Do you believe there is a God??

[alakazam]

You stated as such, when you stated that child "abuse" is not a "bad" thing. "Abuse" infers "bad", by mere definition OF the terms; by removing "bad" from "abuse", (child/self/system) "abuse" can NOT exist, as there is no longer anything "abusive" about it.


You're welcome, again.

One of the definitions of "abuse" is "to commit sexual assault upon".



I was questioning whether according to God's moral compass that is a bad thing. I mean, considering that He he never mentions anything against it in the Bible, and the Bible is pretty specific about most things related to society (e.g.: marriage, divorce, food, clothing, homosexuality, even haircuts).

Oh, and accidentally skipping a letter is a word is different from not knowing how to spell.

P.S.: I love how you have to use the 'you're welcome' thing to cover up how insecure you are in this debate... :tongue:

 

[mrldii]

One of the definitions of "abuse" is "to commit sexual assault upon".



I was questioning whether according to God's moral compass that is a bad thing. I mean, considering that He he never mentions anything against it in the Bible, and the Bible is pretty specific about most things related to society (e.g.: marriage, divorce, food, clothing, homosexuality, even haircuts).

Oh, and accidentally skipping a letter is a word is different from not knowing how to spell.

P.S.: I love how you have to use the 'you're welcome' thing to cover up how insecure you are in this debate... :tongue:

Thank you for the tutorial in what the word "abuse" means; it was obvious I was clear about the meaning of the word, but it's nice to know that you're now on board with its meaning, too...and that you now realize A definition of "abuse" is "to commit sexual assault upon", which earlier you were attempting to assure us that many don't see it as "child abuse", but instead a 'privilege' and a 'rite [right?] of passage' and that it is a 'good' and 'welcomed' occurrence.

I was not aware that God had appointed you as His spokesperson or that you are in the unique position TO determine what God truly might think about things; I'm sure it's taken a load off His plate, having you to do His translating and interpreting for Him.

P.S. I use the "'you're welcome' thing" to indicate that I have just stated an answer which is painfully obvious to EVERYone else reading, but is *alluding* the person asking the question, perhaps due to the questioner's choice to be deliberately obtuse.


This is NOT a debate; this is you attempting to divorce yourself from words YOU chose to type, which are still there, in black-and-white and still attributed to you.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

I don't believe there is a God. I believe it was a book written for morals and laws . That way there was control within society.

The punishment wasn't jail as it is now, but no knowledge to what happens to you once you died. So fear was the punishment enforcing a moral conscience.

My 2 pennies worth

 

[Dee]

because god gives everyone free will, thus there's an unlimited ways of life can be put in motion... it's simple, go left or right, or perhaps up...

That is what a religious person might take from it. But when you're on the fence or an atheist, it seems like a really very dumb excuse for all the bad things that happen. Yes, everyone has free will, but can you be entirely sure it's what God gave us? Maybe he's as some say the little boy with the magnifying glass watching us ants scuttle around, terrified and lost under the threatening beam that'll fry us the moment he wishes. I don't know. I just know the questions I have don't have good enough answers.

 

[Raven]

Alakazam.

You brought this up when its not what the original post was about.
Im glad the people you know have got over the horrific crime dine to to them, but for most it is not that easy. I would like to see the reaction if you posted what you said on the depression forum i visit. I think you'd have been in for one hell of an argument.
That being said shall we get back on topic?

Ohhh and one other thing. I am dyslexic. And I also have severe tremors I spell words how they sound. And it's also very easy for me to hit. The wrong buttons on my keyboard! So sorry if that upsets you. Perhaps you should request Nebulous to put in a spellchecker!!!

 

[reddyash]

I can't prove the god exists one way or another so I don't claim he exists, nor do I claim he doesn't.

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

I have absolutely no words for this post and am quite frankly shocked that these words were even typed.

I do, some people take to trolling and using shock factor statement which they know are not acceptable in society. It then is meant to prompt a reaction to escalate.

I'm impressed that it didn't really have the impact he wanted.

As for God. The 10 commandments are not free will. Take thou shall not kill. Well if you kill these days their are consequences, real impacts that affects their current existance, the fear then was in death.

 

[michonne]

Yes....as a scientist/mathematician there is no possible way all this complex order came to be "accidentally" there is intelligent design out there...call it God, call it whatever you like....but it's NOT random or accidental..

 

[mrldii]

I watched an interesting show on H2 on Easter where they discussed the how-fores and why-fores of the creation of The Ten Commandments, from a historical/social point of view.

They made an interesting point that ALL of the 'laws' were made based on the importance of property-ownership, as the freed-and-now-wandering Jewish slaves had never OWNED property before. One example that jumped out was the "Thou shall not commit adultery." The program pointed out that people nowadays think God has a moral problem with people having sex outside of marriage. The society at the time had a problem with children being born out of wedlock, as women were not allowed to own property and property rights were passed down to the eldest son, ONLY. You couldn't have a bunch of men not knowing who the rightful heir to their one-and-only possession were, when THAT ownership was the only thing that gave you a voice in how the community would operate.

Thus the creation of the anti-adultery 'law'. Now, with birth control and property rights belonging to whomever can afford to purchase the property and pay the taxes, *adultery* is not such a big deal.

It was fascinating to see how The Laws (i.e., The 10 Commandments) were nothing more than guidelines on how to maintain oneself in a society, where no society had existed before; previously, all one HAD to do (i.e., could do) is whatever your master told you to do.

 

[michonne]

I watched an interesting show on H2 on Easter where they discussed the how-fores and why-fores of the creation of The Ten Commandments, from a historical/social point of view.

They made an interesting point that ALL of the 'laws' were made based on the importance of property-ownership, as the freed-and-now-wandering Jewish slaves had never OWNED property before. One example that jumped out was the "Thou shall not commit adultery." The program pointed out that people nowadays think God has a moral problem with people having sex outside of marriage. The society at the time had a problem with children being born out of wedlock, as women were not allowed to own property and property rights were passed down to the eldest son, ONLY. You couldn't have a bunch of men not knowing who the rightful heir to their one-and-only possession were, when THAT ownership was the only thing that gave you a voice in how the community would operate.

Thus the creation of the anti-adultery 'law'. Now, with birth control and property rights belonging to whomever can afford to purchase the property and pay the taxes, *adultery* is not such a big deal.

It was fascinating to see how The Laws (i.e., The 10 Commandments) were nothing more than guidelines on how to maintain oneself in a society, where no society had existed before; previously, all one HAD to do (i.e., could do) is whatever your master told you to do.

I've also reached similar conclusions regarding the "laws" set forth by "God" in the bible.....if you think about it violation of those "laws" sets the violator up for pain and suffering as a direct result of the violations...I'm not even talking about getting caught

It's like liars always think everyone else is lying...cheaters thinking they're always being cheated on...etc...these behaviors that violate the laws set into motion consequences beyond our control that typically cause the offender pain.

Some call it karma....what goes around comes around....

 

[michonne]

Man needs God....did man create God?

 

[+paradox]

god doesn't have to be what humans think god is and how god does and deals with everything...

 

[WhoFlungpoo]

god doesn't have to be what humans think god is and how god does and deals with everything...

Forgive me here. But I thought human's dealt with everything.

From their actions, behaviour and the consequences of all of them.

 

[DrLeftover]

"Men create the gods in their own image."
- Xenophanes, Greek Philosopher, (570? – 475 BC)

Sometimes also attributed to Aristotle

 

[mrldii]

As michonne and DrLeft have indicated, I, too, am fond of the eternal paradigm:

'Did God create Man...or did Man create God?'

 

[DrLeftover]

'Did God create Man...or did Man create God?'

The answer to the question is: "yes"

 

[mrldii]

The answer to the question is: "yes"

No.

 

[DrLeftover]

To my answer.

The very nature of GOD demands that His (I hate using the neutral pronoun for the Deity) Existence have meaning. Evidently that requires us, to our good fortune, otherwise, this conversation would be much shorter.

Our existence would be meaningless without that essential part of ourselves that we call 'soul' continuing beyond our own mortality. Without God, that continuation would be as meaningless as our existence without it would be.

The fact that we have free will and are able to choose whether or not we accept the evidence of our own existence and the substance of the universe as proof of God could be said to be proof Of God. The ability to question whether or not you have a soul as evidence of its existence if you will.

 

[Dee]

To my answer.

The very nature of GOD demands that His (I hate using the neutral pronoun for the Deity) Existence have meaning. Evidently that requires us, to our good fortune, otherwise, this conversation would be much shorter.

Our existence would be meaningless without that essential part of ourselves that we call 'soul' continuing beyond our own mortality. Without God, that continuation would be as meaningless as our existence without it would be.

The fact that we have free will and are able to choose whether or not we accept the evidence of our own existence and the substance of the universe as proof of God could be said to be proof Of God. The ability to question whether or not you have a soul as evidence of its existence if you will.

...is one explanation, but not always the right one for everyone. I know plenty of people whose existence is meaningless.

 

[michonne]

...is one explanation, but not always the right one for everyone. I know plenty of people whose existence is meaningless.

Sweetie, that's your opinion.....you can't judge a mans worth without walking a mile in his shoes....we can never know what circumstances have shaped a person into what they are......judge them and choose to walk away from them....but you have not lived their lives so saying people's exsistance is meaningless is short sighted in my humble opinion.....js