World War Three, and I think the ideological battle that exists, and if there is no internal revolution, is conductive and full-speed ahead in that direction. Unfortunately, business establishments have undermined a future way to keep a strategic and competitive advantage, because they've basically engaged in appeasement to China, much in the way that European powers acquiesced to Hitler/Nazi Germany prior to World War II, all in order for a few extra bucks in their wallet.



You can see the future threat China holds, and the face of the effect in the media and in politics. Iran, Sudan, Burma/Myanmar, and others have a bunch of similar human rights violations, but they are simply either not as profitable, or like in the case of Iraq, which draws similarities to China, really, pre-invasion - the U.S. could simply take out the competition and what wasn't liked. China, on the other hand is both profitable, and formidable, China has nuclear weapons and the U.S. has gone toe-to-toe by proxy, with China (the U.S. gave up their advantage by not taking advantage of the MacArthur strategy...), and it wasn't a positive experience. Therefore, despite China's just-as-bad civil rights issues, business is still done with them, because there is money to be had, and it's become almost a little to late to play hardball - so they are dictating the terms.



The wild card if a conflict were to develop, would be Russia - if NATO can get over it's anti-Russian sentiment, and the Russians stop the backward slide, Russia would be a HUGE boon into getting China to take a look in the mirror, and reconsider its ways. However right now Russian policy largely encourages the situation that is in place.
 
Evil Eye said:
Luckily for us China's slowly being corrupted by our western ideals.





... or not.



Chinese Pianist Plays Propaganda Tune at White House

US humiliated in eyes of Chinese by song used to inspire anti-Americanism



The movie and the tune are widely known among Chinese, and the song has been a leading piece of anti-American propaganda by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) for decades. CCP propaganda has always referred to the Korean War as the “movement to resist America and help [North] Korea.” The message of the propaganda is that the United States is an enemy—in fighting in the Korean War the United States’ real goal was said to be to invade and conquer China. The victory at Triangle Hill was promoted as a victory over imperialists.



Lang Lang the pianist says he chose it. Chairman Hu Jintao recognized it as soon as he heard it. Patriotic Chinese Internet users were delighted as soon as they saw the videos online. Early morning TV viewers in China knew it would be played an hour or two beforehand. At the White House State dinner on Jan. 19, about six minutes into his set, Lang Lang began tapping out a famous anti-American propaganda melody from the Korean War: the theme song to the movie “Battle on Shangganling Mountain.”



The film depicts a group of “People’s Volunteer Army” soldiers who are first hemmed in at Shanganling (or Triangle Hill) and then, when reinforcements arrive, take up their rifles and counterattack the U.S. military “jackals.”





http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/49822/
 
Superpowers are never evil. Only leaders are.



Freezy said:
China wouldn't even think of trying to do anything to the U.S...



U.S. would destroy China...

I disagree. China and the US both have nuclear weapons, China has a much larger population than the US, but the US also has a large population. Both have advanced military and technology (although the US is probably more ahead with tech). I think they would basically destroy each other.



The only thing containing world peace is China trying to feed its population. Quote I heard somewhere.
 
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