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Does Iran Pose An Existential Threat To Western Civilization?

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....yes, Iran does pose a threat to Western civilization; here's why:
(American Thinker) We are living through historic times – and perilous times. However, the leaders of the Western world are oblivious to the imminence of the dangers as Islamic fundamentalism takes hold on every continent in the world. While the focus since 9/11 has been on al Qaeda and its spin-off ISIS, the greatest danger to the Western world is Iran -- a country that, with a wink and a nod from the U.S., is on the precipice of becoming a nuclear hegemon.

Iran is the world’s largest sponsor of international terrorism, killing Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan and threatening pro-American regimes across the region. Its warships are expanding their movement in regional waters and cruising to Venezuela. Its aggression in Yemen, Lebanon, Iraq, and Syria has succeeded in causing vast regional instability and violence. And Iran does not simply seek regional hegemony –- it seeks global domination as it develops ballistic missiles capable of hitting the U.S.

The Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ Reuel Marc Gerecht reasoned, “The regime’s Holocaust [denial] rhetoric ought to signal to us that Iran’s clerical overlord lives in an alternate reality, where good and evil are reinterpreted if not reversed. …Modern Westerners… have a hard time dealing with a ‘clash of civilizations’ based on faith. Mr. Khamenei and his men have no such problem.”

We are now facing a clash of civilizations of the highest magnitude that goes to the very survival of the civilized world. Unfortunately, the Mideast policy emanating from Washington is based on ignorance regarding the causes of the conflict, history of the region, and religious motivations causing the violence. Obama refuses to acknowledge that the U.S. is engaged in a war against a totalitarian Islamic enemy and a fight for freedom worldwide.

John Bolton penned a book entitled Surrender is Not an Option and yet Obama is waving the white flag and shrinking away from a fight that is surely winnable if only he had the fortitude. What we have actually learned is that diplomacy is not an option. From Putin and Assad to the Mullahs, Western leadership is no longer feared -- it is laughed at.

Obama’s policies of retreat and appeasement are taking America down the road to catastrophe and ironically, may very well lead to war. His decision to weaken what was historically a strong US/Israel alliance, coupled with his extensive measures to prevent Israel from conducting a unilateral strike against Iran while simultaneously aiding Iran in obtaining nuclear weapons, may actually leave Israel no other choice than to strike -- alone.

Iran is emboldened. It continues to build nuclear weapons intended to destroy Israel while now developing international business relationships with countries worldwide. It continues to arm Syria’s Assad, Lebanon’s Hizb’allah and Hamas in Gaza. Imagine if it obtained nuclear weapons.

It is apparent that world powers have moved from a policy of preventing a nuclear Iran to a policy of containment. No one believes that Obama will act militarily. His actions prove otherwise. He began his presidency with an outstretched arm to Iran’s maniacal dictator, Ahmadinejad. He failed to support Iran’s freedom-fighting Green Movement in 2009 ending any immediate hope of regime change. And while Obama promised to produce “biting” international sanctions, in reality he wasted months preventing their passage and ultimately watered them down with waivers.

Obama tied the Israeli/Palestinian conflict to Iran, declaring that any action by the U.S. to stop Iran would be dependent upon Israeli concessions, continuing the “Blame Israel” mantra for a lack of peace. And despite the 40-year-old policy of prior U.S. presidents, Obama took the unprecedented step of internationally outing Israel’s nuclear capability, signing onto a Non-Proliferation Treaty resolution that calls for Israel to renounce nuclear weapons, permit inspections, and agree to sign onto the NPT.

Charles Krauthammer called Obama’s secret interim agreement with Iran “a sham from beginning to end” and “the worst deal since Munich.” Obama is allowing the Iranians -- the people who stand in the streets screaming “Death to America,” ruled by a government that attempted to blow up a restaurant in D.C. -- to have nuclear weapons, signing international agreements that will slow their development to a date beyond his departure from office. With the latest news that a final agreement will include a sunset clause bringing Iran into the nuclear club perhaps ten years hence, Krauthammer concluded, “We are on the cusp of an epic capitulation. History will not be kind.”

The only way to stop Iran is with the threat of military pre-emption. Which means it will likely be left to the Israelis to save the West. Israelis live with the knowledge that Iran poses an existential threat and unlike Americans, they take it seriously. Just as Hitler laid out in Mein Kampf prior to coming to power his plans to annihilate the Jews, the Mullahs have made perfectly clear their intentions. Having survived thousands of years of attempts at eradication, Israelis understand that history will repeat itself if they do not protect themselves.

What could happen if Israel does not preemptively strike Iran?
--Iran could nuke Israel resulting in the instant death of millions of Israelis.
--Israel could simply be destroyed by the emigration of fearful citizens fleeing from the continued threat of annihilation.
--The strategic balance of power in the Mideast will forever change, inspiring Islamist movements and expanding Muslim fundamentalism across the region.
--Iran will provide a nuclear umbrella for its terrorist proxies to continue their jihad without fear of reprisal.
--The proliferation of Iranian nuclear weapons globally is likely.
An arms race in the Mideast would result in the Saudis, Turks, and Egyptians racing to arm themselves.
--Global gas prices will soar as Iran holds the world hostage.


But is Israel capable of successfully destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities? While the world waits for Israel to save the West, it ignores the reality of what is required in order to take out Iran’s installations or at least set the program back for several years, buying time for regime change.

To date, the Obama administration has done everything in its power to prevent Israel from striking and to make a successful strike close to impossible. There are reports that not only has the US diverted arms shipments destined for Israel, but Obama has refused to sell Israel certain fighter jets, Apache helicopters, rearmaments, and most importantly, the bunker busters required to destroy all of Iran’s underground installations.

Furthermore, in response to Obama’s pro-Palestinian advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski’s suggestion that the U.S. shoot down Israeli war planes flying over Iraqi airspace, a cadet asked the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff if he could be ordered to do just that, shoot down an Israeli jet. Admiral Mullen evaded a direct response, leaving open the possibility. And as outrageous as that seems, there are new reports that Obama, upon learning of Israel’s plans to execute an attack in 2014, did in fact threaten to shoot down Israeli jets.

But, if Israel does undertake an airstrike on Iran's nuclear facilities, what can we expect in the aftermath:
--Israel will face increased terror attacks and major strikes from Iran's stockpile of conventional weapons.
--Hamas and Hizb’allah will attack from Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria with their tens of thousands of missiles.
--The U.S. will see increased attacks at interests worldwide and possibly at home.
Gas prices will skyrocket as Iran wreaks havoc in the Straits of Hormuz through which oil tankers must pass.
--And if its response during this summer’s Operation Protective Edge is any indication, Obama will not assist Israel militarily with rearmament of lost and destroyed arms and equipment and will not support her after the fact with necessary arms to protect from a retaliatory strike. If past threats and recent dialogue are any indication, Obama will not stand up for Israel on the international stage and before the UN, which will condemn the act and impose sanctions. Nor will he defend Israel in the face of international condemnation and speak out in support of Israel's right to preemptively attack Iran in order to ensure her survival.


Now, more than ever, it is crucial that Americans, and especially American Jews, understand Mideast policy and attain moral clarity, supporting Israel in the face of irrational and hateful attacks on her. American Jews have a responsibility to help Israel’s survival by speaking out against American policies that may very well lead to another Holocaust and maintaining unconditional support of Israel in order to offset the damage done by Obama’s policies.

If not Americans, who will stand up and protect Israel? And without Israel, Jews will have no safe haven, no place where they are truly welcome, and God's chosen people living in the U.S. will be partly responsible for the eventual demise of their Israeli brethren.

But the Western world will also face mortal danger as a result. Obama ignores that no matter America’s relationship with Israel, “the Little Satan,” the U.S. always has and will be “the Great Satan.” Maintaining America’s strategic relationship with Israel is crucial to both of our countries’ national security. For once Israel is no longer on the front lines, the nuclear-armed fanatics will turn their attention to infidels the world over. Ignoring that will be Obama’s legacy, which is why he poses an existential threat to the West’s survival.

Thoughts?
 
or a better question is, does the western world or the usa pose a threat to the world that doesn't agree with the usa and/or the western world? :|
 
+Justice said:
or a better question is, does the western world or the usa pose a threat to the world that doesn't agree with the usa and/or the western world? :|

That's skirting the issue at hand, Justice; no one's asking that question...nice deflection, though. FWIW, I could care less whether the rest of the world agrees w/either the U.S. or the West in general; last time I checked, the threats were coming from the other side of the world, not ours.
 
Webster said:
+Justice said:
or a better question is, does the western world or the usa pose a threat to the world that doesn't agree with the usa and/or the western world? :|

That's skirting the issue at hand, Justice; no one's asking that question...nice deflection, though. FWIW, I could care less whether the rest of the world agrees w/either the U.S. or the West in general; last time I checked[img=10x10]http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png[/img], the threats were coming from the other side of the world, not ours.


those threats? only your opinion if they were threats or not...

and last time i checked more non americans claim that america is the biggest bully and terror machine in the world, yet you claim a small chunk of the world and put all the blame on one area on earth...

also, all of mankind are not innocent, from all murder and bloodshed, some might think it's justified but the other usually don't... being one-sided is just basically blinding yourself, no one man is promised anything nor earth or land on it... no one man is above and no one man is above the truth...

and last time i checked i don't deflect, i dive right all in with it... ;)

in the name of truth and justice... :cool:
 
The only threat Iran poses to Western civilization is showing that western civilization is omniscient. It would take a nuclear arsenal the size of the USSR's or United States to be any kind of threat to western civ, Iran getting 1 isn't going to end the world, mutually assured destruction guarantees that.
 
Hang on... I thought Iraq was the biggest threat... No wait, Russia... No hang on N Korea.... No wait ... ISIS ....
Why does everyone hate the West so much???? We are the good guys :)
 
seasidemike said:
Hang on... I thought Iraq was the biggest threat... No wait, Russia... No hang on N Korea.... No wait ... ISIS ....
Why does everyone hate the West so much???? We are the good guys :)

that's only the personal belief of someone that's living in the western world, doesn't make it true...

and "the good guys" could be fighters that fight against invaders of their lands to protect their innocent family?

all groups, countries and society kill each other... wars aren't any different outcome either...

but who are you to tell them that they are terrorists for fighting for their homes and family while at the same time calling them the bad guys and you the good guys?

who really has the most blood on their hands? :|
 
seasidemike said:
Hang on... I thought Iraq was the biggest threat... No wait, Russia... No hang on N Korea.... No wait ... ISIS ....
Why does everyone hate the West so much???? We are the good guys :)

I mean the West had a hand in creating all of those so...
 
The Supreme King said:
seasidemike said:
Hang on... I thought Iraq was the biggest threat... No wait, Russia... No hang on N Korea.... No wait ... ISIS ....
Why does everyone hate the West so much???? We are the good guys :)

I mean the West had a hand in creating all of those so...

the usa likes to either keep or get an toe or foot and even a hand in every country and their governments... all the secret missions, federal and military government on foreign soil... and there's a history record of them doing it a lot in the past too...
 
The Onion actually has an article about this. What do you guys think?

TEHRAN—Amidst mounting geopolitical tensions, Iranian officials said Wednesday they were increasingly concerned about the United States of America's uranium-enrichment program, fearing the Western nation may soon be capable of producing its 8,500th nuclear weapon. "Our intelligence estimates indicate that, if it is allowed to progress with its aggressive nuclear program, the United States may soon possess its 8,500th atomic weapon capable of reaching Iran," said Iranian foreign minister Ali Akbar Salehi, adding that Americans have the fuel, the facilities, and "everything they need" to manufacture even more weapons-grade fissile material. "Obviously, the prospect of this happening is very distressing to Iran and all countries like Iran. After all, the United States is a volatile nation that's proven it needs little provocation to attack anyone anywhere in the world whom it perceives to be a threat." Iranian intelligence experts also warned of the very real, and very frightening, possibility of the U.S. providing weapons and resources to a rogue third-party state such as Israel.
[Source]
 
seasidemike said:
Hang on... I thought Iraq was the biggest threat... No wait, Russia... No hang on N Korea.... No wait ... ISIS ....
Why does everyone hate the West so much???? We are the good guys :)

They are also thats why so many believe ww3 is around the corner.

But of course Iran is a big danger to the world with nukes and it looks like the only country that is going to have the balls to something about it is Israel. It wont be a missile with a nuke on it from Iran that we need to worry about. It is Iran loading a nuke on a ship and setting it off in some western country or off the coast of Israel. Or some other convert way to get a nuke in some western border the Iranians hate.
 
All I'm gonna say is, I wisah I could fast forward 150-200 years into the future and read a History book.
The West are NOT going to look like the good guys. Trust me.
 
identityissues8 said:
All I'm gonna say is, I wisah I could fast forward 150-200 years into the future and read a History book.
The West are NOT going to look like the good guys. Trust me.

Depends.

History is written by the winners.
 
DrLeftover said:
identityissues8 said:
All I'm gonna say is, I wisah I could fast forward 150-200 years into the future and read a History book.
The West are NOT going to look like the good guys. Trust me.

Depends.

History is written by the winners.

*looks back and forth between Doc & II8* Doc's right, Identity...history is written by the victors and God help us if the crazy-ass mullahs in Iran write it 'cause all of us would suffer as a result.
 
We've been doomed to repeat history for the whole of our history. And the PAST is a great indication for how terribly many countries have and will fuck up in the future. We are not the greatest country in the world, far from it. I'm not quite sure how our future will turn out, though, considering we're living under the guise of it being free and offering the "American Dream".
 

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